Pontic Greek Gedmatch results

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Originally Posted by -Scar-

The contribution of Venetians, Goths and Franks is one digit percentage so most of the 35% comes from Slavs.

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Dude even if Franks,Goths and Venetians would have left only low admixture it doesn't prove that the 35%-30% is from Slavs
There is more to Greece and its history than only Slavs and som Franks,Venetians,Goths
I personally don't mind Slavic influence in Greeks or try to claim that it doesn't exist but its the most overrated thing here on anthroboards
i have seen.

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On the other hand what is considered Myceaneans is actually Paleo-Ballakanic to large extend, even though Thracians had their own differences they were still more similar to Ionian Greeks than most modern population expect for Sicilians, but most of it comes from ancient Greeks at least in Peloponnese.

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Dude i don't know what you are talking about or want to prove to me, Greeks are much older entity than you Albos if Albanians plot so close to Greeks and Mycanaeans maybe you should ask how much influence or ancestry you may have from Greeks because there were no such people as Albos who spoke Albanian in your region prior to the Medieval

Note that you don't plot only close to Greeks but also to various Italians for that matter
Even Sicilians are not that much far off from you

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Originally Posted by SuperDorian

Dude even if Franks,Goths and Venetians would have left only low admixture it doesn't prove that the 35%-30% is from Slavs
There is more to Greece and its history than only Slavs and som Franks,Venetians,Goths
I personally don't mind Slavic influence in Greeks or try to claim that it doesn't exist but its the most overrated thing here on anthroboards
i have seen.





Dude i don't know what you are talking about or want to prove to me, Greeks are much older entity than you Albos if Albanians plot so close to Greeks and Mycanaeans maybe you should ask how much influence or ancestry you may have from Greeks because there were no such people as Albos who spoke Albanian in your region prior to the Medieval

Note that you don't plot only close to Greeks but also to various Italians for that matter
Even Sicilians are not that much far off from you

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In my opinion most of that 35% comes from Slavs I could be wrong. Simple as that.

The peoples living today around the Mediterranean Sea are all related, after thousands of years of intermittently attacking and loving each other, a new genetic study has unsurprisingly shown. However, the data from the international team of scientists found a startling exception: mainland Greeks, who seem to be genetically closer to Albanians than to their brethren in the Greek islands.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.haa...ages-1.5489323

Its Albanians who are close to Greeks and Italians not the other way around

Albanians are closest to Tuscans and Central Italians
Most Mainland Greeks to Central till South Italians and Greek Islanders to South Italians and Sicilians

The Sarno study to which the article this clown posted refers doesn't contradict what i have said here^

Why would the mainland Greeks have gained such strong genetic affiliation with the Balkans? Population expansions during the Middle Ages, suggest the scientists, noting the Slavic migrations.

Its bullshit Albos are the only Balkan group which is noteable close to the Mainland Greeks now why
are both so close to Italians?

Whats true is that before the Medieval and some additional migrations of Balkan people into Greece Mainland Greeks would have been
even much closer to Greek Islanders but not all Balkan people who came to Greece were Slavs

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Originally Posted by SuperDorian

Its Albanians who are close to Greeks and Italians not the other way around

Albanians are closest to Tuscans and Central Italians
Most Mainland Greeks to Central till South Italians and Greek Islanders to South Italians and Sicilians

The Sarno study to which the article this clown posted refers doesn't contradict what i have said here^

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But having similar admixture is not good evidence of being related in the way that you are saying. If that was the case then European Jews, who cluster with southern Italians, are actually closely related to southern Italians? It's not necessarily true, genetic distance is a great tool but the issue in this region is that for all of us our major component is Early European Farmer, and exists in similar %, and that's why our distance to eachother is still low, no matter how we are shifted in various ways.

The study shows that through IBD sharing, which shows which groups share actual DNA with other groups (thus if there's actual recent genetic relationship), mainland Greeks and Albanians are relatives to each other, and not relatives to Greek islanders. Meanwhile, southern Italians, Greek islanders and Cypriots all IBD share with each other, which show they are related genetically.

Unfortunately, there aren't many possible other reasons for why this is the case, other than recent demographic events, which are highly likely as shown in scientific studies such as this one.

Now, you have people here denying reality, and coming up with conspiracies like they were shifted by Dorians much earlier. As I said before, Cretans and Dodecanese were both Dorian, and we don't have this high steppe admixture, and our major haplogroup is J2, not E-V13. So how do you explain those facts if the genetic shift occured earlier than Slavic invasion?

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Originally Posted by -Scar-

I am sorry to burst your bubble but the Frankish and Venetian contribution is very miminal compared to Slavic one.
Peloponnesians can be modelled as 65% Myceaneans and 35% Medieval Slavic. Early Slavs were similar to northern Slavs but not indentical because Northern Slavs have some Baltic and Germanic Admixture.
Given the fact that Albanians were 90% similar to Peloponnesians Greeks before entering Peloponnese it safe to assume that most of that 35% comes from Slavs themselves.

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You don't burst any bubble as you obviously have no idea about the specific issue. At least one official published study has not spotted more than 15% Slavic admixture in peloponnese, so posting 30% and other similar percentages which hardly apply for northern Greece won't change reality

And where did i say that Frankish was above Slavic? Even if northwestern components are higher than northeastern components in most of Greece unlike balkans where noetheastern components dominates (let alone autosomal distances, with peloponnese being closer to central Italy than ANY Balkan region or country) i will give to slavs the most admixture

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Originally Posted by AncientGreek

But having similar admixture is not good evidence of being related in the way that you are saying. If that was the case then European Jews, who cluster with southern Italians, are actually closely related to southern Italians? It's not necessarily true, genetic distance is a great tool but the issue in this region is that for all of us our major component is Early European Farmer, and exists in similar %, and that's why our distance to eachother is still low, no matter how we are shifted in various ways.

The study shows that through IBD sharing, which shows which groups share actual DNA with other groups (thus if there's actual recent genetic relationship), mainland Greeks and Albanians are relatives to each other, and not relatives to Greek islanders. Meanwhile, southern Italians, Greek islanders and Cypriots all IBD share with each other, which show they are related genetically.

Unfortunately, there aren't many possible other reasons for why this is the case, other than recent demographic events, which are highly likely as shown in scientific studies such as this one.

Now, you have people here denying reality, and coming up with conspiracies like they were shifted by Dorians much earlier. As I said before, Cretans and Dodecanese were both Dorian, and we don't have this high steppe admixture, and our major haplogroup is J2, not E-V13. So how do you explain those facts if the genetic shift occured earlier than Slavic invasion?

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Ev13 is not Slavic nor Dorian, both Slavs and dorians and all indoeuropeans were STEPPE people autistic dumb, their non ie admixture comes from native people assimilation and steppe people COULD NOT be ev13, only R1 subclades are related to indoeuropean people

Nobody here denies the slavic among other (this other unavoidably includes later steppe Hellenic immigrations like dorians who brought fresh steppe admixture) contributions to mainland Greek dna (southern half of which is closer to central Italy than to albania or balkans, after all) this slavic contribution makes the difference between mainland Greece and northern shifted islands like lesvos, Cyclades, southern Ionian islands etc and if anybody denied the Slavic impact you could at least quote him

It's rather you the one who denies the fact that also an EXTRA levantine input that never existed in the mainland has always existed in dodecanese and is reflected in the difference between dodecanese and more northern shifted islands, at least that's all i say so far, otherwise Rhodes wouldn't have a single difference from lesvos, samothraki, naxos paros etc, but as you likely know it does plot southeast of them, even all of these islands dont have any recent exchange with the mainland recorded.

And also the one who tries to convince us that original dorians were j2 as if the came right from the middle east, and that north African originated ev13 is Slavic

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Originally Posted by brennus dux gallorum

Ev13 is not Slavic nor Dorian, both Slavs and dorians and all indoeuropeans were STEPPE people autistic dumb, their non ie admixture comes from native people assimilation and steppe people COULD NOT be ev13, only R1 subclades are related to indoeuropean people

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Originally Posted by brennus dux gallorum

Ev13 is not Slavic nor Dorian, both Slavs and dorians and all indoeuropeans were STEPPE people autistic dumb, their non ie admixture comes from native people assimilation and steppe people COULD NOT be ev13, only R1 subclades are related to indoeuropean people

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No the Dorians were Greek people and most probably a genetic mix of Neolithic-Paleolithic Greek-some Caucasus/North Iran and some Steppe/Yamnaya like the other Greeks they were not Steppe people themselves.

I agree Slavs were not EV13 but he is referring to South Slavs who would have had already EV13 admixture
He claims there was a mass intrusion or invasion of South Slavs into Mainland Greece lol