Gedmatch calculators on Vahaduo

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Originally Posted by Dušan

How would you explain that I can be modeled closest with this sample, than with tens and tens Ukrainian, Polish, Russian, Belarussian regional averages?
Accidently or not?

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I think it may not be a coincidence. Of course I believe Sorbs are remnants of white Serbs who migrated to Balkans and founded Serbian state. So it's very nice you get modeled with Sorb like sample among all others offered.

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Originally Posted by Dušan

It is really fascinating how autosomal genetics can trace old historical migration.
I can be modeled with other northern Slavs, but neither combination give such close distance as these combinations with sample from todays eastern Germany.
With this, it is proven that historical records about white Serbs in todays eastern Germany is not a myth.

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This woman will likely have loads of Sorb ancestry farther back and she has also very Slavic-like genetics. I just opposed mingeling knowledge and assumptions already in the labeling (which then hides to users what is what).

What you tell is admittedly intriguing. But before drawing final conclusions: Does this apply when modelling other Serbs too?

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Originally Posted by rothaer

This woman will likely have loads of Sorb ancestry farther back and she has also very Slavic-like genetics. I just opposed mingeling knowledge and assumptions already in the labeling (which then hides for users what is what).

What you tell is admittedly intriguing. But before drawing final conclusions: Does this apply when modelling other Serbs too?

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I should check, I dont know.
For example, user vbnetkhio has this model for sure, since we have very simmilar K13 results.

But, maybe it is coincidence.
With further development of autosomal genetics in future, we will find out and descover new facts.

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Originally Posted by Dušan

I should check, I dont know.
For example, user vbnetkhio has this model for sure, since we have very simmilar K13 results.

But, maybe it is coincidence.
With further development of autosomal genetics in future, we will find out and descover new facts.

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I'm curious and do not oppose whatever find.

Just this thought: If such a connection is not just true, but also is visible in such a way, wouldn't that presuppose that White Serbs have something that distinguish them from neighboring Slavic tribes?

It's not impossible. But in that case it should be something specific, not harbored in other Slavic tribes. And after we model in K13, that specificity should also express in K13 values.

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Originally Posted by rothaer

I'm curious and do not oppose whatever find.

Just this thought: If such a connection is not just true, but also is visible in such a way, wouldn't that presuppose that White Serbs have something that distinguish them from neighboring Slavic tribes?

It's not impossible. But in that case it should be something specific, not harbored in other Slavic tribes. And after we model in K13, that specificity should also express in K13 values.

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The Brandenburg result looks looks very similar to Ukrainian and Eastern Polish averages, except 2% of the Baltic is moved into West Med.

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Please replace Bosniak average with the following ones:

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Bosniak,24.88,32.47,15.40,8.91,13.89,1.77,0.79,0.51,0.57,0.47,0.26,0.02,0.06
Bosniak_Central_Northeast,25.73,35.04,14.18,8.58,12.19,1.26,0.98,0.31,0.62,0.60,0.25,0.16,0.10
Bosniak_Krajina_East,25.43,33.89,15.88,9.11,11.04,2.17,0.44,0.41,0.17,0.92,0.30,0.18,0.08
Bosniak_Krajina_West,27.62,30.59,15.24,8.49,14.98,0.74,0.11,0.45,0.27,0.73,0.64,0.12,0.02
Bosniak_Southeast,24.67,30.37,16.69,8.45,15.57,1.96,0.64,0.38,0.30,0.50,0.31,0.17,0.00

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Credit goes to Vbnethkio, who made them.

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Something doesn't add up with the Bosniak national average - 3/4 regional averages have NA >25, one even >27 while national has <25? Which Canton's are included for each regional average?

These regional averages give Bosniak,25.86,32.47,15.50,8.66,13.45,1.53,0.54,0.3 9,0.34,0.69,0.38,0.16,0.05

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Originally Posted by rothaer

Yes, because you tricked Davidski and withheld the information

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Dude stop your Nazi-like unsubstantiated slanders, I presented all the facts I knew about this sample to Davidski.

I also sent to Davidski what Sven had told me (exact quote).

And I even asked David to double-check this sample with his methods of genetic analyses, to confirm "Sorbianness".

Davidski checked IBD sharing between this sample and academic Sorbs.

But he said these academic Sorbs cannot be added to G25.

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Originally Posted by MoroLP

Something doesn't add up with the Bosniak national average - 3/4 regional averages have NA >25, one even >27 while national has <25? Which Canton's are included for each regional average?

These regional averages give Bosniak,25.86,32.47,15.50,8.66,13.45,1.53,0.54,0.3 9,0.34,0.69,0.38,0.16,0.05

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Because it isn't calculated from these new averages, it's the old academic average, which are regionally mixed Bosniaks from Sarajevo.

Your calculation shows it's pretty close to the truth, with some minor variations. But Bosniak Sandzak should also be added, and they should be weighed by population size.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

Because it isn't calculated from these new averages, it's the old academic average, which are regionally mixed Bosniaks from Sarajevo.

Your calculation shows it's pretty close to the truth, with some minor variations. But Bosniak Sandzak should also be added, and they should be weighed by population size.

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But what's the point of naming and having it as Bosniak if Bosniak isn't calculated using regional averages? Currently, we have two-three Bosniak national averages. It is confusing. Of course, the national average should be weighted by regional population size. Hence we need to know which Canton samples are included in each regional average.

Bosniak Sandzak shouldn't be added to the Bosniak average, they aren't very related to the Bosniaks from BiH. Speak a different dialect and with different genetics actually are Serbianized-Bosniakized Albanians. We need a clear Bosniak average for BiH like in scientific papers.

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Originally Posted by Tomenable

Dude stop your Nazi-like unsubstantiated slanders (…)

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That specifically nationalsocialists are connected to unsubstantiated slanders is another interesting oddball opinion.

You did not unveil to Davidski that the testee was an ethnic German with only ethnic German ancestors the last 200 years.