Eurogenes Biogeographic Ancestry Project

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Originally Posted by alzo zero

Most IT's in Eurogenes are from Sicily and the South so that is not an accurate national average.

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It appears his IT average is coming from samples with the IDs of IT that submitted their data. I don’t know where they’re all from, but many are from the south. There are 26 of them, and that’s a lot compared to only seven Germans. It looks it excludes the reference data of the Tuscans (TSI) and North Italians. The fact that IT shows closer to Greek probably means you’re right, and that they’re mostly from the south. I know most of the Germans are from the northern and/or eastern parts, and that can’t represent the average German which explains the Polish at 0.26946.

My K=5 results:
0% Finnish
21.9% Western European
29.8% Southern Baltic
33.6% North Russian
14.7% North Sea

PT

UK 0,271365
FR 0,271421
ES 0,271429
BASQUE 0,271507
SARDINIAN 0,27156
DE 0,27164
N-ITALIAN 0,27186
TSI 0,27189
IE 0,27191
GR 0,27204



Closer to Brits than to Spaniards?? :lol:

A new analysis about "Asian" genetic ancestry in Northern Europeans:

http://bga101.blogspot.com/2011/05/a...-northern.html

http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/6180/mdsoriginal.png

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Key: AM = Armenia, AT = Austria, BE = Belgium, BY = Belarus, DE = Germany, DK = Denmark, EE = Estonia, FI = Finland, GE = Georgia, IE = Ireland, IR = Iran, KZ = Kazakhstan, LT = Lithuania, NL = Netherlands, NO = Norway, PL = Poland, RU = Russia, SE = Sweden, TR = Turkey, UA = Ukraine, UK = United Kingdom, UZ = Uzbekistan.

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I think it is worth to note that Central Asia has a significant Europid component, largely with Eastern European and West Asian relations.

So that some Russians go towards Central Asia is to me less of a secure marker for a Mongoloid tendency, than the tendency towards North East and North Asia.

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Originally Posted by Agrippa

So that some Russians go towards Central Asia is to me less of a secure marker for a Mongoloid tendency, than the tendency towards North East and North Asia.

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Aye, the pull being to the pre-mongoloid substratum (Iranian-speaking) that is found in metis there with Turkic and Mongol elements.

Somebody needs to go and test the peasants around places like Alaincourt and Sermoiselles (Alans and Sarmatians) in France, to see if any peculiar R1a haplogroups pop up there, far from their home on the Steppes. ;)

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Originally Posted by Agrippa

http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/6180/mdsoriginal.png

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Why is the gap between west Asians & north Europeans so big in Polako's MDS plot? I always thought the two were very close to eachother.

Like this:

http://i56.tinypic.com/640xl5.jpg
http://i52.tinypic.com/97uyde.jpg

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...al_Eurasia.png

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Originally Posted by Bastarnae

Why is the gap between west Asians & north Europeans so big in Polako's MDS plot? I always thought the two were very close to eachother.

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You did not read the plots' scales.

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Originally Posted by Agrippa

http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/6180/mdsoriginal.png

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To make sense of the axes, here I graphically edited for equalized axes aspect ratio to 1:1. Scaling algorithm does something to the grid lines, but the relative position of the points are correct.

http://i.imgur.com/3GIIz.png

Haven't done this test yet, where do I get started?

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Originally Posted by Agrippa

A new analysis about "Asian" genetic ancestry in Northern Europeans:

Spoiler!

http://bga101.blogspot.com/2011/05/a...-northern.html

http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/6180/mdsoriginal.png

I think it is worth to note that Central Asia has a significant Europid component, largely with Eastern European and West Asian relations.

So that some Russians go towards Central Asia is to me less of a secure marker for a Mongoloid tendency, than the tendency towards North East and North Asia.

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At the same time, I have to point out that Northern-Asia/Siberia has a significant Europid component through the Finno-Ugric expansion into Northern-Asia/Siberia, from Europe. This is visible in their genetic heritage even now, thus Finns pull towards North-Asia because of 2 reasons: 1. North-Asians have ancient European/Finno-Ugric ancestry. 2. Some Finns have Saami, thus Samoyedic, thus Siberian ancestry.