South Slavic & neighbours gedmatch results - vol.2

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Originally Posted by Dušan

Differences are minimal.

There are much bigger regional differences among Croats - Herzegovinians (like member Insuperable) cluster with Serbs, and NortWest kajkavian Croats (like member ph2ter) are in same cluster with Czechs!

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Claim 11: Serbs are all the same, regardless of whether we live in Serbia or not

Slavic Chronicles uses data from the Serbian DNA Project to conclude that Serbs from Bosnia or Croatia are around 81.5% similar to those from Serbia. So are Serbians more similar to regular Croats than to Serbs in Croatia?



There’s an interesting explanation on offer. The areas within Bosnia and Croatia where Serbs were tested for DNA coincided with the areas that Serbs first settled in the Balkans during the 7th-10th centuries, namely Rascia (modern-day Bosnia and modern-day Raška region in Serbia) and three quarters of what is now Dalmatia.

When Serbs moved to modern day Serbia they (eventually) mingled with the existing inhabitants and adopted more of their Balkan traits. In the meantime, the gene pool of these Serbs within Bosnia and Croatia stayed closer to that older migration.

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Originally Posted by Dušan

Differences are minimal.

There are much bigger regional differences among Croats - Herzegovinians (like member Insuperable) cluster with Serbs, and NortWest kajkavian Croats (like member ph2ter) are in same cluster with Czechs!

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I do think Serbs are more homogenous than Croats, data shows that. However, Montenegrins and Bosnian Serbs are far from identical.
And you should be more honest when using people - both are cherrypicked.

Anđelko clusters with Czechs before Zagorje Croat average and Insuperable does not cluster with Herzegovina Croat average but rather with Montenegrins based on what he said about his genetic results.

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Originally Posted by Milenko

Found it, im just goda copy paste the text

Slavic Chronicles uses data from the Serbian DNA Project to conclude that Serbs from Bosnia or Croatia are around 81.5% similar to those from Serbia. So are Serbians more similar to regular Croats than to Serbs in Croatia?


Claim 11: Serbs are all the same, regardless of whether we live in Serbia or not

Slavic Chronicles uses data from the Serbian DNA Project to conclude that Serbs from Bosnia or Croatia are around 81.5% similar to those from Serbia. So are Serbians more similar to regular Croats than to Serbs in Croatia?
There’s an interesting explanation on offer. The areas within Bosnia and Croatia where Serbs were tested for DNA coincided with the areas that Serbs first settled in the Balkans during the 7th-10th centuries, namely Rascia (modern-day Bosnia and modern-day Raška region in Serbia) and three quarters of what is now Dalmatia.

When Serbs moved to modern day Serbia they (eventually) mingled with the existing inhabitants and adopted more of their Balkan traits. In the meantime, the gene pool of these Serbs within Bosnia and Croatia stayed closer to that older migration.

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Similarity is 90%.
And bolded is what I said, where was early medieval Serbia.

The other thing is that today there are huge number of marriages of Serbs from different regions. Nearly all my cousins who got married in last 30 years, married with local Serbs from Serbia.
So these little differences will be gone in next generation.

I would like to there be promotion by government of these marriages east-west, north-south etc, so all differences disapeare in one generation.

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Originally Posted by Milenko

and three quarters of what is now Dalmatia.

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Serbs never settled 3/4 of modern Dalmatia lmao, they are only said to settle southern Dalmatia. Rascia was not Bosnia. But it says Bosnia (not in modern sense) was part of Serbia.
Those claims are disputed, as political rule does not equal origin of population and there were other Slavic tribes in the area besides Serbs and Croats.
For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narentines

Prince of Zahumlje claims his origins from Vistula river and white Serbs never dwelt there.

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According to DAI, Zahumlje was one of the regions settled by the Serbs from an area near Thessaloniki previously arrived there from White Serbia but Tibor Živković and Neven Budak consider that a closer reading of the source suggests that the Constantine VII's consideration about the region population ethnic identity is based on Serbian political rule and does not indicate ethnic origin. According to Živković, the area of the Vistula where the ancestors of Michael of Zahumlje originate was the place where White Croats would be expected and not White Serbs. Much of Dalmatia was sometime earlier settled by the Croats, and Zahumlje bordered their territory on the north. The historical work Historia Salonitana by Thomas the Archdeacon, when describing the reign of Croatian king Stephen Držislav in the late 10th century, notes that Duchy of Hum (Zachlumia or Chulmie) was a part of the Kingdom of Croatia, before and after Stjepan Držislav.

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Originally Posted by Dušan

The other thing is that today there are huge number of marriages of Serbs from different regions. Nearly all my cousins who got married in last 30 years, married with local Serbs from Serbia.
So these little differences will be gone in next generation.

I would like to there be promotion by government of these marriages east-west, north-south etc, so all differences disapeare in one generation.

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Is Belgrade already thoroughly mixed?

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Originally Posted by Leto

Is Belgrade already thoroughly mixed?

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Completly.

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Originally Posted by Dušan

Completly.

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And what are your thoughts on absorption/assimilation of minorities in Serbia?

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Serbs never settled 3/4 of modern Dalmatia lmao, they are only said to settle southern Dalmatia. Rascia was not Bosnia. But it says Bosnia (not in modern sense) was part of Serbia.
Those claims are disputed, as political rule does not equal origin of population and there were other Slavic tribes in the area besides Serbs and Croats.
For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narentines

Prince of Zahumlje claims his origins from Vistula river and white Serbs never dwelt there.

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Everything in are region is disputed, Croatia says one thing, Serbia says one thing, Bosna say another, then there is with in a country people say more things, thing is even if one side would have all the proof the other would never rocognize it, I think its healty we have this discussions, but I have hard time we will concvert each other, better maby just, take as many sampels as we can, build a map, and see what we get

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Originally Posted by Leto

And what are your thoughts on absorption/assimilation of minorities in Serbia?

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They should remain what they are, to preserve their ethnic identity, I have no problem with that.
I am so proud of some of our minorities, such as Slovaks, Rusyns, Hungarians, Romanans.
On some other less so.

Yes, there are mixed marriages with Serbs, so eventually some of them will be assimilated.

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Learn your place, eastern European. You don't have moral high ground.

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I do, deal with it.