Pontic Greek Gedmatch results

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by AncientGreek

But having similar admixture is not good evidence of being related in the way that you are saying. If that was the case then European Jews, who cluster with southern Italians, are actually closely related to southern Italians? It's not necessarily true, genetic distance is a great tool but the issue in this region is that for all of us our major component is Early European Farmer, and exists in similar %, and that's why our distance to eachother is still low, no matter how we are shifted in various ways.

---

Allow me to think that Greek Islanders and Mainlanders have more in common than Jews and Sicilians

Other than similar genetics they have common language,religion,culture,foods,history and ethnic identity as both were Greeks or Hellenic at least since the times of Homer.

Also history of Greek Islands and Mainland is closely interwoven from Ancient times throughout Byzantine till times of the revolutions and uprisings against the Ottoman empire

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by brennus dux gallorum

Ev13 is not Slavic nor Dorian, both Slavs and dorians and all indoeuropeans were STEPPE people autistic dumb, their non ie admixture comes from native people assimilation and steppe people COULD NOT be ev13, only R1 subclades are related to indoeuropean people

Nobody here denies the slavic among other (this other unavoidably includes later steppe Hellenic immigrations like dorians who brought fresh steppe admixture) contributions to mainland Greek dna (southern half of which is closer to central Italy than to albania or balkans, after all) this slavic contribution makes the difference between mainland Greece and northern shifted islands like lesvos, Cyclades, southern Ionian islands etc and if anybody denied the Slavic impact you could at least quote him

It's rather you the one who denies the fact that also an EXTRA levantine input that never existed in the mainland has always existed in dodecanese and is reflected in the difference between dodecanese and more northern shifted islands, at least that's all i say so far, otherwise Rhodes wouldn't have a single difference from lesvos, samothraki, naxos paros etc, but as you likely know it does plot southeast of them, even all of these islands dont have any recent exchange with the mainland recorded.

And also the one who tries to convince us that original dorians were j2 as if the came right from the middle east, and that north African originated ev13 is Slavic

---

Do I have to show you again?

https://i.imgur.com/our5MNM.png

E-V13 peaks in Albania and northern parts of Greece, thus I am suggesting it is related to Illyrians and maybe possibly Thracians. I never said it is related Slavs, but even Slavs (e.g. Ukrainians) have more E-V13 than Cretans, Dodecanese islanders and even southern Italians!

Also, where is your proof that Dorians came from the steppe? This is another conspiracy theory with zero evidence. Not to mention, the most common haplogroup amongst southern Pelapponese (for example, Maniots), is again J2! Are you saying that Maniots are not the closest thing we have to a Doric people? :wink

Also, your racism is pretty apparent every single post you make. You claimed earlier I am an assimilated Levantine, and keep making random stuff about Cretans and Dodecanese being extremely Levantine while you claim Greeks from antiquity came mostly from the steppe, which is absolutely false. Just like Indo-European Anatolians, Indo-European Greeks had hardly any steppe admixture! If you have any evidence this was the case, show it, but you can't because no such evidence exists!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SuperDorian

Allow me to think that Greek Islanders and Mainlanders have more in common than Jews and Sicilians

Other than similar genetics they have common language,religion,culture,foods,history and ethnic identity as both were Greeks or Hellenic at least since the times of Homer.

Also history of Greek Islands and Mainland is closely interwoven from Ancient times throughout Byzantine till times of the revolutions and uprisings against the Ottoman empire

---

We're clearly related, just that in more recent times mainlanders are closer to their northern neighbours as proven by IBD sharing. That doesn't mean we aren't related at all, it's more about recent relations. The main thing is also culture, I agree.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by AncientGreek

We're clearly related, just that in more recent times mainlanders are closer to their northern neighbours as proven by IBD sharing. That doesn't mean we aren't related at all, it's more about recent relations. The main thing is also culture, I agree.

---

Fuck their Northern neighbours!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by AncientGreek

Do I have to show you again?

https://i.imgur.com/our5MNM.png

E-V13 peaks in Albania and northern parts of Greece, thus I am suggesting it is related to Illyrians and maybe possibly Thracians. I never said it is related Slavs, but even Slavs (e.g. Ukrainians) have more E-V13 than Cretans, Dodecanese islanders and even southern Italians!

Also, where is your proof that Dorians came from the steppe? This is another conspiracy theory with zero evidence. Not to mention, the most common haplogroup amongst southern Pelapponese (for example, Maniots), is again J2! Are you saying that Maniots are not the closest thing we have to a Doric people? :wink

Also, your racism is pretty apparent every single post you make. You claimed earlier I am an assimilated Levantine, and keep making random stuff about Cretans and Dodecanese being extremely Levantine while you claim Greeks from antiquity came mostly from the steppe, which is absolutely false. Just like Indo-European Anatolians, Indo-European Greeks had hardly any steppe admixture! If you have any evidence this was the case, show it, but you can't because no such evidence exists!

---

The land of my grandfather is 5.56% of E-V13, nice.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by AncientGreek

Do I have to show you again?

https://i.imgur.com/our5MNM.png

E-V13 peaks in Albania and northern parts of Greece, thus I am suggesting it is related to Illyrians and maybe possibly Thracians. I never said it is related Slavs, but even Slavs (e.g. Ukrainians) have more E-V13 than Cretans, Dodecanese islanders and even southern Italians!

Also, where is your proof that Dorians came from the steppe? This is another conspiracy theory with zero evidence. Not to mention, the most common haplogroup amongst southern Pelapponese (for example, Maniots), is again J2! Are you saying that Maniots are not the closest thing we have to a Doric people? :wink

Also, your racism is pretty apparent every single post you make. You claimed earlier I am an assimilated Levantine, and keep making random stuff about Cretans and Dodecanese being extremely Levantine while you claim Greeks from antiquity came mostly from the steppe, which is absolutely false. Just like Indo-European Anatolians, Indo-European Greeks had hardly any steppe admixture! If you have any evidence this was the case, show it, but you can't because no such evidence exists!

---

Ok you are officially insane, right :D

Dorians and illyrians like all indoeuropeans came FROM UKRAINIAN STEPPES, and ALL linguists accept this theory and user fiechy had posted a study which proved that r1b and r1a were the only indoeuropean haplgroups in steppes, now if you see cpnsiparcy theories behind these facts like any scientist gives a f*ck about a dodecanese ta user it's your problem. Not to mention that northern Greece is dominated by r1a and most of south r1b not ev13, the latter is most common in central Greece

Regardless from being illyrians Greeks Iberians italics etc all indoeuropeans assimilated people with ev13 and j2 to different proportions depending upon how much of each haplogroup existed in an area before their invasions, and like you said DUMB only dodecanese has that low ev13, meanwhile other islands with equally zero contacts with slavs and zero recent mainland immigrations like lesbos naxos etc have higher ev13, which automatically debunks your already clueless by studies theories.

Yes mainland has slavic admixture but that is depicted on their difference with Cyclades, Ionian islands and north aegean in terms of northeast European autosomal components and higher slavic r1a than them, not in the difference with the already extra levantine mixed Rhodes due to extra geographical distance with mainland

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by brennus dux gallorum

Ok you are officially insane, right :D

Dorians and illyrians like all indoeuropeans came FROM UKRAINIAN STEPPES, and ALL linguists accept this theory and user fiechy had posted a study which proved that r1b and r1a were the only indoeuropean haplgroups in steppes, now if you see cpnsiparcy theories behind these facts like any scientist gives a f*ck about a dodecanese ta user it's your problem. Not to mention that northern Greece is dominated by r1a and most of south r1b not ev13, the latter is most common in central Greece

Regardless from being illyrians Greeks Iberians italics etc all indoeuropeans assimilated people with ev13 and j2 to different proportions depending upon how much of each haplogroup existed in an area before their invasions, and like you said DUMB only dodecanese has that low ev13, meanwhile other islands with equally zero contacts with slavs and zero recent mainland immigrations like lesbos naxos etc have higher ev13, which automatically debunks your already clueless by studies theories.

Yes mainland has slavic admixture but that is depicted on their difference with Cyclades, Ionian islands and north aegean in terms of northeast European autosomal components and higher slavic r1a than them, not in the difference with the already extra levantine mixed Rhodes

---

You must be confusing the origin of language with genetic admixture. It really doesn't matter if Indo-European languages originated in the steppe, what matters is the impact they made to genetics (not as much as you keep saying), and that's why you're talking conspiracy theories. You also have no proof about Dodecanese always having 'extra levantine', firstly it would be extra Anatolian, secondly we had migrations from south west Anatolia so the admixture is not 100% the same as before. In fact, some of my distant relatives came from Anatolia, as you saw listed in my ancestry. So, you have no idea what you're talking about, because it doesn't matter if Slavs never went to islands, mainlanders who had already mixed did, it doesn't need to be through major migrations, any time a mainlander moved to an island he brought over extra steppe admixture. Over time, this can lead to the increase of steppe in all islands, no island is so disconnected that it recieved zero migration!

Lastly, there is a simple reason 23andme/AncestryDNA cannot tell the difference between Rhodians and southern Italians (both of us get ITALIAN on AncestryDNA and 23andme) and there is a simple reason mainlanders get BALKAN. According to the website, southern Italians share a rich genetic history with Greek islanders, meanwhile Greek mainlanders share genetic history with Balkans. But, these websites only look at last 500 years, as you know, so please mr. smarty tell me what this means? :rolleyes:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by AncientGreek

You must be confusing the origin of language with genetic admixture. It really doesn't matter if Indo-European languages originated in the steppe, what matters is the impact they made to genetics (not as much as you keep saying), and that's why you're talking conspiracy theories. You also have no proof about Dodecanese always having 'extra levantine', firstly it would be extra Anatolian, secondly we had migrations from south west Anatolia so the admixture is not 100% the same as before. In fact, some of my distant relatives came from Anatolia, as you saw listed in my ancestry. So, you have no idea what you're talking about, because it doesn't matter if Slavs never went to islands, mainlanders who had already mixed did, it doesn't need to be through major migrations, any time a mainlander moved to an island he brought over extra steppe admixture. Over time, this can lead to the increase of steppe in all islands, no island is so disconnected that it recieved zero migration!

Lastly, there is a simple reason 23andme/AncestryDNA cannot tell the difference between Rhodians and southern Italians (both of us get ITALIAN on AncestryDNA and 23andme) and there is a simple reason mainlanders get BALKAN. According to the website, southern Italians share a rich genetic history with Greek islanders, meanwhile Greek mainlanders share genetic history with Balkans. But, these websites only look at last 500 years, as you know, so please mr. smarty tell me what this means? :rolleyes:

---

Completely clueless, as always :D

The people who brought indoeuropean language to Greece were r1b and r1a, the people they assimilated were the neolithic farmers (j and e and i), logic says that the more south these indoeuropeans travelled the more neolithics and other natives they assimilated, until they arrived in the BOTTOM of their colonies which is Rhodes

23andme is a company, in myheritage on the other hand which as a company is even more popular Greek mainland is grouped with ITALY, NOT BALKANS, but even if we go by 23andme Cyclades and north Aegean are also BALKAN with extra southern Italian imput, meanwhile Ionian islands which were equally never affected by Slavs score almost as Balkan as mainland does. And at least Cyclades and north Aegean islands do not have any common genetic history with mainland, not in the last 500 but in the last 2500 years, except if for the first time you will being some evidence that these islands were really colonized by recent mainlanders instead of talking out of your a**

You keep putting all islanders into the same basket with Rhodes and kalymnos, if you knew a sit Sicily was a major colony of phoenecias

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by brennus dux gallorum

Completely clueless, as always :D

The people who brought indoeuropean language to Greece were r1b and r1a, the people they assimilated were the neolithic farmers (j and e and i), logic says that the more south these indoeuropeans travelled the more neolithics and other natives they assimilated, until they arrived in the BOTTOM of their colonies which is Rhodes

23andme is a company, in myheritage on the other hand which as a company is even more popular Greek mainland is grouped with ITALY, NOT BALKANS, but even if we go by 23andme Cyclades and north Aegean are also BALKAN with extra southern Italian imput, meanwhile Ionian islands which were equally never affected by Slavs score almost as Balkan as mainland does. And at least Cyclades and north Aegean islands do not have any common genetic history with mainland, not in the last 500 but in the last 2500 years, except if for the first time you will being some evidence that these islands were really colonized by recent mainlanders instead of talking out of your a**

You keep putting all islanders into the same basket with Rhodes and kalymnos

---

Clearly they do, as they would not score BALKAN if they were disconnected since 600 AD. Also, I get matches from many different islands, so you don't know what you're talking about. Chios has even more west Asian than Dodecanese, but at same time score low Italian compared to Dodecanese. It's pretty clear to me ITALIAN score on 23andme/AncestryDNA is related to J2, while BALKAN score on 23andme is related to E-V13, as I see this pattern in all my matches. Now I do not understand why you can't understand how admixture can change in 1400 years, but if you believe that nothing has changed, I will just have to wait for ancient samples from correct time periods to shut you up.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by brennus dux gallorum

Completely clueless, as always :D

The people who brought indoeuropean language to Greece were r1b and r1a, the people they assimilated were the neolithic farmers (j and e and i), logic says that the more south these indoeuropeans travelled the more neolithics and other natives they assimilated, until they arrived in the BOTTOM of their colonies which is Rhodes

---

Greek language wasn't brought to Greece but was created or developed in Greece itself(and the Aegean)
I support Colin Renfrew and his theory an this matter

The oldest Greek language was Mycanaean,Mycanaeans had some Steppe ancestry but only a little it was a minority of their ancestry not
the main source

The more North the Greeks traveled the more Non Greek Northern Barbarian people they assimilated