He may struggle for whatever, but he shall just let it be to edit reference's lables like a Harry Potter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
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He may struggle for whatever, but he shall just let it be to edit reference's lables like a Harry Potter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
It is interesting that Beeskow sample has large distance of huge 23.579 from general German average.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
Everyone has right to identify as whatever he wants, but Beeskow sample is not autosomal ethnic German by any scientific logic.
Nobody disputes it is genetically Sorbian like, it's out of range for East Germans living nearby as well. But likely other Germans in her micro region plot like that, so such samples is useful for modeling of some Germans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
It is surpisingly that one part of one same nation didnt mix with their countrymen from surrounding areas during centuries, and preserve such drastically different autosomal genetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
Such drastically different autosomal genetic could be preserved between two ethnicities living next to each other, but hard among one same ethnicity.
I'm not a fan myself of making separate categories for outliers. Beeskow is an ordinary very small town in Brandenburg, why should it have a special status a town of 8000 inhabitants.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
Thuringia Central: NA: 35-43, Baltic: 27-34Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
Thuringia East: NA: 34-45, Baltic: 28-37
Saxony: NA 34-40, Baltic: 28-31
This is why there is a notable indication for that local Germans score like that. (The whole population there is uniformely protestant.) Tomenable correctly showed that statistical likelyhood. But we don't yet know and we also don't know the geographic extent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
Neither me. But this individual is deeply rooted in the surrounding villages of Beeskow city. This is why there is a notable indication for that also other local Germans score like that. Tomenable correctly showed that statistical likelyhood. We don't yet know this and also not the possible geographic extent of this. There are Sorbs nearby and we know that they score more Slavic-like too. In this context it would feel wrong to neglect this find. After Sorbs are a small number there could today even be more Germans than Sorbs scoring like that. Germans are sparsely tested, so we have to pay attention to those who are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunai
My point was that we don't even know if they are Sorbs or Germans according to your definition. In academic datasets samples are often labelled based on self-identification. This is what for example Mait Metspalu of the Estonian Biocentre does.Quote:
Originally Posted by rothaer
So maybe among these Kamenz Sorbs there are people who said "I'm a Sorb from village XYZ located just west of Kamenz, but Sorbian culture in my village and surrounding villages was suppressed 200 years ago". Just like the Beeskow sample.
Kamenz samples might be Germans according to your criteria. We just don't know.
They got published as Sorbs, but could be German-speaking families for centuries.
Also an ethnic German spouse of a Sorb can be counted as a Sorb in many cases.
This sample represents not Beeskow alone, but entire region around it, a historic region which shares common demographic history. The region is known in German as Kurmärkisch-Wendischer Distrikt and has a territory of 2174 square kilometers, so it is about as big as Memelland (2828 square kilometers).Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunai
This Wendischer Distrikt was part of the Bohemian Crown (Lower Lusatia) until the 16th century - then it became part of Brandenburg.
This area has unique history because no other part of Brandenburg was ruled by Czechs until as late as the 1500s.
Maybe thanks to being ruled by fellow Slavs, Sorbs survived so long in this area, and without German admixture.