Creo que con la gente de tu chip tiende a exagerar los porcentajes, me refiero al 23andme actualQuote:
Originally Posted by Defcon2
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Creo que con la gente de tu chip tiende a exagerar los porcentajes, me refiero al 23andme actualQuote:
Originally Posted by Defcon2
Me parece que en la descripción que 23andme hace de españa exagera la genética norteafricana aunque entiendo que lo hace porque incluye el porcentaje norteafricano a españa
The genetic landscape of the Iberian Peninsula – represented today by the people of Spain and Portugal – was influenced by several Mediterranean civilizations, including 800 years of Arabic North African rule. Now, a small North African genetic signature is present in Iberian DNA, and over eight percent of Spanish words carry Arabic origins. Conquistadors from Portugal and Spain colonized parts of Africa, Oceania, and the Americas, and DNA signatures of Iberian ancestry are now relatively common in people of Latin American descent.
Es que se supone que cuando se habla de componente español, viene incluido todo, incluso el norafricano que nosotros entendemos por iberomaurusian. Ya lo que es fuera de la regla, dependiendo que SNPs ellos tengan en consideracion como español o norafricano, va a extrapolarse. Por eso es que modelarse con componentes antiguos, en mi opinion personal, es mas certero para saber de verdad de que esta hecho una poblacion determinada.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spaniard 2.0
Target: Endovelicus_scaled
Distance: 1.9552% / 0.01955249
48.8 Iberian_Center
17.4 North_Iberia
13.8 British_Islands
11.0 Berber
4.4 MiddleEast
2.0 Arabian
1.6 Georgian_Average
1.0 Italian
Tienes razón pero para definir la genética española solo habla de las civilizaciones mediterráneas y en ellas recalca el norte de áfrica. Me parece excesivo que de 3 lineas 2 sean para hablar de los norteafricanos y la otra para explicar que hay mucha genética española fuera de españaQuote:
Originally Posted by Rocinante
Modelo simplificado, con una sola referencia Italian, French e Iberian, todos del centro, y un SSA y Amerindian provisionales cogidos al azar.
Amerindian=QuechuaCode:Amerindian,0.056229,-0.269522,0.1111,0.087469,-0.09688,-0.016957,-0.273881,-0.327263,-0.01129,-0.012392,-0.004027,-0.002008,-0.002438,0.021937,-0.003664,0.008221,0.007745,-0.001824,-2.5e-05,0.000425,-0.001073,0.009224,0.000468,0.003519,-0.002155
Arabian,0.05059585,0.13995270,-0.06513990,-0.11723870,-0.00940130,-0.04997380,-0.01229238,-0.00808298,0.05608075,-0.00410653,0.01556333,-0.03192903,0.06243548,0.00350273,0.00455410,0.02525745,-0.02140830,0.00386218,0.00015448,0.02687405,0.01263658,0.01614353,-0.00905183,0.00697205,-0.00832413
Armenian,0.10509315,0.13768585,-0.05823490,-0.06060000,-0.03175850,-0.01561800,0.00589615,-0.00656435,-0.03826240,-0.00506190,0.00201840,0.00339870,-0.00773695,0.00172020,-0.00649520,-0.00460265,0.00474855,0.00030305,0.00022010,0.00089650,0.00294790,0.00317855,-0.00264765,-0.00425920,0.00036025
Balkan,0.12638157,0.13520087,0.04103063,0.01803417,0.03150327,0.00620067,0.00450420,0.00621514,0.00142483,0.00096587,-0.00188910,-0.00109397,0.00282463,0.01096387,-0.01073077,-0.00273577,0.00497627,-0.00082773,0.00328490,-0.00291803,-0.00656340,-0.00225870,0.00450270,0.00035350,-0.00131333
Baltic,0.13419740,0.11830925,0.08826510,0.08638635,0.04299255,0.03189105,0.01198555,0.01426095,-0.00087945,-0.03266560,-0.00175390,-0.01308335,0.02134025,0.02636855,-0.00861145,0.00288380,0.00146670,-0.00143170,0.00147695,0.00325795,-0.00070510,-0.00379000,0.00666760,-0.00428965,0.00284405
Berber,-0.06548320,0.13410613,-0.00816420,-0.07538218,0.02581348,-0.03472953,-0.02944445,0.00831648,0.06752790,0.02796198,0.00707855,-0.00796418,0.02308645,-0.01552258,0.01677808,-0.01294335,-0.00285148,-0.02166338,-0.04415378,0.01019313,-0.01565483,-0.03933808,0.02467100,-0.00293920,0.00493865
English,0.13102565,0.13839775,0.06157145,0.04359780,0.04056560,0.01657980,0.00420955,0.00606750,0.00587280,0.00632250,-0.00470165,0.00604745,-0.01316735,-0.01029915,0.02068505,0.00336205,-0.01144795,0.00310430,0.00372315,0.00310190,0.00537285,0.00363740,-0.00201385,0.01408045,0.00036125
Irish/Scottish/Welsh,0.13228260,0.13575633,0.06116163,0.04610647,0.03934567,0.01760073,0.00328790,0.00544713,0.00432753,0.00329560,-0.00566140,0.00552183,-0.01298923,-0.01229210,0.02298907,0.00455140,-0.01034353,0.00244507,0.00212870,0.00159910,0.00479467,0.00279477,-0.00034153,0.01318237,0.00036833
Chinese,0.02574093,-0.44672400,0.00416373,-0.06463350,0.05351190,0.02476773,0.00551737,0.00207600,-0.01316077,0.00126697,-0.07530797,-0.01189107,0.01126457,-0.00655843,-0.00550930,0.00257083,0.00261210,0.00151403,0.00065540,-0.00996537,0.01280200,0.00725607,0.01069883,-0.00123393,-0.00250313
French:Center,0.12629375,0.14304605,0.04892535,0.01849095,0.04218765,0.00665110,0.00122955,0.00398360,0.01350490,0.02017300,-0.00508600,0.00708335,-0.01343755,-0.01002685,0.01103420,0.00377305,-0.00130630,0.00308060,0.00289040,-0.00059540,0.00202930,0.00365585,-0.00175740,0.00647840,-0.00099690
Georgian,0.10835960,0.13506550,-0.05811440,-0.05122780,-0.03449870,-0.00872940,0.01015250,-0.00519230,-0.05675520,-0.01525330,0.00121790,0.01150970,-0.02157060,0.00567000,-0.00108580,-0.02031270,0.00988310,-0.00392740,-0.00624710,0.01288120,0.00893410,0.00169400,-0.00067780,-0.00788050,-0.00144900
German,0.12967560,0.13619240,0.05618755,0.03572190,0.03738955,0.01410635,0.00564820,0.00601530,0.00317670,0.00231755,-0.00414570,0.00157895,-0.00333240,0.00012160,0.00450770,0.00349405,-0.00152525,0.00122655,0.00327310,0.00127880,0.00107455,-0.00032490,0.00086965,0.00563395,-0.00037550
Greek,0.11140840,0.14591180,-0.00812253,-0.04104343,0.00871315,-0.01319430,0.00090083,-0.00172838,-0.00075845,0.01704973,0.00310060,0.00279748,-0.00398438,0.00354085,-0.00934730,-0.00112803,0.00415830,0.00021075,0.00356465,-0.00389083,-0.00505928,0.00134385,0.00106483,0.00079573,-0.00272183
Iberian:Center,0.11164140,0.14594010,0.04041465,-0.00269165,0.04294360,-0.00147585,-0.00171355,0.00317290,0.02653685,0.03157990,-0.00221925,0.00826750,-0.01368300,-0.01220250,0.01127050,-0.00380075,-0.00640495,-0.00096065,-0.00232535,-0.00149035,0.00287500,0.00028850,0.00013350,-0.00322815,-0.00191590
India,0.05425723,-0.05224190,-0.14531813,0.10516810,-0.07525927,0.06000990,0.00056697,0.01146813,0.02995450,0.01783713,-0.00570163,-0.00016823,-0.00002613,0.00110113,0.00060693,-0.00117137,-0.00384817,0.00066970,0.00074737,-0.00379923,0.00015303,-0.00049060,0.00129760,0.00150510,-0.00206300
Italian:Center,0.11701408,0.14925148,0.00917310,-0.02814708,0.02221933,-0.01003865,0.00044550,-0.00159775,0.00642820,0.02364700,0.00002603,0.00452040,-0.00955638,-0.00467495,-0.00375115,0.00052440,0.00259400,0.00045623,0.00235623,-0.00327855,-0.00208228,0.00226180,-0.00011475,0.00257140,-0.00120693
Iranic,0.08819270,0.10113475,-0.06562890,-0.02964950,-0.04627995,-0.00295545,0.00468410,-0.00464850,-0.02821040,-0.01373640,0.00216160,-0.00098600,0.00418345,-0.00166035,0.00498295,0.01070660,-0.00466300,0.00281875,0.00398130,-0.00991535,-0.00093175,-0.00418420,-0.00039000,-0.00518885,0.00490625
MiddleEast,0.05685165,0.12859275,-0.04813445,-0.06769060,-0.01581660,-0.02342100,-0.00406920,-0.00286015,0.00661045,-0.00050155,0.00442385,-0.00707060,0.01346310,-0.00017820,-0.00193140,0.00745640,-0.00185565,0.00011665,0.00003315,0.00229120,0.00157940,0.00151840,-0.00176365,0.00088215,-0.00121830
Palestinian/Jewish,0.08970675,0.15220263,-0.04970895,-0.08630155,-0.00821318,-0.02909195,-0.00308430,-0.00400938,0.01374138,0.01814400,0.00735825,-0.00407470,0.00702445,0.00651988,-0.00855050,0.00501358,-0.00108388,0.00259705,0.00276545,0.00053945,-0.00321313,0.00803751,0.00093205,0.00186763,0.00126450
Scandinavian,0.13387755,0.12812600,0.07000080,0.05487155,0.03977280,0.02123570,0.00562880,0.00779640,0.00531760,-0.00310225,-0.00426855,0.00259765,-0.00608450,-0.00776585,0.01803785,0.00670525,-0.00632675,0.00230450,0.00208300,0.00281375,0.00635490,0.00392150,0.00270265,0.01419580,0.00005980
Slav,0.13138390,0.12667805,0.06910955,0.05764665,0.03918105,0.02150315,0.00872160,0.01108490,-0.00191195,-0.01982615,-0.00299075,-0.00703905,0.01422465,0.02013115,-0.00912990,-0.00082800,0.00311790,-0.00038630,0.00264685,0.00149370,-0.00381375,-0.00329875,0.00617250,-0.00369530,0.00031705
SSA,-0.600986,0.062455,0.014708,0.01179,0.002,0.00753,-0.012338,0.026537,0.002966,-0.02442,-0.002355,0.013338,-0.032036,0.003303,-0.035287,0.025921,-0.015255,-0.004371,-0.015272,0.006003,0.00287,-0.005132,-0.00302,0.000361,0.002215
Turkic,0.08279575,-0.04872655,-0.00773435,-0.00521585,-0.04090210,-0.00345510,0.00827315,0.00604885,-0.01586195,-0.01025075,-0.00767745,-0.00170265,0.00110940,-0.00557500,0.00308635,0.00607450,-0.00259560,0.00098765,-0.00011860,-0.00280345,-0.00721875,-0.00283710,-0.00430805,-0.00055895,0.00290500
Arabian,=Saudi,+(Yemenite_Al_Jawf,+Yemenite_Mahra, )
Armenian=Armenian,+Armenian_Hemsheni
Balkan,=Romanian,+Croatian,+Serbian,
Baltic=Latvian+Estonian
Berber=MAR_ERR,+MAR_TIZ,+Tunisia_Chen,+Tunisia_Sen ,
English=English+Cornwall
Irish/Scottish/Welsh=Irish,+Scottish,+Welsh
Chinese:Han,=Han_Shandong,+Han_Shanghai,+Han_Henan ,
French:Center=Paris+Auvergne
Georgian=Georgian_Imer,+Georgian_Laz
German=German+Austrian
Greek=(Kos+Cyprus)+Thessaly
Iberian:Center=CastillaYLeón+CastillaLaMancha
India,=Gujar_India,+Uttar_Pradesh,+Gujarati,
Iranian=Iranian_Fars,+Iranian_Lor,
Italian:Center= Italian_Marche,+Italian_Lazio,+Italian_Tuscany,+It alian_Umbria
MiddleEast,=Jordanian,+Syrian
Palestinian/Jewish=(Levant_Yehud_IBA,+Levant_Ashkelon_IA1,)+Pa lestinian_Beit_Sahour
Scandinavian,=Norwegian,+Swedish,
Slavic=Ukrainian+Polish
SSA=Bantu_Kenya,
Turkic,=Turkmen,+Turkmen_Uzbekistan,
Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.8425% / 0.01842506
76.4 Iberian
23.6 French
Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.1002% / 0.02100164
89.0 Iberian
9.6 Italian
1.4 Berber
Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 2.2079% / 0.02207896
78.4 Iberian
21.6 English
Bueno, paro ya...
Lo es, sin lugar a dudas. Ese es el problema de las compañias geneticas comunes, que sus descripciones son exotismo puro cuando no se trata de describir una poblacion del Noroeste/Oeste de Europa, los de LivingDNA son iguales, ni hablar de MyHeritage y FTDNA. Por eso, siempre ha sido mejor las herramientas por academicos que hay por fuera de estas empresas y que leen los SNPs como son. Al menos estas compañias nos hacen el gran favor de leernos el ADN y darnos nuestros putos SNPs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spaniard 2.0
Distance: 2.8784% / 0.02878368 | ADC: 0.25x
36.0 French
31.8 Italian
16.8 Iberian
8.8 Berber
6.6 Balkan
Que me pongan gabacho, moro y albanes antes que me buena tajada de macho ibero... Pues nada tio, tambien le doy un trreh.