Eurogenes Biogeographic Ancestry Project

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Originally Posted by Agrippa

And why doesn't that show up as much in the "converted Finno-Ugrians" (your words more or less) like the Lithuanians and being highest among those most Mongoloid influenced even among Finns?

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Most Mongoloid influence, lol what a term.

The ancestral population of the Finns was European, but they have acquired considerably more exotic ancestry than the rest of the Northern-Europeans. One thing being the Saami constantly being pushed north and assimilated and the 2nd thing is the Komi(strongly Siberian influenced) influence in eastern-Finland(not certain about, but recently read about), the Komis have many Veps loanwords in their language and vice-versa and traveling by the river ways wasn't hard.

The point being, the ancestral population of the Finns was European. Many factors rise their "exotic ancestry", like bottle-necks, Finno-ugric/Europid ancestry in Siberia, the Saamis and so on.

You have a point about the southern-Finnic populations lacking in this "exotic ancestry", when compared to the Finns. But we didn't have the Saami, nor contacts with people like the Komi.

By the way, you can find "North-Asian" segments even among the Lithuanians. This is caused by a common ancestry with the Siberians, I already told you about the Europid/Finno-Ugric expansion into Asia. Knowing who you are, you should be happy about the Europids dominating non-Europid ethnicities. But instead, you're critical about the genetic mark that the Finno-Ugrians left into Siberia. :p

The chauvinistic ignorance towards the Finns has had a bad result since the 19th century and it was started by the Swedes.

I know the Baltics have the component too, just on a lower level, but funnily this component is stronger everywhere Mongoliform/Mongoloid influences are typologically stronger too, like the higher the Lappid or Eastbaltid racial component is.

I'm pretty sure this Sibiroids were the original bearers of the Finno-Ugric tongue and some were just Indo-Europeanised by Northern Germanics, Balts and Slavs, resulting in this component being present in those also, like the Lappid-Eastbaltid racial element as well.

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Originally Posted by Agrippa

I know the Baltics have the component too, just on a lower level, but funnily this component is stronger everywhere Mongoliform/Mongoloid influences are typologically stronger too, like the higher the Lappid or Eastbaltid racial component is.

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The Lithuanians are very heavily N1c, are they also very Lappid and East-Baltid? I know that Estonia doesn't have those SNPA East-Baltids, except the Setos, who are the most borealized, as they live in the coldest region of Estonia.

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I'm pretty sure this Sibiroids were the original bearers of the Finno-Ugric tongue and some were just Indo-Europeanised by Northern Germanics, Balts and Slavs, resulting in this component being present in those also, like the Lappid-Eastbaltid racial element as well.

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Do you also dress 19th century style? Or are just your posts from the 19th century?

If there would be anything Indo-European in the Scandinavians and Northern-Europeans in general, then they wouldn't be so... Northern-European

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Originally Posted by Jäärapää

The Lithuanians are very heavily N1c, are they also very Lappid and East-Baltid?

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In comparison to lets say Germans, French and Danes with a much lower percentage of Eastbaltid-Lappid: Yes.

In comparison to Northern Russians and Northern Finns, they are less influenced...

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I know that Estonia doesn't have those SNPA East-Baltids, except the Setos, who are the most borealized, as they live in the coldest region of Estonia.

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Estonia has it, but like in Balts, it is a smaller segment of the population. It is actually not even dominant in Finns, but just stronger there - like the Sibiroid component being weak as well in the North East of Europe.

Strong it is in the Samoyedic and other people and you know how they look like - actually it is the opposite pattern:

Finno-Ugrians and related people with Uralic influences are overwhelmingly Europid with minor Mongoloid, the Sibiroid people are the exact opposite: Overwhelmingly Mongolid with minor Europoid, with the Europoid being stronger in certain local populations and individuals anyway than Mongolid even in Lappids.

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If there would be anything Indo-European in the Scandinavians and Northern-Europeans in general, then they wouldn't be so... Northern-European

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That's your idea, but the Neolithic and Central-Eastern European influence is clear in them.

The last K-12 analysis if Dienekes was great to prove my point as well, just look at how close NW is to West Asian and the Southern European components:
http://dodecad.blogspot.com/2011/04/...-selected.html

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Originally Posted by Agrippa

In comparison to lets say Germans, French and Danes with a much lower percentage of Eastbaltid-Lappid: Yes.

In comparison to Northern Russians and Northern Finns, they are less influenced...

Estonia has it, but like in Balts, it is a smaller segment of the population. It is actually not even dominant in Finns, but just stronger there - like the Sibiroid component being weak as well in the North East of Europe.

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As I said, I haven't seen those SNPA east-baltids here.

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Strong it is in the Samoyedic and other people and you know how they look like - actually it is the opposite pattern:

Finno-Ugrians and related people with Uralic influences are overwhelmingly Europid with minor Mongoloid, the Sibiroid people are the exact opposite: Overwhelmingly Mongolid with minor Europoid, with the Europoid being stronger in certain local populations and individuals anyway than Mongolid even in Lappids.

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Do I have to make hundreds of threads about certain Finno-Ugrians, just like Pallantides did about the Saami, for you to change your biased and chauvinistic opinion?

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That's your idea, but the Neolithic and Central-Eastern European influence is clear in them.

The last K-12 analysis if Dienekes was great to prove my point as well, just look at how close NW is to West Asian and the Southern European components:
http://dodecad.blogspot.com/2011/04/...-selected.html

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But they don't look like South-Eastern Europeans, the most Indo-European Europeans.

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Originally Posted by Jäärapää

As I said, I haven't seen those SNPA east-baltids here.

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If it is easy to spot them by random pictures from the internet, I can just wonder.

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Do I have to make hundreds of threads about certain Finno-Ugrians, just like Pallantides did about the Saami, for you to change your biased and chauvinistic opinion?

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What exactly do you mean? I consider Southern Finns to be strongly Nordid and Estonians beilng more Nordoid-Westbaltid and both being rather progressive too. The Eastbaltid is noticeable only as a minority element in most regions and the Mongoloid admixture very low - so low that without selection for Borealised traits which came with it it wouldn't even be noticeable.

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But they don't look like South-Eastern Europeans, the most Indo-European Europeans.

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First of all, who is most Indo-European is disputed and secondly, they are closer to them than to Osteuropids with morphological traits.

My results:

K = 4

Southwest Euro = 21.18%
North Sea = 70.02%
Baltic = 4.4%
Finnuit = 4.4%

K = 5

Finnuit = 6.2%
Southwest Euro = 16.14%
East Euro = 7.1%
S. Baltic = 11.62%
North Sea = 57.8%

My score next to the UK average, North sea scores high.

K = 4

Southern + Western European: 17.3% (26.3%)
North Sea: 79.52% (67.9%)
Baltic: 0% (3.3%)
Finnish: 3.35% (2.6%)
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K = 5

Finnish: 6% (3.7%)
Southern + Western European: 10.2% (19.1%)
East European: 1.77% (7.6%)
Southern Baltic: 11.28% (9.7%)
North Sea: 70.74% (60.0%)

My K=4 results:
Southern+Western European: 27.72%
North Sea: 10.31%
Baltic: 52.33%
Finnish: 9.64%

K=5:
Finnish: 4.55%
Southern+Western European: 20.78%
East European: 46.12%
Southern Baltic: 19.75%
Northwest European: 8.8%

Me(NO2)

K=4

Red(Southern+Western European) 0%
Green(North Sea) 86.67%
Aqua(Baltic) 1.42%
Purple(Finnish) 11.89%

K=5

Red(Finnish) 13.59%
Yellow(Southern+Western European) 0%
Green(East European) 13.18%
Blue(Southern Baltic) 3.18%
Purple(Northwest European) 70.06%

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