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08-31-2011, 09:55 PM
Kadu

Quote:

Originally Posted by Transhumanist

Are both your parents tested? I found that the Oracle results based on the average values of my mom and dad's v3 K=12 components were more in line with my known ancestry.

Unfortunately no. But tell me, aren't your results in line with your parents'? I would imagine yours half-way between theirs.

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Originally Posted by Transhumanist

And, you can then try mapping the "mix," to see if you can make sense of it from a different perspective. The "X" marks the spot where other analyses have suggested my ancestral origins lie (McDonald, Population Finder, etc.). Tbilisi was used for the Georgian population, and Baghdad for the Iraqi Jewish population.

That's quite interesting, but do all the results for your mixed mode land on the same area?
09-01-2011, 12:30 AM
Transhumanist

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kadu

Unfortunately no. But tell me, aren't your results in line with your parents'? I would imagine yours half-way between theirs.

That's quite interesting, but do all the results for your mixed mode land on the same area?

I forgot the mix, but it was not as accurate as the mix estimates based on the average values for my mom and dad. Attempted to separate them by groups, as measured by the distances in the last column:

[1,] "16.3% Georgians + 83.7% Iraq_Jews" "1.8684"

[2,] "52% Armenians_16 + 48% Syrians" "2.5546"

[3,] "60.7% Armenian_D + 39.3% Syrians" "2.8424"
[4,] "28.9% Armenians_16 + 71.1% Iraq_Jews" "2.9975"

[5,] "36.2% Armenian_D + 63.8% Iraq_Jews" "3.3127"
[6,] "14.5% Adygei + 85.5% Iraq_Jews" "3.5776"

[7,] "86.6% Armenian_D + 13.4% Saudis" "3.8972"
[8,] "70.9% Armenians_16 + 29.1% Bedouin" "3.9327"
[9,] "78% Armenian_D + 22% Bedouin" "3.9953"
[10,] "27.3% Iranian_D + 72.7% Iraq_Jews" "4.0417"

To give you an idea why this can occur, and how combining values can help better approximate actual ancestry, we need only look at the difference in the "West Asian" component for my father and paternal uncle:

Father = 47.6
Uncle = 52.6

Assyrian_D = 50.6

It may not always fit so neatly, but I think you see what I am getting at. Results running Oracle at 47.6% or 52.6% "West Asian" will not be as consistent with results generated for the Assyrian population. This will be reflected in your predicted "mix" populations and percentages. And, for some, it may lead to some curious results. Combining values of two parents, or four grandparents, most likely will better capture one's ancestry in Oracle. At least, in my case, I have found it to be so.
09-03-2011, 09:20 AM
Pallantides

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pallantides

My Dodecad DiY result:
http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/4680/graphdiy.png
East_European 14.18%
West_European 67.46%
Mediterranean 12.94%
Neo_African 0.00%
West_Asian 4.21%
South_Asian 0.00%
Northeast_Asian 1.20%
Southeast_Asian 0.00%
East_African 0.00%
Southwest_Asian 0.00%
Northwest_African 0.00%
Palaeo_African 0.00%

Oracle k=30 - (Diy admixture numbers)

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Swedish_D" "2.9154"
[2,] "Norwegian_D" "5.466"
[3,] "Irish_D" "14.691"
[4,] "British_Isles_D" "14.7678"
[5,] "Mixed_Germanic_D" "15.6137"
[6,] "British_D" "15.6601"
[7,] "Kent_1KG" "15.744"
[8,] "Dutch_D" "15.9369"
[9,] "Cornwall_1KG" "16.3935"
[10,] "Orkney_1KG" "16.4908"
[11,] "Argyll_1KG" "16.5425"
[12,] "Orcadian" "16.9762"
[13,] "N._European" "17.4092"
[14,] "German_D" "17.8313"
[15,] "CEU" "19.157"
[16,] "FIN" "20.988"
[17,] "French" "28.186"
[18,] "French_D" "28.576"
[19,] "Slovenian" "31.2585"
[20,] "Finnish_D" "32.4088"
[21,] "Hungarians" "35.3837"
[22,] "French_Basque" "38.6373"
[23,] "Portuguese_D" "44.1965"
[24,] "Spaniards" "44.8551"
[25,] "Polish_D" "44.8623"
[26,] "Mixed_Slav_D" "45.8817"
[27,] "Spanish_D" "46.2449"
[28,] "IBS" "46.6222"
[29,] "N_Italian_D" "48.1533"
[30,] "Tuscan_H" "48.2326"

mixed mode

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "18.6% FIN + 81.4% Norwegian_D" "2.6886"
[2,] "12.8% Finnish_D + 87.2% Norwegian_D" "2.6993"
[3,] "4% FIN + 96% Swedish_D" "2.7842"
[4,] "2.1% Finnish_D + 97.9% Swedish_D" "2.8308"
[5,] "0.6% Lithuanian_D + 99.4% Swedish_D" "2.8931"
[6,] "0.6% Lithuanians + 99.4% Swedish_D" "2.8956"
[7,] "0.3% Russian + 99.7% Swedish_D" "2.9117"
[8,] "0% Russian_D + 100% Swedish_D" "2.9153"
[9,] "0% Belorussian + 100% Swedish_D" "2.9154"
[10,] "Swedish_D" "2.9154"
09-06-2011, 01:25 AM
Barreldriver

My Results:

Original genomewide
10.27% East European
51.84% West European
26.91% Mediterranean
0.00% Neo African
8.75% West Asian
0.61% South Asian
0.01% Northeast Asian
0.23% Southeast Asian
0.00% East African
0.95% Southwest Asian
0.36% Northwest African
0.07% Paleo African

MDLP (Vadim Verenich’s mod) genomewide
11.04% Scandinavian
4.26% Volga Region
0.96% Altaic
34.10% Celto Germanic
15.54% Caucassian Anatolian
17.28% Balto Slavic
16.83% North Atlantic

BAT genomewide
60.09% Balkans
36.54% Anatolia
3.37% Turkic
09-06-2011, 01:49 AM
Barreldriver

Charts:

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k...adoriginal.jpg

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k...odecadMDLP.jpg
09-06-2011, 02:25 AM
d3cimat3d

44.83% Balkans
49.58% Anatolia
5.59% Turkic

Vadim's MDLP:

4.55% Scandinavian
5.30% Volga_Region
3.42% Altaic
14.49% Celto_Germanic
43.63% Caucassian_Anatolian
24.21% Balto_Slavic
4.40% North_Atlantic
09-06-2011, 07:24 AM
Quasimodem

Some MDLP results from ABF for comparison:

 ENGLISH (Western England + some Irish)
Scandinavian: 11.52
Volga Region: 4.66
Altaic: 1.29
Celto-Germanic: 35.01
Caucassian-Anatolian: 11.39
Balto-Slavic: 18.73
North Atlantic: 17.40

FINN #1 (NORTHERN OSTROBOTHNIA)
Scandinavian: 49.11
Volga Region: 5.74
Altaic: 3.20
Celto-Germanic: 13.72
Caucassian-Anatolian: 4.97
Balto-Slavic: 17.45
North Atlantic: 5.81

FINN #2
Scandinavian: 58.67
Volga Region: 8.38
Altaic: 4.57
Celto-Germanic: 7.53
Caucassian-Anatolian: 2.72
Balto-Slavic: 14.77
North Atlantic: 3.35

FINN #3 (Tavastian)
Scandinavian: 42.83
Volga Region: 8.04
Altaic: 3.46
Celto-Germanic: 14.46
Caucassian-Anatolian: 2.72
Balto-Slavic: 20.85
North Atlantic: 7.64

FINN #4
Scandinavian: 53.85
Volga Region: 7.61
Altaic: 4.59
Celto-Germanic: 11.10
Caucassian-Anatolian: 1.64
Balto-Slavic: 14.74
North Atlantic: 6.48

FINN #5 (Karelian)
Scandinavian: 55.09
Volga Region: 8.55
Altaic: 6.54
Celto-Germanic: 8.27
Caucassian-Anatolian: 1.97
Balto-Slavic: 13.51
North Atlantic: 6.07

GERMAN/SORB
Scandinavian: 11.29
Volga Region: 5.03
Altaic: 1.80
Celto-Germanic: 23.80
Caucassian-Anatolian: 12.07
Balto-Slavic: 34.81
North Atlantic: 11.20

GERMAN/DANISH/SWEDISH (Skane)/SWISS/ISLES
Scandinavian: 15.16
Volga Region: 4.05
Altaic: 0.25
Celto-Germanic: 33.06
Caucassian-Anatolian: 12.89
Balto-Slavic: 19.58
North Atlantic: 15.01

GREEK
Scandinavian: 0.10
Volga Region: 4.85
Altaic: 4.78
Celto-Germanic: 25.88
Caucassian-Anatolian: 42.07
Balto-Slavic: 13.71
North Atlantic: 6.84

NORWEGIAN #1 (Western Norway)
Scandinavian: 14.54
Volga Region: 6.05
Altaic: 1.63
Celto-Germanic: 34.27
Caucassian-Anatolian: 9.61
Balto-Slavic: 17.88
North Atlantic: 16.02

NORWEGIAN #2 (Western Norway)
Scandinavian: 15.96
Volga Region: 4.37
Altaic: 2.52
Celto-Germanic: 32.99
Caucassian-Anatolian: 9.10
Balto-Slavic: 19.27
North Atlantic: 15.79

NORWEGIAN #3 (Eastern Norway)
Scandinavian: 17.78
Volga Region: 4.78
Altaic: 2.68
Celto-Germanic: 31.40
Caucassian-Anatolian: 7.51
Balto-Slavic: 19.72
North Atlantic: 16.13

NORWEGIAN #4 (Eastern Norway)
Scandinavian: 15.04
Volga Region: 5.34
Altaic: 1.75
Celto-Germanic: 31.78
Caucassian-Anatolian: 10.17
Balto-Slavic: 20.29
North Atlantic: 15.62

NORWEGIAN #5 (Eastern Norway)
Scandinavian: 16.90
Volga Region: 6.58
Altaic: 2.75
Celto-Germanic: 32.75
Caucassian-Anatolian: 6.54
Balto-Slavic: 20.49
North Atlantic: 13.99

POLE #1 (Masovia, Pomerania, Volhynia)
Scandinavian: 7.13
Volga Region: 2.24
Altaic: 0.99
Celto-Germanic: 16.50
Caucassian-Anatolian: 9.76
Balto-Slavic: 54.15
North Atlantic: 9.24

POLE #2 (Southern Poland)
Scandinavian: 4.65
Volga Region: 3.42
Altaic: 0.00
Celto-Germanic: 16.70
Caucassian-Anatolian: 12.31
Balto-Slavic: 59.32
North Atlantic: 3.60

PORTUGUESE (Southern Portugal)
Scandinavian: 3.98
Volga Region: 2.16
Altaic: 3.09
Celto-Germanic: 34.62
Caucassian-Anatolian: 24.79
Balto-Slavic: 16.23
North Atlantic: 15.13

RUSSIAN (Russian Tver, Russian Moscow, Kuban Cossack, Don Cossack)
Scandinavian: 17.80
Volga Region: 9.69
Altaic: 1.5
Celto-Germanic: 17.68
Caucassian-Anatolian: 8.68
Balto-Slavic: 37.68
North Atlantic: 6.30

SICULO-NORMAN
Scandinavian: 7.61
Volga Region: 3.69
Altaic: 1.5
Celto-Germanic: 32.83
Caucassian-Anatolian: 23.21
Balto-Slavic: 16.77
North Atlantic: 14.39

SWEDE (Skane, Smaland, Blekinge)
Scandinavian: 15.00
Volga Region: 5.07
Altaic: 1.03
Celto-Germanic: 29.79
Caucassian-Anatolian: 10.98
Balto-Slavic: 23.16
North Atlantic: 14.97

SWEDE/FINN/GERMAN/ESTONIAN
Scandinavian: 25.20
Volga Region: 5.31
Altaic: 2.83
Celto-Germanic: 23.63
Caucassian-Anatolian: 9.73
Balto-Slavic: 21.09
North Atlantic: 12.21
09-06-2011, 08:40 AM
Pallantides

DIY Dodecad 2.0

14.18% East_European
67.46% West_European
12.94% Mediterranean
0.00% Neo_African
4.20% West_Asian
0.01% South_Asian
1.19% Northeast_Asian
0.01% Southeast_Asian
0.00% East_African
0.01% Southwest_Asian
0.00% Northwest_African
0.00% Palaeo_African

BAT(Balkans-Anatolia-Turkic)

62.08% Balkans
32.10% Anatolia
5.82% Turkic

MDLP

16.90% Scandinavian
6.58% Volga_Region
2.75% Altaic
32.75% Celto_Germanic
6.53% Caucassian_Anatolian
20.49% Balto_Slavic
13.99% North_Atlantic
09-06-2011, 08:07 PM
Barreldriver

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quasimodem

Some MDLP results from ABF for comparison:

 ENGLISH (Western England + some Irish)
Scandinavian: 11.52
Volga Region: 4.66
Altaic: 1.29
Celto-Germanic: 35.01
Caucassian-Anatolian: 11.39
Balto-Slavic: 18.73
North Atlantic: 17.40

My results seem most similar to this fellers.
09-06-2011, 08:47 PM
Steal

Quote:

Originally Posted by Humanophage

Your genome exists objectively (raw data), and it can be described in many ways (tools), using a variety of coordinates. The diversity of classification arises from the fact that the world can be divided across many lines, but it doesn't change the biological reality.

For example, Europe can be divided into Southern and Northern, and Western and Eastern. One tool uses N-S, another W-E. You find on one tool that you have 80% N elements, and on another that you have 80% W elements. Considering them, you conclude that you are mostly North-Western. Yet another tool divides Europe into Atlantic, Uralic, Balkan, Iberian. You score 70% on Atlantic - which says a similar thing to the N-S and W-E tools, but in different words. Some tools zoom in further to look at smaller regions, some provide very complex coordinates.

Using many different tools and measuring your genome on different factors, you can conclude as to its nature. Some tools are not precise, but a good way to see the merit of a tool is too look at how reasonably it describes the general relation between various nations. Dodecad and Eurogenes are both quite reasonable in this aspect.

Not true. The tests many of them ARE conflicting. Take 23andme, dienekes, and polako's. On polako's tests the british islanders and scandinavians show almost no non northern european admixture. In dienekes test they show something like 20-30% non northern european admixture. That is pretty substantial if you ask me. 23andme labels almost every euro as 100% or 99%. Again SUBSTANIAL.

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