German GEDmatch results

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Originally Posted by Watersater79

Kudos for this…. Really interesting, although how on god’s green earth does the average English genome have a higher amount of Baltic than the average German. I mean I get the higher Irish showing, because of their Steppe admix, but the English?

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They don't. And Irish have less than English.

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English,49.68,23.44,13.70,5.62,3.96,0.71,1.03,0.15,0.29,0.57,0.39,0.21,0.17
German,43.00,27.31,13.88,5.81,6.40,0.94,0.94,0.15,0.34,0.46,0.36,0.15,0.13
Irish,52.43,22.93,12.62,6.82,1.44,0.50,1.40,0.16,0.28,0.80,0.29,0.14,0.13

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Very large (in volume) update is coming quickly even. Yes, even Austria.

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Originally Posted by Watersater79

That does seem to be different information than the info that Ajeje Brazorf just put out, unless I am seriously missing something here.
It does appear that Alpine populations score relatively low on the Baltic front.
Also, I don't suppose it is an unusual scenario that my dad has almost twice as high of the 'eastern Europe' segment as he does 'Baltic' on his K15

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Creoda is actually right. Germans (excluding those in the south and west) have more "Baltic". I mentioned ANE earlier, but keep in mind that the "Baltic" component of Eurogenes K13 is an artificial construct, not a reality. It will probably be 30% EEF (component spread from Anatolia to Europe in several waves starting from 8000 years ago), 30% WHG (component spread from time immemorial in Europe among pre-agricultural hunter-gatherers), and finally 30% ANE and 10% CHG (components spread by peoples speaking Indo-European languages starting from 5000 years ago, although the former was already present in Eastern Europe mixed with WHG even among hunter-gatherers).

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Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf

Creoda is actually right. Germans (excluding those in the south and west) have more "Baltic". I mentioned ANE earlier, but keep in mind that the "Baltic" component of Eurogenes K13 is an artificial construct, not a reality. It will probably be 30% EEF (component spread from Anatolia to Europe in several waves starting from 8000 years ago), 30% WHG (component spread from time immemorial in Europe among pre-agricultural hunter-gatherers), and finally 30% ANE and 10% CHG (components spread by peoples speaking Indo-European languages starting from 5000 years ago, although the former was already present in Eastern Europe mixed with WHG even among hunter-gatherers).

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Can you explain that conjecture?

Gedmatch is increasingly falling out of use, probably not much use posting GM results anymore.

Volga German (his wife is Russian but their daughter re-Germanized the lineage by marrying an actual German from Germany)

North_Atlantic 42.54 Pct
Baltic 24.33 Pct
West_Med 14.31 Pct
West_Asian 7.62 Pct
East_Med 7.96 Pct
Red_Sea 1.95 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.17 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.12 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_German 2.77
2 South_Dutch 3.44
3 Austrian 6.88
4 North_German 7.14
5 Southeast_English 8.28
6 French 8.41
7 East_German 8.71
8 North_Dutch 9.01
9 Danish 9.04
10 Orcadian 9.57
11 Southwest_English 10.02
12 Irish 10.54
13 Norwegian 11
14 West_Scottish 11.14
15 Swedish 11.14
16 Hungarian 11.31
17 North_Swedish 14.5
18 Serbian 15.31
19 Spanish_Cataluna 16.22
20 Croatian 17.03

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.5% West_Scottish + 37.5% Romanian @ 1.58
2 58% West_Scottish + 42% Serbian @ 1.59
3 66.1% Orcadian + 33.9% Romanian @ 1.69
4 66% West_Scottish + 34% Bulgarian @ 1.7
5 69.4% Orcadian + 30.6% Bulgarian @ 1.75
6 79.3% South_Dutch + 20.7% Hungarian @ 1.83
7 63.9% Irish + 36.1% Romanian @ 1.85
8 69.7% South_Dutch + 30.3% Austrian @ 1.88
9 60.7% Southwest_English + 39.3% Serbian @ 1.88
10 75.4% North_Dutch + 24.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.9
11 90% South_Dutch + 10% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.92
12 67.3% Irish + 32.7% Bulgarian @ 1.94
13 59.5% Irish + 40.5% Serbian @ 1.97
14 69.4% Swedish + 30.6% Tuscan @ 1.98
15 90.1% South_Dutch + 9.9% Southwest_Russian @ 2
16 75.2% Norwegian + 24.8% Central_Greek @ 2.02
17 61.9% Orcadian + 38.1% Serbian @ 2.03
18 77.8% West_German + 22.2% Austrian @ 2.03
19 74.8% North_German + 25.2% North_Italian @ 2.04
20 93.9% West_German + 6.1% East_Finnish @ 2.05

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Originally Posted by Roy

Can you explain that conjecture?

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Baltic component peaks in samples like these

https://i.imgur.com/zRMi9mw.png

So it is essentially a Baltic Bronze Age or a vague EHG component (composed in various shades of WHG+ANE).

https://i.imgur.com/mc6nqqV.png

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Originally Posted by Leto

Gedmatch is increasingly falling out of use, probably not much use posting GM results anymore.

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If only Global25 was free and easily accessible like GEDmatch....

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Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf

If only Global25 was free and easily accessible like GEDmatch....

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Until G25 is free and easy to use, it won't fully replace Gedmatch. But IMO creating 3-5 new calculators for the Gedmatch website would suffice. Sadly, they seem to have abandoned that section entirely.

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Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf

Creoda is actually right. Germans (excluding those in the south and west) have more "Baltic". I mentioned ANE earlier, but keep in mind that the "Baltic" component of Eurogenes K13 is an artificial construct, not a reality. It will probably be 30% EEF (component spread from Anatolia to Europe in several waves starting from 8000 years ago), 30% WHG (component spread from time immemorial in Europe among pre-agricultural hunter-gatherers), and finally 30% ANE and 10% CHG (components spread by peoples speaking Indo-European languages starting from 5000 years ago, although the former was already present in Eastern Europe mixed with WHG even among hunter-gatherers).

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So kind of 70% EHG and 30% EEF.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Until G25

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G25 cost too much and their modern references are terrible. I don't see it replacing gedmatch anytime soon.

What I learned while collecting various verified samples? Don't trust academic samples, they are often random people from some city with mixed ancestry (either ethic or if not, than regional).

"German East" everyone used for years is a great example (and we use it still, just renamed it to German_Saxony). Now when we got decent number of fully verified kits from Saxony, I can see that average wasn't good and probably included people with ancestry not only from Saxony, but other places. Nobody seems to check 4/4 grandparents in academic papers it seems, their reliability is really low.

New Saxony average we will publish soon to replace academic one (won't mix them but totally drop Leipzig academic kits) is pretty different and quite less eastern.

It's even close to "central German" genetic profile in a way, something many argued doesn't exist. All academic averages on Vahado need to be replaced with better ones, they are simply not reliable.