Pontic Greek Gedmatch results

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Originally Posted by Hahns

One hypothesis is that prior to the Slavic invasions the populations of Crete and the other islands were much more similar to those of the mainland, since those invasions would have had more of an effect on the mainland. I think that's logical and supported by the evidence.

On the other hand, there were other migrations which might have differentially affected the mainland, such as the Goths or even any northern shifted "steppe" group. Then, the islands, being closer to Anatolia, might have a bit more of that ancestry, although mitigating against that is the fact that there has been constant and continuing contacts between the islands and many parts of the mainland.

So, I'm waiting for the ancient DNA.

If you haven't already, you might want to take a look at the thread on the recent paper on Greek genetics. Just use the search engine to find it.

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The recent paper on Greek genetics(Sarno) is not so recent most people know it and Sikeliot made a few threads about it


To let you know in case you think you discovered something no one ever saw before


Also Sarno doesn't claim Mainland Greeks share alot in common with Slavs not at all

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Originally Posted by brennus dux gallorum

You don't burst any bubble as you obviously have no idea about the specific issue. At least one official published study has not spotted more than 15% Slavic admixture in peloponnese, so posting 30% and other similar percentages which hardly apply for northern Greece won't change reality

And where did i say that Frankish was above Slavic? Even if northwestern components are higher than northeastern components in most of Greece unlike balkans where noetheastern components dominates (let alone autosomal distances, with peloponnese being closer to central Italy than ANY Balkan region or country) i will give to slavs the most admixture

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That was my hypothesis. The study's result that you speak of is not an Earth orbits the sun scenario. While it proves that modern Peloponnesians cannot be essentially of Slavic ancestry but I seriously doubt a 7% population left hunderds of toponyms in the region. Thats less than the percentage of Muslims in France.

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Originally Posted by SuperDorian

The thing is Slavic admixture and influence is overestimated as fuck and unlike what people claim there has never been a Slavic invasion in all of Mainland Greece only some Slavic tribes like Bulgarians and Serbs who were disorganized and both culturally as also militarily far inferior to Byzantine Greeks tried and invaded or raided some territories in Northern Greece.

And there was not such a thing as extinction or a massive foreign intrusion into Mainland Greece wether one is talking about Slavs proper,
South Slavs or Allbos its all fairytales and propaganda

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I've read at least two objective historical accounts of Slav incursions into Greece during the 6th c AD and it's real. The Melengi settled in Laconia and lived separately from the indigenous population but they did exist. Was it massive? Absolutely not. There were, however, Slavic villages in the Peloponnese throughout the middle ages.

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Originally Posted by -Scar-

That was my hypothesis. The study's result that you speak of is not an Earth orbits the sun scenario. While it proves that modern Peloponnesians cannot be essentially of Slavic ancestry but I seriously doubt a 7% population left hunderds of toponyms in the region. Thats less than the percentage of Muslims in France.

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Modern Peloponnesians are relatively close to Albanians and other non Slav Balkanites.

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Originally Posted by -Scar-

That was my hypothesis. The study's result that you speak of is not an Earth orbits the sun scenario. While it proves that modern Peloponnesians cannot be essentially of Slavic ancestry but I seriously doubt a 7% population left hunderds of toponyms in the region. Thats less than the percentage of Muslims in France.

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Toponyms don't matter these places didn't have only Slavic toponyms

I personally would abolish all Slavic toponyms and reintroduce the original Ancient Greek ones

What we are talking about here is that the whole of 35% non Mycanaean ancestry in modern Pelponnese Greeks is not all from Slavs
it would be to much

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Originally Posted by kleenex

Modern Peloponnesians are relatively close to Albanians and other minimaly Slav admixed Balkanites.

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They are close to Italians and Albanians and almost no other Balkanites except of Albanians

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Originally Posted by Annihilus

Here is my MDLP K23b.

I am closer to Azov Greek than you. You sure you don't have any Turkish ancestry?

1 Azov_Greek_ @ 5.595373
2 Turk_Istanbul_ @ 6.999248
3 Turk_Aydin_ @ 7.191515
4 Turk_Balikesir_ @ 7.552398
5 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ @ 7.985395
6 Crimean_Tatar_Coast_ @ 8.532290
7 Greek_Macedonia_ @ 10.336052
8 Turk_ @ 10.684715
9 Greek_ @ 10.742879
10 Cretan_ @ 11.149133
11 Greek_Athens_ @ 11.871713
12 Central_Greek_ @ 12.408091
13 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 12.950331
14 Romanian_Jew_ @ 13.039809
15 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 13.270164
16 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 13.496339
17 Greek_Smyrna_ @ 13.591235
18 Italian_South_ @ 13.659225
19 Greek_Thessaloniki_ @ 13.883714
20 Ashkenazi_ @ 13.902244

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Can you show your k36 map?