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04-23-2021, 05:53 PM
Leto

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Originally Posted by CommonSense

The Macedonian average on dodecad is probably outdated.

Why would it be? North Macedonia is to the WEST of Bulgaria, so it's only natural they're most similar to Western BG than the rest of said country. I don't believe you always need a fuck ton of sample to get an idea of a country's genetic profile. If Johnny is unwilling to raise a fucking finger to update that average, I don't give a rat's ass 'cause it's good enough for me. Anyway I trust Kaspias more than those whose judgement is severely clouded by politics.
04-23-2021, 06:03 PM
CommonSense

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

Why would it be? North Macedonia is to the WEST of Bulgaria, so it's only natural they're most similar to Western BG than the rest of said country. I don't believe you always need a fuck ton of sample to get an idea of a country's genetic profile. If Johnny is unwilling to raise a fucking finger to update that average, I don't give a rat's ass 'cause it's good enough for me. Anyway I trust Kaspias more than those whose judgement is severely clouded by politics.

You think his kits are unrepresentative? I've not seen many Macedonians who score like typical Bulgarians from the west of the country. And certainly none who are similar to Montenegrins of any kind. They're either like eastern Bulgarians or like Aromanians and Ghegs.
04-23-2021, 06:17 PM
Leto

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Originally Posted by CommonSense

You think his kits are unrepresentative? I've not seen many Macedonians who score like typical Bulgarians from the west of the country. And certainly none who are similar to Montenegrins of any kind. They're either like eastern Bulgarians or like Aromanians and Ghegs.

I'm not saying his kits are unrepresentative. But Dodecad may be simply different from Eurogenes.
04-23-2021, 06:52 PM
JohnnyP

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Originally Posted by Leto

I'm not saying his kits are unrepresentative. But Dodecad may be simply different from Eurogenes.

These references from all calculators except K13 are wrong ... really wrong, nothing like Macedonian averages or kits, also K15 it's not updated, my averages are from more than 250 Kits, and besides that nothing like these references even averages are not like that, even these are Academic samples from a study I know, they are Skopje samples and most of them are Macedo-Serbs, even 50% of them have Serbian surnames.

So gedmatch references of Macedonians are wrong, I can bet for many more ethnicities are wrong, but anyway I'm here to correct it, bro? Not even one thank?
Cheers!
04-23-2021, 06:55 PM
JohnnyP

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Originally Posted by Coolguy1

can you provide the kit numbers for the Tetovo guys?

Yes I can ,

XS4668810
T655998
T491975
T588417
T251028
WX2259700
XY9343009
A154390
BW1528752
A584834
A373748
JT5955745
04-23-2021, 07:10 PM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyP

These references from all calculators except K13 are wrong ... really wrong, nothing like Macedonian averages or kits, also K15 it's not updated, my averages are from more than 250 Kits, and besides that nothing like these references even averages are not like that, even these are Academic samples from a study I know, they are Skopje samples and most of them are Macedo-Serbs, even 50% of them have Serbian surnames.

So gedmatch references of Macedonians are wrong, I can bet for many more ethnicities are wrong, but anyway I'm here to correct it, bro? Not even one thank?
Cheers!

If you can, please run some of the best Macedonian kits through Dodecad K12b. That'd be appreciated very much.
04-23-2021, 07:35 PM
Varda

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Originally Posted by JohnnyP

You are on the wrong page for trolling bra, but anyways ;

Code:

Distance to: Macedonian 2.97756612 Vlach(Aromanian)_average 3.82272154 Albanian_Gheg 4.33544692 Bulgaria_Southcentral 4.59084959 Bulgaria_Northeastern 4.72217111 Albanian 4.74191944 Bulgaria_average 4.81370959 Torbesh_average 4.81589036 Bulgaria_Southwestern 4.82344275 Bulgaria_Southeastern 5.14797047 Bosniak_Sandzak Distance to: Macedonian_Central&South 2.30443052 Albanian_Gheg 2.51561126 Vlach(Aromanian)_average 3.13277832 Albanian 3.33805332 Torbesh_average 4.25853555 Greek_Thessaly 5.07420930 Albanian_Tosk 5.19973076 Bulgaria_Southeastern 5.20703370 Greek_Central_Macedonia 5.27357564 Greek_Northeast 5.33437906 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia

Eastern Macedonians
Target: East_avg
Distance: 1.1091% / 1.10913248 | ADC: 0.5x RC
42.5 Bosniak_Sandzak
36.1 Albanian_Gheg
21.4 Italian_Friuli_VG

I think medieval Slavic speaking Macedonians were northern shifted than modern ones because they are mixed with Aromanians in Ottoman time and later.
04-23-2021, 07:48 PM
JohnnyP

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Originally Posted by Varda

I think medieval Slavic speaking Macedonians were northern shifted than modern ones because they are mixed with Aromanians in Ottoman time and later.

I think no, the fact that Albanians,Macedonians and Aromanians in past lived in one kingdom called Macedonia while northern borders were next to Skopje , so without Skopje and Kumanovo , that's reason why Central ,West , Southwest,Southeast Macedonians are similar/same to Ghegs and Aromanians not because later they were mixed with them, so Macedonians from regions where never lived Aromanians or Ghegs have those type of results, Skopje and Kumanovo have high Serbian influence, Kumanovo even more, 4th person in Kumanovo is mixed with Serb.
I said once I will say again Aromanians are Macedonians same with Albanians, most of them.Cheers!

https://i.imgur.com/Qs2Hjav_d.webp?m...fidelity=grand
04-23-2021, 08:01 PM
Varda

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Originally Posted by JohnnyP

I think no, the fact that Albanians,Macedonians and Aromanians in past lived in one kingdom called Macedonia whise northern borders were next to Skopje , so without Skopje and Kumanovo , that's reason why Central ,West , Southwest,Southeast Macedonians are similar/same to Ghegs and Aromanians not because later they were mixed with them, so Macedonians from regions where never lived Aromanians or Ghegs have those type of results, Skopje and Kumanovo have high Serbian influence, Kumanovo even more, 4th person in Kumanovo is mixed with Serb.
I said once I will say again Aromanians are Macedonians same with Albanians, most of them.Cheers!

https://i.imgur.com/Qs2Hjav_d.webp?m...fidelity=grand

Albanians in Macedonia are migrants in Ottoman time, they are Muslims and because of religion mixing with Orthodox Slavic speaking Macedonians was impossible.
Same goes for Aromanians. They settled in N. Macedonia from Epirus and Thessaly in Ottoman time. For example Aromanians of Kruševo came from Epirius (mostly from Samarina) in period 1756-1903.
Vlachs who lived in Macedonia since middle age are Megleno-Vlachs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megleno-Romanians
Mijaks are created as mix of Slavs who arrived in western Macedonian from Albania in Ottoman time and Aromanian migrants from Epirus also in Ottoman time.
04-23-2021, 08:05 PM
Varda

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Originally Posted by Varda

Albanians in Macedonia are migrants in Ottoman time, they are Muslims and because of religion mixing with Orthodox Slavic speaking Macedonians was impossible.
Same goes for Aromanians. They settled in N. Macedonia from Epirus and Thessaly in Ottoman time. For example Aromanians of Kruševo came from Epirius (mostly from Samarina) in period 1756-1903.
Vlachs who lived in Macedonia since middle age are Megleno-Vlachs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megleno-Romanians
Mijaks are created as mix of Slavs who arrived in western Macedonian from Albania in Ottoman time and Aromanian migrants from Epirus also in Ottoman time.

Kruševo is a copy of Samarina. Altitude of Kruševo is 1350 m and of Samarina is 1450 m, architecture is very similar.

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