Haz tú, elige poblaciones cambias el nombre y las pones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spaniard 2.0
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Haz tú, elige poblaciones cambias el nombre y las pones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spaniard 2.0
:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Spaniard 2.0
luego miro jajaQuote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Target: Viriato_scaled
Distance: 1.7911% / 0.01791143
30.8 Ibérico_Oscuro
30.2 Ibérico_Saleroso
19.6 Ibérico_Mesetario
16.0 Ibérico_LevantaPiedras
2.0 Malacatones
1.2 Guiri_ColorMedio
0.2 Guiri_Claro
Target: Viriato_scaled
Distance: 1.8282% / 0.01828158 | ADC: 0.25x
45.2 Ibérico_Mesetario
30.4 Ibérico_Saleroso
20.2 Ibérico_Oscuro
3.4 Ibérico_LevantaPiedras
0.8 Malacatones
Target: Viriato_scaled
Distance: 1.8865% / 0.01886501 | ADC: 0.5x
58.4 Ibérico_Mesetario
27.2 Ibérico_Saleroso
14.4 Ibérico_Oscuro
Target: Viriato_scaled
Distance: 2.0266% / 0.02026629 | ADC: 1x
81.8 Ibérico_Mesetario
18.2 Ibérico_Saleroso
Target: Viriato_scaled
Distance: 2.0986% / 0.02098579 | ADC: 2x
100.0 Ibérico_Mesetario
No tengo puto idea de lo que significan.
Habrá que retocar el Ibérico melancólico y que esté más compensado porque todos los portugueses me estáis saliendo canarios en la menor distancia, o poner un Ibérico melancólico más tirando hacia el Algarve y otro más centrado.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas
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El ibérico oscuro no llegó primero en la distancia. Ibérico Mesetario asumo que es Castilla y León? Usualmente es la población con la que estoy más cerca.Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Distance to: Viriato_scaled
0.02098579 Ibérico_Mesetario
0.02339796 Ibérico_Saleroso
0.02367662 Ibérico_Melancólico
0.03392960 Ibérico_Oscuro
0.04521597 Ibérico_MedioGuiri
0.04590972 Ibérico_LevantaPiedras
0.05137919 Guiri_ColorMedio
0.08097953 Guiri_Claro
0.08227905 Guiri_BastanteClaro
0.21352491 Moruno
0.32045698 Malacatones
0.58198099 Chinorri
0.64707955 Panchito
0.69490023 Negroide
30.8 Ibérico_Oscuro= Islas CanariasQuote:
Originally Posted by Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas
30.2 Ibérico_Saleroso= Andalucía
19.6 Ibérico_Mesetario=Castilla
16.0 Ibérico_LevantaPiedras=País Vasco
2.0 Malacatones= Gitano/Sur India
1.2 Guiri_ColorMedio=centroeuropa
0.2 Guiri_Claro=Norte Europa
Bueno más o menos sería esto, ahora dudo de algún guiri exactamente pero algo así:
Ibérico_Mesetario= Castilla
Ibérico_Saleroso=Andalucía
Ibérico_Melancólico=Norte Portugal/Galicia
Ibérico_Oscuro= islas Canarias
Ibérico_MedioGuiri=Sur de Francia/Aragón
Ibérico_LevantaPiedras=vasco
Guiri_ColorMedio=centroeuropa
Guiri_Claro=SIlas Británicas/Escandinavia
Guiri_BastanteClaro=Norte de Europa
Moruno=Norte de África
Malacatones= Sur India/Gitano
Chinorri=Asia
Panchito=Amerindio América central
Negroide=África Ecuatorial
Hombre me parece demasiado genial lo que acabas de hacer la verdad, hiciste una calculadora que gusto, cumplio con la intencion principal que es pasar un rato riendonos, ya se que al menos Txinorri no soy.Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 1.9221% / 0.01922121
59.6 Ibérico_Mesetario
18.6 Ibérico_Saleroso
13.6 Ibérico_LevantaPiedras
4.2 Ibérico_Oscuro
1.8 Ibérico_Melancólico
1.2 Ibérico_MedioGuiri
0.6 Guiri_BastanteClaro
0.4 Negroide
Distance to: Gallop_scaled
0.02008536 Ibérico_Mesetario
0.02312202 Ibérico_Melancólico
0.02436280 Ibérico_Saleroso
0.03951440 Ibérico_MedioGuiri
0.04019499 Ibérico_LevantaPiedras
0.04063954 Ibérico_Oscuro
0.04700633 Guiri_ColorMedio
0.07631016 Guiri_Claro
0.07686428 Guiri_BastanteClaro
0.22070373 Moruno
0.32651278 Malacatones
0.58452681 Chinorri
0.64921381 Panchito
0.69700077 Negroide
Miren que curiosos estos españoles, estan demasiado outliers
Target: Spanish_Galicia:GAL20
Distance: 4.1473% / 0.04147269
48.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
32.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.2 BEL_Loschbour
8.6 Levant_Natufian
0.4 MAR_Taforalt
0.2 MWI_Hora_9000BP
Target: Spanish_Galicia:GAL35
Distance: 3.9192% / 0.03919186
50.2 Anatolia_Barcin_N
26.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
13.6 BEL_Loschbour
6.2 MAR_Taforalt
2.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.8 RUS_Karelia_HG
Target: Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha:HG02238
Distance: 2.6675% / 0.02667477
51.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
24.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.4 BEL_Loschbour
5.2 Levant_Natufian
5.2 RUS_Karelia_HG
2.4 MAR_Taforalt
Target: Spanish_Andalucia:AND2
Distance: 3.0883% / 0.03088330
47.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
28.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
13.6 BEL_Loschbour
5.4 MAR_Taforalt
5.0 Levant_Natufian
0.6 MWI_Hora_9000BP
Target: Spanish_Andalucia:AND10
Distance: 3.7906% / 0.03790591
53.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
24.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
13.2 BEL_Loschbour
4.4 MAR_Taforalt
3.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
0.8 RUS_Karelia_HG
Target: Spanish_Extremadura:HG01509
Distance: 3.0686% / 0.03068557
51.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
28.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.8 BEL_Loschbour
6.8 MAR_Taforalt
1.8 Levant_Natufian
1.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
Target: Spanish_Andalucia:AND80
Distance: 3.6250% / 0.03624988
50.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
27.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
13.0 BEL_Loschbour
7.6 MAR_Taforalt
1.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
Y este seria el canario menos español de todos, pero el que menos, tiene mas de 80% en componentes europeos (para el que no quiera considerar el Ganj Dareh como un componente blanco).
Target: Spanish_Canarias:CAN924
Distance: 4.0226% / 0.04022553
48.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
24.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
14.6 MAR_Taforalt
7.8 BEL_Loschbour
3.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
1.4 MWI_Hora_9000BP
En realidad están bastante en la media, por lo menos en MAR_Taforalt, que es lo más alto que tienen en conjunto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Celtíbero Itálico
Los 7 primeros tienen una media de 4,72% y metiendo el último que se sale algo de lo habitual, la media sube a un 5,97%. No es nada anormal para la población española.A mí la media de ese tipo de calculadoras me suele dar entre 0 y hasta 4%, yo suelo dar por más acertado un 2,4% en MAR_Taforalt para mí.
Si pero no veas solo el taforalt, tienes que ver el natufian, el shar i soktha y los componentes del mesolitico africano, que son bastantes ajenos a Europa. El Ganj Dareh de cierta manera es primo hermano de los esteparios, es mas, si lo quitas se lo suman al yamnaya, pero aun asi es muchisimo mas comun en los asiaticos del oeste que en los europeos.Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Pero son porcentajes muy bajitos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Celtíbero Itálico
Pensaba que el Ganj Dareh era Indio.
Ganj Dareh es lo que se conoce como Iran_Neolithic, que es en realidad un componente derivado de los ANE (Ancient North Eurasians) al igual que los Yamnaya, solo que los Yamnaya tienen EHG y estos no. Lo que seria el componente indio es el Shar i Soktha, a nuestro querido Defcon le sale.Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Y claro no esta demas mostrar el modelo que use:
Code:BEL_Loschbour:I0001,0.133173,0.106631,0.20176,0.192186,0.164338,0.055778,0.00611,0.036922,0.096535,0.02278,-0.020786,-0.016186,0.024975,-0.007432,0.065824,0.063643,0.008084,0.006714,-0.013324,0.065281,0.120038,0.019166,-0.059405,-0.175687,0.022992
USA_Alaska_TrailCreek_9000BP:TrailCreek,0.036423,-0.284348,0.083721,0.089471,-0.075706,-0.013387,-0.11398,-0.126226,-0.003681,-0.021139,-0.00406,-0.008243,0.004906,-0.011423,0.005293,0.003315,0.000261,-0.000507,0.007039,0.009505,-0.013601,0.002844,0.011339,0.003133,-0.009939
BLZ_MayahakCabPek_9300BP:I3443,0.052359,-0.323954,0.11389,0.093347,-0.118791,-0.018128,-0.286243,-0.337601,-0.007976,-0.008383,0.001786,0.005695,0.003271,0.022157,-0.002714,0.002519,0.00352,0.000633,-0.001006,0.005753,0.006364,0.002226,-0.001356,0.001687,0.003233
Levant_Natufian:I1072,0.021626,0.151314,-0.036204,-0.141475,0.034776,-0.082831,-0.032196,-0.010384,0.128032,0.012028,0.037837,-0.024878,0.085629,0.002615,0.007872,-0.008088,-0.020601,-0.008742,-0.026019,0.040269,0.007112,0.003462,0.007025,0.002289,0.000599
MAR_Taforalt:TAF010,-0.193499,0.083273,-0.03017,-0.088502,0.034776,-0.055499,-0.076378,0.019384,0.163619,0.008565,0.02111,-0.030573,0.07879,-0.046104,0.077496,-0.046141,-0.00665,-0.069805,-0.144176,0.036518,-0.042924,-0.129217,0.07629,-0.015303,0.018322
CMR_Shum_Laka_8000BP:I10872,-0.597571,0.059916,0.014708,0.026163,-0.011079,0.002231,0.120325,-0.098996,0.017385,-0.008018,-0.00065,-0.023679,-0.018285,-0.007707,0.002986,-0.002387,0.013951,0.014062,0.001508,-0.006003,-0.002371,-0.001855,0.003451,-0.001446,0.002275
RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N:NEO236,0.01935,-0.448864,0.067127,-0.049742,-0.041238,-0.046017,0.00846,0.003,0.003681,0.024602,-0.054563,-0.001798,-0.001933,0.012799,-0.010858,-0.005569,0.002477,0.000127,0.017849,0.012631,0.014599,-0.029553,-0.019843,-0.000843,-0.010538
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0726,0.120652,0.180764,0.00264,-0.104653,0.053548,-0.054663,-0.005875,-0.002308,0.035383,0.088749,0.009743,0.015586,-0.027651,0.006881,-0.040716,-0.037655,-0.001825,0.002914,0.0225,-0.015382,-0.013351,0.007666,-0.004683,0.00253,0.006945
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0438,0.126344,0.085304,0.042615,0.122741,-0.032929,0.048806,-0.002115,0.002077,-0.068925,-0.080548,0.00065,0.002548,-0.00892,-0.029176,0.032437,0.011668,0.002347,-0.005068,-0.006285,0.018009,-0.00025,0.001731,0.021199,0.021328,-0.007185
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N:I1290,0.036423,0.069056,-0.151603,-0.011951,-0.121253,0.011992,0.017626,-0.005307,-0.084059,-0.051026,0.003085,-0.005695,0.009217,-0.014588,0.026058,0.068814,-0.005737,0.008615,0.014581,-0.032391,0.01435,-0.02201,-0.016885,-0.041452,0.02874
IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2:I8728,0.033009,-0.081242,-0.184789,0.125325,-0.09848,0.06777,0.002585,0.007615,0.03661,0.02606,-0.002273,0.010041,-0.005798,0.006744,0.004479,0.001326,0.008605,0.001267,0.00352,0.001376,0.003743,-0.004946,-0.00037,-0.00253,-0.007305
GEO_CHG:KK1,0.091058,0.102568,-0.083344,-0.00323,-0.08617,0.020638,0.024911,-0.001846,-0.128236,-0.074717,-0.006333,0.023979,-0.054856,0.004404,0.026601,-0.03275,0.02386,-0.013429,-0.022249,0.034767,0.033815,-0.007048,0.006532,-0.025787,-0.002036
RUS_Karelia_HG:I0061,0.125205,0.034528,0.137272,0.204137,-0.015695,0.057451,-0.026791,-0.03046,-0.01084,-0.090571,0.025982,-0.009591,0.022745,-0.048581,0.019679,0.016309,-0.022426,0.0019,-0.006913,0.017258,-0.004617,0.011747,0.007025,-0.020485,-0.008502
SWE_Motala_HG:I0012,0.135449,0.084289,0.173476,0.195739,0.092017,0.056894,-0.00752,0.009692,0.050722,-0.038999,-0.000325,-0.018434,0.032557,-0.016928,0.02823,0.052771,0.004303,0,-0.006913,0.035017,0.062016,0.016693,-0.021445,-0.104714,0.001437
ETH_4500BP:mota,-0.511066,0.043668,0.000754,0.000969,-0.00277,-0.011435,0.050997,-0.045229,0.089172,-0.087838,-0.012991,-0.002997,-0.031219,0.000688,0.02158,-0.029965,0.027772,0.039273,0.00176,-0.009004,0.000374,0.006183,-0.003451,-0.00241,-0.000838
MWI_Hora_9000BP:I2966,-0.544074,0.057885,0.007542,0.026163,0.001539,-0.005578,0.167328,-0.13061,0.033746,-0.012574,-0.005359,-0.02203,-0.017691,0.005505,0.016151,-0.011138,0.022817,0.118834,-0.030545,-0.004377,-0.018218,-0.004451,-0.005793,-0.000843,0.003712
En moro todos están en la media exceptuando al canario como es obvio, pero la mayoría tiene más yamnaya y WHG que yo, lo que si puntúan es en Tepecik pero es más europeo que Natufian por ejemplo. Que calculadoras más raras usa Celtibero.
https://i.postimg.cc/sgY23f3T/muestras.png
^^
En escalado?
Ponedlo siempre, que uno está en muchas otras cosas.
Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 3.2994% / 0.03299388
51.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
29.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
13.8 BEL_Loschbour
5.0 MAR_Taforalt
0.4 MWI_Hora_9000BP
Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 3.4631% / 0.03463117 | ADC: 0.25x
53.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
30.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
12.4 BEL_Loschbour
3.8 MAR_Taforalt
Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 4.8988% / 0.04898764 | ADC: 0.5x
60.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
25.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
14.4 SWE_Motala_HG
Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 7.6299% / 0.07629878 | ADC: 1x
66.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
32.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.8 SWE_Motala_HG
Qué es esto? MWI_Hora_9000BP
SWE Motala HG ya me lo había visto en otras calculadoras como también Loschbour, pero este MWi no lo había visto nunca.
Tepecik no se deberia usar si usas natufian, pero este es Barcin + Natufian, lo puedes modelar si quieres. Hay que usar las referencias mas puras que se pueda, que si no, dan resultados que no son precisos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Defcon2
Ninguna referencia es pura, tampoco sabemos el motivo por el cual el creador del G25 utiiza Tepecik y en tu calculadora los hace aparentar menos europeos de lo que son.Quote:
Originally Posted by Celtíbero Itálico
Hay referencias puras, claro que sí, lo único que hay es que saber cuáles son y la historia detrás de ellas. Tepecik es Barcin + Natufian, si tu quieres saber si eres farmer europeo o farmer levantino, tienes que usar estas 2 y no una mezcla. Esas muestras de españoles que saqué son los mas outlier, generalmente marcan en promedio 95% europeo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Defcon2
Que os sale en esta calculadora? http://g25world.genetics.ovh/african-ancestry.htm
Target: Xabier_scaled
Distance: 2.6250% / 0.02624966
99.4 West_Euro
0.6 NorthAfrican
Supongo que a gixajo le saldra 100 europeo
Supongo que tendremos un concepto de pureza distinto, para mí todos están relacionados entre ellos de alguna u otra forma. Esta es la posición de cada uno en el global:Quote:
Originally Posted by Celtíbero Itálico
Dos de ellos son más vascos y tres más norteños que yo, los únicos más alejados serían un gallego, el extremeño y el canario. Tampoco es que sean extraños dentro de lo que cabe.
https://i.imgur.com/ZtoYYC8.png
Target: Viriato_scaledQuote:
Originally Posted by Spaniard 2.0
Distance: 2.4758% / 0.02475832
96.8 West_Euro
3.2 NorthAfrican
Yo casi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spaniard 2.0
Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 3.2161% / 0.03216077
98.8 West_Euro
1.0 WestAfrican_Mandingo
0.2 SouthAfrican_Bushman
Hay componentes que poco estan relacionados entre si, WHG no tiene nada que ver con Yamnaya, por ejemplo, o Barcin no tiene nada que ver con Taforalt. Por supuesto que todos venimos de Africa, pero el asunto esta en que estas haciendo una estimacion etnica trazando una linea de tiempo, y para tener numeros lo mas ajustados a la realidad posibles, no puedes usar esto:Quote:
Originally Posted by Defcon2
Target: Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
Distance: 3.2030% / 0.03202978
73.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
11.6 Levant_Natufian
7.4 GEO_CHG
6.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
1.0 BEL_Loschbour
Ese componente por ejemplo no te esta dando en realidad tu neolitico de farmer y te esta quitando lo que posiblemente tengas de natufian, encima que te quita componentes relacionados con CHG.
Para explicarme mejor, mira el Samara que han estado usando sacando con el average:
Target: Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
Distance: 1.6657% / 0.01665733
87.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
3.8 RUS_Karelia_HG
2.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
2.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
1.6 SWE_Motala_HG
1.2 Levant_Natufian
0.8 BEL_Loschbour
He estado trabajando todos estos dias en filtrar los componentes mas puros que hay, de cada muestra, y los resultados mas cercanos a la realidad te los va a dar el model que saque.
Al final cada quien se modela como quiere y confia en lo que uno hace.
Target: Alejandro_scaledQuote:
Originally Posted by Spaniard 2.0
Distance: 2.3030% / 0.02303047
87.0 West_Euro
7.8 East_Euro
5.0 NorthAfrican
0.2 SouthAfrican_Bushman
Target: gixajo_scaledQuote:
Originally Posted by Spaniard 2.0
Distance: 2.3969% / 0.02396852
100.0 West_Euro
Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 2.3969% / 0.02396852
100.0 West_Euro
Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 2.6108% / 0.02610811 | ADC: 1x
100.0 West_Euro
Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 2.4282% / 0.02428168 | ADC: 0.5x
100.0 West_Euro
Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 2.4020% / 0.02401996 | ADC: 0.25x
100.0 West_Euro
Distance to: gixajo_scaled
0.02761609 West_Euro
0.04584494 West_Euro
0.07082377 West_Euro
0.07220253 West_Euro
0.07427512 East_Euro
0.08279618 West_Euro
0.11755621 East_Euro
0.21047783 NorthAfrican
0.27245283 NorthAfrican
0.56752572 Cushitic
0.71990423 EastAfrican_Nilotic
0.73121092 EastAfrican_Bantu
0.73904863 WestAfrican_Mandingo
0.75270687 SouthAfrican_Bantu
0.76546303 WestAfrican_Yoruba
0.85708106 SouthAfrican_Bushman
Target: gixajo_scaledQuote:
Originally Posted by Celtíbero Itálico
Distance: 3.6746% / 0.03674645
54.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
28.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
14.2 BEL_Loschbour
3.0 MAR_Taforalt
Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 7.4582% / 0.07458201 | ADC: 1x
68.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
30.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
2.0 SWE_Motala_HG
Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 4.6161% / 0.04616057 | ADC: 0.5x
60.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
23.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
15.4 SWE_Motala_HG
Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 3.8513% / 0.03851303 | ADC: 0.25x
56.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
28.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.8 BEL_Loschbour
3.4 SWE_Motala_HG
1.2 MAR_Taforalt
Esos son 14.2% de puro Mesolitico europeo.Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Acabo de hacer este, y no creo que esté bien: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...e-SCALED/page6
No me sale ninguna población Ibérica en distancias, en las 30 primeras poblaciones.
Deberíamos ganar varios premios a los mas cabezotas del foro pero seguiré: la muestra Natufian que estás usando tiene un componente bastante importante de Iberomaurusian por lo que se lo está endosando gratuitamente a las muestras españolas supuestamente extrañas que tu decías antes. Me parece que esto indica lo que dije, todos están relacionados de una forma u otra.Quote:
Originally Posted by Celtíbero Itálico
Target: Levant_Natufian:I1072
Distance: 8.4276% / 0.08427610
80.2 Levant_PPNB
19.8 MAR_Iberomaurusian
A ver que me sacas ahora.
Yo lo veo como tú, me parecen unas muestras de individuos bastante normalitos en general. Incluso el Canario para Canarias es normalito, igual en la península se sale algo de la media, pero habrá peninsulares con porcentajes semejantes a cascoporro también, sin ser una norma.Quote:
Originally Posted by Defcon2
Distance: 8.4276% / 0.08427610Quote:
Originally Posted by Defcon2
Muchisima distancia, esto podria tomarse como un componente solito e indendiente. Ten en cuenta tambien que te tiene que dar algun resultado, formar algo en el espacio, y no hay lugar a dudas que Natufian e Iberomaurusian estan relacionados porque estos mismos hasta comparten haplogrupos (E1b).
Ahora, otra cosa, el Pre-Pottery-Neolithic es una mezcla de Natufian y Barcin xD por eso nadie usa estos componentes. Mira esto:
Target: Levant_PPNB
Distance: 4.3300% / 0.04329979
52.8 Levant_Natufian
41.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
6.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
Y de extra, modelando mi natufian con el resto de mi modelo:
Target: Levant_Natufian:I1072
Distance: 14.7411% / 0.14741125
59.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
37.0 MAR_Taforalt
3.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
Mas puro no podria ser.
Haced el que puse un enlace, a ver si solo es a mí que me hace romano en vez de Ibérico.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...e-SCALED/page6
Es que se me olvido comentar tambien eso, no dejan de ser españoles, solo estan algo diferenciados de la media, pero la media que es? El promediar a todas las muestras españolas, eso incluyen tanto los que marquen 99%~100% como los que marquen 90%~91%.Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Yo no soy purista, de hecho, me gusta el picante en algunos resultados (como los mios).