Is Haplogroup I-M170 a white haplogroup

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Originally Posted by Loki

It was in Egypt before it was in Greece. Greece owes Egypt a lot. Bearers of E1b1b in both cases.

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E1b1b probably came to Greece before the beginning of ancient Egyptian civilization. In reality, Egyptians didn't really influence Greeks much.

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What were the Phoenicians, I wonder? Probably also borrowed from Egypt.

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Phoenicians I guess were close to ancient Israelites.

It is interesting that civilization developed independently in China as well roughly at this time.

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

No...that's not true at all. Egypt is much later than the mycenaen greeks, and they were not even the first greek culture. Greece had farming 7500 years ago according to latest archaeology.

Egypt is really pretty new as far as ancient civilizations go. Pyramids are about 4k years old and that is VERY new.

Megalithic period is way, way older than egypt and in many ways probably more advanced. Malta, Ireland, North Africa, France, mycenaean greece (and sunken off the coast of egypt, as well). All these places built stuff that puts the pyramids to shame in many respects, both in overall size and in the size of individual blocks.

There's signs of ancient farming by the natufians 12k years ago in modern day israel and they were probably e1b, though. But there's also sign of possible farming 14k years ago in anatolia, and 12K years ago in china. Looks more and more like Egyptian civilization actually got started in north africa right as the sahara was drying up and becoming a desert again. So I would not be sure that they were e1b originally at all (which probably originates in levant or somewhere even further into eurasia).

E1b is definitely not originally a "black" clade as it's only recently darkened up, but it's definitely not white in the sense we'd think of it, probably more "caucasoid". Of course if your ancestors lived in a black or white area long enough that's what you will end up.

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No, Egypt is not much later than Mycenaean Greeks.

I was going to correct some of the rest but just pointing out the above should allow people if they didn't know already be aware you're dumb as shit. You can't even get something very basic right, as in which civilization is older.

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Originally Posted by Smeagol

E1b1b probably came to Greece before the beginning of ancient Egyptian civilization. In reality, Egyptians didn't really influence Greeks much.



Phoenicians I guess were close to ancient Israelites.

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Yar, agree on both counts.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...42#post2279942

Actually it was 9k years ago in greece. That's the oldest continuous farming known except for south china.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Frank Grimes

No, Egypt is not much later than Mycenaean Greeks.

I was going to correct some of the rest but just pointing out the above should allow people if they didn't know already be aware you're dumb as shit. You can't even get something very basic right, as in which civilization is older.

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Earliest farming in egypt: 7k years ago.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...t-farming.html

Earliest farming in greece, over 9k years ago:
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/12...c-initial.html

You really are an amazing shit for brains, you worthless fuck.

Actually I guess I should not have said mycenaean greek but aegean and pre agean greek...whatever. Mycenaean greek is a continuation of the same thing, whereas athenian greece is not.

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Originally Posted by Smeagol

E1b1b probably came to Greece before the beginning of ancient Egyptian civilization. In reality, Egyptians didn't really influence Greeks much.

Phoenicians I guess were close to ancient Israelites.

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E1b is not necessarily anything to do with either originally. The greeks themselves talk about j2 being their origin but that is doubtful. It's actually pretty clear that e1b came with the athenian greeks. It hasn't been there all along, or it would be spread through the whole balkans evenly which it isn't.

The neolithic farmers that came to central europe are NOT related to the greeks, they come thousands of years later and from another direction. They are probably not related to egyptians either.

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Originally Posted by Loki

It is interesting that civilization developed independently in China as well roughly at this time.

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http://courtneyhouse.com/wp-content/...t-ddutbncu.jpg

All kidding aside I think it was aliens.

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

Earliest farming in egypt: 7k years ago.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...t-farming.html

Earliest farming in greece, over 9k years ago:
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/12...c-initial.html

You really are an amazing shit for brains, you worthless fuck.

Actually I guess I should not have said mycenaean greek but aegean and pre agean greek...whatever. Mycenaean greek is a continuation of the same thing, whereas athenian greece is not.

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Where did I say anything about farming? You really got me on something I didn't comment on at all; good job. Should we throw it up to your reading disability?

I only spoke of your comment about Mycenaen Greek civilization being older than Egypt comment. Even you agree with me after a quick google search I was right but instead of acknowledging I'm right you pretend I said something I didn't.

Tell me again I have shit fr brains, while "correcting me" on something I didn't say.

Oh yes, Egypt is such a young civilization, lolz.

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Originally Posted by Longbowman

E1b is originally African. Only certain northern clades are white or Caucasian.

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It's not likely to be african in origin, its brother clade is in india and it didn't make it to SSA until historic times FFS....

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Originally Posted by Longbowman

The sunken ruins off Egypt's coast are ancient Egyptian - these ruins have simply been claimed by shifting coastlines.

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It's part of an ancient society that's completely unrelated to the pyramid builders and doesn't center in Egypt and is also caucasoid....

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Originally Posted by Longbowman

As for the rest, yes, farming started out a few thousand years before Europe in a couple of places. However, the wisdom on the subject is when it arrived in Europe around 5,500BC it came to the Balkans via Anatolia via E1b1b and possibly J and G, too. E1b1b managed to establish itself across Europe spreading agriculture.

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No, that is wrong on many counts. J was already in europe, and most of the neolithic farmers spreading into europe were G. E1B's role is not that clear but it's now clear that even if it were neolithic farmers, the ones coming into europe over land from the east are not related to the ones in the balkans which came much earlier....