R1a haplogroup may have originated in Iran

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Originally Posted by Argang

Z93 is not present in the Volga region now except as an invasive element (Tatars).

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There are Hungarian Z93 samples, 4,3% of the total Hungarian R1a sample is Z93!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mowiRN58en...s1600/R1a1.png

Yes, we were Western Siberian peoples once (Tobol, Ishim region), but not Altaic!

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Originally Posted by blogen

There are Hungarian Z93 samples, 4,3% of the total Hungarian R1a sample is Z93!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mowiRN58en...s1600/R1a1.png

Yes, we were Western Siberian peoples once (Tobol, Ishim region), but not Altaic!

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They had Hungarian samples in the Underhill et al paper too, and the R1a-Z93 frequencies were not really different from other European populations, there were a couple but they might be outliers and there's no telling where and when it came from. Tatars were clearly differentiated from Volga populations in their Z93-frequency.

In that study you posted, it seems that roma have lots of Z93, and they certainly didn't come from Siberia or Central Asia.

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Originally Posted by Argang

They had Hungarian samples in the Underhill et al paper too, and the R1a-Z93 frequencies were not really different from other European populations, there were a couple but they might be outliers and there's no telling where and when it came from. Tatars were clearly differentiated from Volga populations in their Z93-frequency.

In that study you posted, it seems that roma have lots of Z93, and they certainly didn't come from Siberia or Central Asia.

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Nothing came out of there because no one lived in central asia! And there were only very small populations in siberia.

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Originally Posted by blogen

The absolute majority of the R1a carriers are very swarthy South Asians. And great part of the R1a carriers are swarthy* Europids and Europo-Mongoloids. Only a small minority between the R1a carriers are white.

*Swarthy = Not blond, whites = blondes!




The paternal and maternal lineages not connect to the physical character and many changes happened since its spread. Mixation with light color complexed peoples or depigmentation of the neolithic R1a newcomers and their descendants in the temperate latitudes, etc. The human colours change quickly.

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Genotype does not equal Phenotype and R1a proves that examplifies that. As usual you own the thread Blogen lol.

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Originally Posted by Rambo07

Genotype does not equal Phenotype and R1a proves that examplifies that. As usual you own the thread Blogen lol.

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What a joke. R1a obviously doesn't come from India.

I'm Z93+ R1a from England, a rare breed indeed. I'm not surprised at this theory, my y-dna specifically propably does trace back to eastern Iran.

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2014/03...gins-of-y.html



I am not surprised in some ways, but am surprised in others. R1a origin in Iran is not too shocking to me, they are basically scythians really. Some people might get butthurt at the obvious proof middle east is originally a super whitey zone, but what else is new.

The super young age seems crazy, though. I mean we already have r1a samples pretty far back, but whatever - these issues will be resolved in time with more sampling, I guess. I don't really buy into moleculat clock idea, but it could be that many y-dna mutations are NOT neutral and selection could lead to very rapid promulgation of them.

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I really doubt R1a originated in Iran. R1a1 has been found in the Corded ware culture(nearly identical distribution to R1a Z282) and in early Indo Iranians. Iranians are not Scythians.

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Originally Posted by Fire Haired

I really doubt R1a originated in Iran. R1a1 has been found in the Corded ware culture(nearly identical distribution to R1a Z282) and in early Indo Iranians. Iranians are not Scythians.

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Scythians covered the whole area. What's there today makes no difference to the origins. If you look at haplogroup map of all of R it centers in Iran and has a hollow spot there. Wonder what happened? Oh yeah muslims happened.

J and other crap don't originate there, they are invasive obviously.

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

Scythians covered the whole area. What's there today makes no difference to the origins. If you look at haplogroup map of all of R it centers in Iran and has a hollow spot there. Wonder what happened? Oh yeah muslims happened.

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What Y DNA came from Muslims, plus i see little evidence of major Arab ancestry in admixture results of Iranians. What Y DNA R map? Iranians are not mainly descendants from Sycthians who were known for red hair, and probably closely related to Andronovo, Caucasoid tarim mummies, and Tocherians.

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Originally Posted by Fire Haired

I don't understand that. What Y DNA R map? Iranians are not mainly descendants from Sycthians who were known for red hair, and probably closely related to Andronovo, Caucasoid tarim mummies, and Tocherians.

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Scythians covered whole areas of Iran. Just because they don't today, doesn't mean they don't come from there.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...stribution.png

WHERE IS THE CENTER? Here's a hint, 80% of the more nothern part is often covered in ice so it probably didn't come from there.

If it didn't come from roughly the center area then there must have been some very funny migrations is near modern times.