Celto- Germanic Heritage! British blood at its best!

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Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley

Can you read the plots? The closest populations to the Irish are West Scots and Orcadians but they are very close to all the North West European populations. They aren't anymore descended from Basques than the Dutch for example.

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As somebody of Western Scottish heritage, all I can say to that is thank God!! I'm rather of the opinion at this point that Europe is like a huge tribe with close clans clustering genetically together. It's nice to feel like you're a part of something bigger than yourself, you know?

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Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley

Can you read the plots? The closest populations to the Irish are West Scots and Orcadians but they are very close to all the North West European populations. They aren't anymore descended from Basques than the Dutch for example.

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Oh i see now. Had to study it a bit more closely. What are Dutch closest to?

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Originally Posted by Cody Gearhart

But they do have more Germanic influence due to anglo-saxons which came from southern jutland? Correct me if i'm wrong.

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The Anglo-Saxon invasion is nowadays thought to be more of a cultural change than a genetic change. In even the most highly occupied areas the average Englishman carries at most 20% of the DNA from the invaders. There's a thin topsoil of Germanic DNA on the bedrock of Celtic Briton DNA to loosely paraphrase a quote from geneticist Bryan Sykes.

The indigenous ancestral NW European peoples are all very closely related though.

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Originally Posted by Jägerstaffel

The Anglo-Saxon invasion is nowadays thought to be more of a cultural change than a genetic change. In even the most highly occupied areas the average Englishman carries at most 20% of the DNA from the invaders. There's a thin topsoil of Germanic DNA on the bedrock of Celtic Briton DNA to loosely paraphrase a quote from geneticist Bryan Sykes.

The indigenous ancestral NW European peoples are all very closely related though.

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Hmm interesting. Thats surprising for me i guess. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Graham

That link Neon, doesn't deserve to be in the genetic section. Posting propaganda politics from last September. That stuff is really depressing to me. :(

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It did link in with what Madadh-Allaidh said in the later part of his post. No more misplaced than your thread about Scottish council tax laws in the general news section, but much more interesting :cool:

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Originally Posted by Jägerstaffel

The Anglo-Saxon invasion is nowadays thought to be more of a cultural change than a genetic change. In even the most highly occupied areas the average Englishman carries at most 20% of the DNA from the invaders. There's a thin topsoil of Germanic DNA on the bedrock of Celtic Briton DNA to loosely paraphrase a quote from geneticist Bryan Sykes.

The indigenous ancestral NW European peoples are all very closely related though.

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The English in general (not just the south-east) have about 45 to 50% German/Scandinavian type DNA but the Welsh and Scots have similar amounts as well, so the problem is trying to work out how much of the Germanic stuff was already in the Celtic/Roman Britons before the AngloSaxons and Vikings came. But the two most recent studies both estimated a contribution of around 25% from post-Roman invaders/immigrants. That seems a reasonable guess to me, taking into consideration the change in language and culture during the Dark Age.

I've posted this map a few times but you might have missed it: http://i657.photobucket.com/albums/u...pswv58tnlo.jpg

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Originally Posted by Neon Knight

The English in general (not just the south-east) have about 45 to 50% German/Scandinavian type DNA but the Welsh and Scots have similar amounts as well, so the problem is trying to work out how much of the Germanic stuff was already in the Celtic/Roman Britons before the AngloSaxons and Vikings came. But the two most recent studies both estimated a contribution of around 25% from post-Roman invaders/immigrants. That seems a reasonable guess to me, taking into consideration the change in language and culture during the Dark Age.

I've posted this map a few times but you might have missed it: http://i657.photobucket.com/albums/u...pswv58tnlo.jpg

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Wales have the most W Germany but they totally lack one similarity all others have, N & NE France, like it stopped right at the border. It's something that would be of interest to dig further.

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Originally Posted by Neon Knight

The English in general (not just the south-east) have about 45 to 50% German/Scandinavian type DNA but the Welsh and Scots have similar amounts as well, so the problem is trying to work out how much of the Germanic stuff was already in the Celtic/Roman Britons before the AngloSaxons and Vikings came. But the two most recent studies both estimated a contribution of around 25% from post-Roman invaders/immigrants. That seems a reasonable guess to me, taking into consideration the change in language and culture during the Dark Age.

I've posted this map a few times but you might have missed it: http://i657.photobucket.com/albums/u...pswv58tnlo.jpg

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Yeah i think 10-40% with a most likely amount of around 30% was the most recent estimate, and seems reasonable. Also fits with a mass migration as well IMO, given that it's probably been reduced to some extent since those times.

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Originally Posted by Cody Gearhart

I thought Dutch had Frankish blood? And if so how do they still cluster close like that still?

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They do but that's not the point. Groups like Franks/Saxons/Frisians etc and Celtic groups in British Isles/Ireland were probably genetically quite similar and had same/similar sources. That's one of the main reasons why NW Europeans are still genetically very close to each other on these maps.

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Originally Posted by Hevo

They do but that's not the point. Groups like Franks/Saxons/Frisians etc and Celtic groups in British Isles/Ireland were probably genetically quite similar and had same/similar sources. That's one of the main reasons why NW Europeans are still genetically very close to each other on these maps.

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Aha!!! Thank you! That makes so much sense to me now!