The Genomic History Of Southeastern Europe

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Yep.
R1a1a1b2 (R-Z93) (Asia)
R1a1b2a2* (R-M780) occurs at high frequency in South Asia: India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and the Himalayas. The group also occurs at >3% in some Iranian populations and is present at >30% in Roma from Croatia and Hungary.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplog....29_.28Asia.29

It is true Aryan marker though, Gypsies and other groups must have picked it up in contact with Indo-Aryan groups.

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Is R1a-Z93 possibly related to the -Getae groups? From Central Asia to Thrace?

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http://i.imgur.com/0dA3c7B.jpg

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Originally Posted by blondbeast

If j2 Is Illyrian then what is ev13. Trako_serb?

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You mean J2b2-M241 and it's Euro branches can be called as a Illyrian, unlike J2b1-M205 which is more connected to Roman expansion.
E-V13 is highly ''indoeuropeanised'' before it's expansion with Romans, Greeks, Thracians or even Germans.

Sicilians today have some of the lowest, if not the lowest, WHG in Europe. Therefore, these samples must predate CHG genes in Europe, and imply that the original WHG population has been replaced by Near Eastern input that is comparatively recent.

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"We report new data from hunter-gatherers from France, Sicily and Croatia, as well as higher
246 coverage data from three previously published hunter-gatherers from France and Germany.18
247 The Sicilian and Croatian individuals dating to 12,000 and 6100 BCE cluster closely with
248 western hunter-gatherers, including individuals from Loschbour24 (Luxembourg, 6100 BCE),
249 Bichon20 (Switzerland, 11,700 BCE), and Villabruna18 (Italy 12,000 BCE). These results
250 demonstrate that the “western hunter-gatherer” population24 was widely distributed from the
251 Atlantic seaboard of Europe in the West, to Sicily in the South, to the Balkan Peninsula in the
252 Southeast, for at least six thousand years, strengthening the evidence that the western hunter-
253 gatherers represent a population that expanded from a southeastern European refugium
254 following the last Ice Age around 15,000 years ago–in the process displacing or admixing
255 with the existing population of western Europe.18 38"

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Originally Posted by Xhak Bauër

Is R1a-Z93 possibly related to the -Getae groups? From Central Asia to Thrace?

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http://i.imgur.com/0dA3c7B.jpg

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Possible :D
I also think the Bulgars must have carried some Z93, but we'd need ancient samples for that :)

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Originally Posted by Sikeliot

Sicilians today have some of the lowest, if not the lowest, WHG in Europe. Therefore, these samples must predate CHG genes in Europe, and imply that the original WHG population has been replaced by Near Eastern input that is comparatively recent.

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The sample from Sicily is in the mesolithic, the surprising part (or not) is they were exactly like the other mesolithic WHG back then, even in Sicily, so yea extremely different than today population but that predates by long all the neolithic and bronze age influences that came much later.

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Originally Posted by Xhak Bauër

Seems to be the case & it's rare nowadays in Europe.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...78d8fa6711.png

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it is indo european most likely.

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Originally Posted by Petalpusher

The sample from Sicily is in the mesolithic, the surprising part (or not) is they were exactly like the other mesolithic WHG back then, even in Sicily, so yea extremely different than today population but that predates by long all the neolithic and bronze age influences that came much later.

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So this means the population in Sicily as of 6000 BC has been almost completely replaced, since WHG ancestry is very low there. The next wave of migration from the Caucasus must then be the predominant one.

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Originally Posted by Xhak Bauër

I'd say it's harder to pinpoint migratory patterns in mtDNA.

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It's not unless you take a coding region mtdna test

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Originally Posted by Ylla

Which mtDNA would you associate with Slavs?

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U4d2, U5a1

Zemunica Cave, Croatia E-L618 (7600-7470 ybp), father clade of E-V13.