Iron Age Croatia ?

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Yes, this prove non Slavic Balkanites were also changed since ancient times, more than they would admit.
I would like these samples too.

And Roman era ones. Because I believe Illyrians became more southern than these samples after romanisation.
Latin language always come with some admix, look at Iberia. But in Balkan it was probably less severe.

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You have to bear in mind that we still have no ancient samples from Southern Illyria, Epirus or Macedonia. Albanians largely trace their descent(autosomally speaking) from Southern Illyrians. Whilst the North and Dalmatian Illyrians were probably shifted further north and west(as todays populations).

Of course later admixtures shifted further north and east. However, this is largely anecdotal. It is ultimately irrelevant. Albanians largely possess native Illyrian West Balkan YDNA lineages. Proto-Illyrian YDNA was J2b-L283. The parent clade to V13 near Split and Bronze Age R1b in Bosnia. All 3 of these lineages are the majority in Albanians as a whole(varying region to region). Regardless of the "shift", most Albanians are directly Illyrian via paternal descent.

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Originally Posted by MagnusDark

You have to bear in mind that we still have no ancient samples from Southern Illyria, Epirus or Macedonia. Albanians largely trace their descent(autosomally speaking) from Southern Illyrians. Whilst the North and Dalmatian Illyrians were probably shifted further north and west(as todays populations).

Of course later admixtures shifted further north and east. However, this is largely anecdotal. It is ultimately irrelevant. Albanians largely possess native Illyrian West Balkan YDNA lineages. Proto-Illyrian YDNA was J2b-L283. The parent clade to V13 near Split and Bronze Age R1b in Bosnia. All 3 of these lineages are the majority in Albanians as a whole(varying region to region). Regardless of the "shift", most Albanians are directly Illyrian via paternal descent.

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And we are Slavic, but obviously we are not pure Slavs neither are you pure Illyrian. Nothing wrong with that,

I still don't understand how it it possible I am so close to average on G25 and posess even more simplistic mix than typical Croat.
My mother is only half Croat.

Extremely weird and mysterious.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

And we are Slavic, but obviously we are not pure Slavs neither are you pure Illyrian. Nothing wrong with that,

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Of course. However, I am merely saying people are jumping the gun with regards to the shift. To assume Illyrians were genetically homogeneous all over is wrong. Romans did as they always do(lump groups together). There certainly was genetic deviation region to region as you have among population genetics results today. Naturally Illyrians in Dalmatia will be a little different than those in Albania, ,Macedonia, Kosova etc. They were more in contact with Italic/Celtic tribes on their western periphery. So the shift is no mystery. This is why we look at YDNA to better understand the migratory patterns of a specific clade and try and fill the blanks in as data presents itself.

If southern Illyrians plot as southwest as the Dalmatian samples then we can talk about how big a impact admixture had.

Theres also random recombination events generationally. Some admixtures can be selected for over others.

Tried using different early Slav sample from Bohemia, fit is slightly worse than with Szolad (and with Iron Age Croatia instead of Dalmatia MBA is horrific), again just Slav + Balkan, Roman input is 0.

https://i.imgur.com/gidKfjP.png

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

"sample": "Custom:Feodora_scaled",

"fit": 3.3016,
"HUN_Avar_Szolad": 72.5,
"ITA_Collegno_MA_o1": 20.83,
"HRV_Early_IA": 6.67,

Yeah, bad fit for me, worsened compared to this one:

"fit": 2.9161,

"HUN_Avar_Szolad": 60.83,
"HRV_MBA": 39.17,

I don't know the reason. Looks like I am less Slavic and less Roman than average Croat, but more simplistic Slavo-Illyrian mix 60:40 ?
Not sure I understand this too well.

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thats what i get

"fit": 2.1099,
"HUN_Avar_Szolad": 62.5,
"ITA_Collegno_MA_o1": 30.83,
"HRV_Early_IA": 6.67

"fit": 3.2097,
"HUN_Avar_Szolad": 56.67,
"HRV_MBA": 43.33

btw is this on the auto nmonte run for k36 ancient? or is this a self-run nmonte? I could post my G25 if someone could run me.

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Originally Posted by Dickski

thats what i get

"fit": 2.1099,
"HUN_Avar_Szolad": 62.5,
"ITA_Collegno_MA_o1": 30.83,
"HRV_Early_IA": 6.67

"fit": 3.2097,
"HUN_Avar_Szolad": 56.67,
"HRV_MBA": 43.33

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Edit: seen wrongly

Your first model has great fit, obviously it work for you. :thumb001:
Suprised how much Roman and how little Illyrian you have :D

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Originally Posted by MagnusDark

btw is this on the auto nmonte run for k36 ancient? or is this a self-run nmonte? I could post my G25 if someone could run me.

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Here, but its a pain if youre on your phone

http://185.144.156.77:3000/

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Originally Posted by MagnusDark

btw is this on the auto nmonte run for k36 ancient? or is this a self-run nmonte? I could post my G25 if someone could run me.

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yes, we are using this (me at least): http://185.144.156.77:3000/