Serbian Autosomal DNA

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Originally Posted by CommonSense

A century ago mixing was strict taboo and such people were very rare. Now, regretably, everything is upside down and even one such person (Ceca) gets called 'Serbian mother'. Of course, if someone scores like 5% South Asian, they won't be counted neither here, nor on academic studies.

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Ceca is 1/4 Gypsy origin as far as I know. She is not called "Serbian mother" because of music or origin but from time when she was married for Arkan, Serbian military commander from 90s so he managed to make her a star. And most important nobody took that nickname for serious.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

i know of 3 Serb results with recent gipsy admixture, like 1/2 or 1/4 from Vojvodina and Central Serbia. i didn't include them.

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Do you have that results? It would be interesting to see them.

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Originally Posted by Moje ime

Ceca is 1/4 Gypsy origin as far as I know.

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She's not.

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Originally Posted by The Devil's Advocate

She's not.

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But what is she? I know that official version.

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Originally Posted by Moje ime

But what is she? I know that official version.

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She does not have any known gypsy ancestry.

And that is actually "unofficial" version.

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Originally Posted by Moje ime

Mixing with Gypsies is nowhere a usual thing. Why would that be different in Serbia? Because Ustase said that?

Besides that, for having such wide spread average in a population for any component it needs to be ancient enough. All those components are probably more ancient in Serbian dna than Gypsies on Balkan.

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The same thing i typed could be applied to Hungarians, Romanians and Bulgarians.
Serbia has supposedly about 140000-500000 Gypsies which is a huge number and mixing obviously occured at some point or else they wouldnt be partly Balkan genetically.
Not sure why you mentioned Ustase, I havent ment any offense with my post.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

where's that result from? that's not the same one Ford posted

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I think it's not same result as Ford posted. I think Nikšićain whose K13 Ford posted has little less Baltic than this one, but also over 30%.
Nikšićani are definitely most northern and "Slavic" shifted Montenegrins, significant more northern/"Slavic" than Montenegrin average.

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Originally Posted by Ljubic

The same thing i typed could be applied to Hungarians, Romanians and Bulgarians.
Serbia has supposedly about 140000-500000 Gypsies which is a huge number and mixing obviously occured at some point or else they wouldnt be partly Balkan genetically.
Not sure why you mentioned Ustase, I havent ment any offense with my post.

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They usually have some West Asian admixture but lacking Slavic and northern.
That means they picked it up somewhere else, not here.

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Originally Posted by Ljubic

The same thing i typed could be applied to Hungarians, Romanians and Bulgarians.
Serbia has supposedly about 140000-500000 Gypsies which is a huge number and mixing obviously occured at some point or else they wouldnt be partly Balkan genetically.
Not sure why you mentioned Ustase, I havent ment any offense with my post.

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Gypsies in Serbia are "citizens" of third order. Vast majority of them live isolated in own settlements. Serbs and other people in Serbia see Gypsies as alien people different in every sense, and often as subhumans.

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

Gypsies in Serbia are "citizens" of third order. Vast majority of them live isolated in own settlements. Serbs and other people in Serbia see Gypsies as alien people different in every sense, and often as subhumans.

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I just need to fix this what Pribislav said since this may sounds wrong. They are normal citizens of this country in the Constitution with all rights and obligations. He speaks about how other people, Serbs in this case, see them as foreign.