How to group Italian samples in order to obtain good references?

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Originally Posted by Rocinante

Noroeste: Lombardia, Bergamo, Liguria y Piamonte.
Noreste: Trento y Veneto.
Centro: Abruzzo, Toscana, Lazio, Apulia, Umbria y Marche.
Cerdeña: Cerdeña.
Sur: Basilicata, Sicilia, Campania y Calabria.

Con eso bastaria, hay una homogeneidad entre referencias por sub-region, pero una vez que te sales de ahi, las cosas o cambian mucho o demasiado.

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Sicilia casa bien con el resto del Sur de Italia?, en MH y así suelen meterlos a todos juntos.

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Originally Posted by gixajo

Pero me refiero con todos los samples, no con uno de cada, además los más distantes.

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Pero eso ya sería hacer trampa :D es normal que con promedios de 100 regiones de los países cercanos obtenga una buena distancia, hay tanta variedad como para representar la ascendencia de todos los europeos incluso.

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 2.6831% / 0.02683102
43.2 Basque_French
23.6 Italian_Lombardy
14.6 Moroccan_North
13.0 Italian_Liguria
5.6 Irish

Target: German
Distance: 1.5331% / 0.01533130
48.2 French_Alsace
39.0 Irish
12.8 French_Seine-Maritime

Target: Romanian
Distance: 2.4872% / 0.02487163
88.2 Italian_Northeast
9.2 French_Seine-Maritime
2.6 Italian_Basilicata

Target: Greek_Thessaly
Distance: 1.2413% / 0.01241328
59.8 Italian_Apulia
34.0 Italian_Northeast
6.2 French_Seine-Maritime

Target: Swedish
Distance: 2.7534% / 0.02753351
100.0 Irish

Target: Croatian
Distance: 3.7600% / 0.03760019
46.6 French_Seine-Maritime
34.0 French_Alsace
19.4 Italian_Northeast

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Originally Posted by Defcon2

Pero eso ya sería hacer trampa :D es normal que con promedios de 100 regiones de los países cercanos obtenga una buena distancia, hay tanta variedad como para representar la ascendencia de todos los europeos incluso.

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Lo que es hacer trampa es coger el sample mas distante de cada país!!!

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Originally Posted by gixajo

Lo que es hacer trampa es coger el sample mas distante de cada país!!!

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Hombre, sirve para probar tu teoría de que escogiendo samples random de cada país cercano podría modelar a todos los españoles, está claro que no. Obviamente una muestra italiana del norte + sur de Francia se podría modelar bastante bien a un español.

I will make a mix between what Samnium, Rocinante and VidFlumina suggested.

I will do it with Campania sample for now.

Doubts are: Adding Sicilia to the South average, and adding or not Bergamo/Lombardia and where, Northwest or NorthEast?


South=Campania+Basilicata+Apulia+Sicilia

Central=Tuscany+Marche+Lazio+Umbria

NorthEast=Veneto-Friuli+TrentinoAltoAdigie+Italian_NorthEast

NorthWest=ValdeAosta+Liguria+Piemonte

Are you agree?

Edit:i added italian NorthEast because I thought Veneto and Friuli were 2 different samples.:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by gixajo

I will make a mix between what Samnium, Rocinante and VidFlumina suggested.

I will do it with Campania sample for now.

Doubts are: Adding Sicilia to the South average, and adding or not Bergamo/Lombardia and where, Northwest or NorthEast?


South=Campania+Basilicata+Apulia+Sicilia

Central=Tuscany+Marche+Lazio+Umbria

NorthEast=Veneto+Friuli+TrentinoAltoAdigie

NorthWest=ValdeAosta+Liguria+Piemonte

Are you agree?

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Una vez hice promedios de Italia separandolos en dos, ahora no me acuerdo de qué muestras utilicé para hacerlo.

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North_Italy,0.1233471,0.14700055,0.03081834,-0.00690665,0.0339204,-0.00273766,0.00223906,0.0016094,0.00958434,0.02398 311,-0.00328104,0.00564268,-0.0121582,-0.00397185,-0.00091271,-0.00268889,-0.00011883,0.00089686,0.00360974,-0.00288958,-0.00114275,0.001513,-0.0008338,0.0032579,-0.00057853
South_Italy,0.10566103,0.14688977,-0.0062129,-0.04125893,0.01543405,-0.01391903,-0.00089583,-0.00134823,0.00612613,0.0212079,0.00195132,0.00317 238,-0.00541833,0.00045687,-0.00693987,-0.00353285,0.00206895,-0.00003228,0.00290978,-0.00455928,-0.00193523,0.001194,-0.00002353,0.00144457,0.0001378

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Originally Posted by Defcon2

Una vez hice promedios de Italia separandolos en dos, ahora no me acuerdo de qué muestras utilicé para hacerlo.

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A tí te suelen salir bastante representativos esos promedios, posiblemente tengan más éxito que los que haga yo, que los usen si quieren.

Si no me dicen nada, voy haciendo los que puse.

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Originally Posted by Defcon2

Una vez hice promedios de Italia separandolos en dos, ahora no me acuerdo de qué muestras utilicé para hacerlo.

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Están cerquita , como debe de ser el tuyo y el mío:

Target: Sout_Italian
Distance: 0.2812% / 0.00281245
100.0 South_Italy_Defcon2


Paso a los del Norte, antes me fumaré un cigarrito en la terraza. :D

Como relaja esto...

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South_Italian,0.10736598,0.14725883,-0.00537531,-0.04065114,0.01536774,-0.01480103,-0.00041355,-0.00131084,0.00544821,0.02098400,0.00147906,0.00318490,-0.00570559,0.00030105,-0.00697726,-0.00277458,0.00198963,-0.00014346,0.00262584,-0.00482755,-0.00234661,0.00195073,0.00064253,0.00137365,0.00009691
NorthEast_Italian,0.12542900,0.14592190,0.03352107,-0.00264457,0.03564947,-0.00060257,0.00285707,0.00234943,0.00940747,0.02095333,-0.00253820,0.00509107,-0.01078937,-0.00234117,-0.00259897,-0.00018743,0.00269963,0.00150253,0.00365313,-0.00328243,-0.00198453,0.00203360,-0.00081240,0.00217507,-0.00182223
Central_Italian,0.11701408,0.14925148,0.00917310,-0.02814708,0.02221933,-0.01003865,0.00044550,-0.00159775,0.00642820,0.02364700,0.00002603,0.00452040,-0.00955638,-0.00467495,-0.00375115,0.00052440,0.00259400,0.00045623,0.00235623,-0.00327855,-0.00208228,0.00226180,-0.00011475,0.00257140,-0.00120693
NorthWest_Italian,0.12070933,0.14655777,0.02910123,-0.00726750,0.03182627,-0.00322107,0.00253410,0.00137310,0.00910150,0.02380610,-0.00491210,0.00471067,-0.01256423,-0.00458970,0.00161273,-0.00296987,-0.00011317,0.00007823,0.00310690,-0.00120490,0.00003520,0.00159713,0.00020753,0.00423140,-0.00031917
Sardinian,0.1216872,0.1672855,0.0284897,-0.0506523,0.060151,-0.0221337,-0.0039523,0.0024964,0.0415743,0.077351,-5.9e-05,0.0166487,-0.0286645,-0.012974,-0.013572,-0.0030013,0.0114027,-0.0013475,0.0016798,-0.0129947,-0.0021212,-0.0011018,-0.010084,-0.021383,0.0003375

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I think it´s done.

https://i.imgur.com/auhZXFz.png

Edit:added corrected coordinate and changed imeage with the new results.

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Originally Posted by gixajo

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Sout_Italian,0.10736598,0.14725883,-0.00537531,-0.04065114,0.01536774,-0.01480103,-0.00041355,-0.00131084,0.00544821,0.02098400,0.00147906,0.00318490,-0.00570559,0.00030105,-0.00697726,-0.00277458,0.00198963,-0.00014346,0.00262584,-0.00482755,-0.00234661,0.00195073,0.00064253,0.00137365,0.00009691
NorthEast_Italian,0.12542900,0.14592190,0.03352107,-0.00264457,0.03564947,-0.00060257,0.00285707,0.00234943,0.00940747,0.02095333,-0.00253820,0.00509107,-0.01078937,-0.00234117,-0.00259897,-0.00018743,0.00269963,0.00150253,0.00365313,-0.00328243,-0.00198453,0.00203360,-0.00081240,0.00217507,-0.00182223
Central_Italian,0.11701408,0.14925148,0.00917310,-0.02814708,0.02221933,-0.01003865,0.00044550,-0.00159775,0.00642820,0.02364700,0.00002603,0.00452040,-0.00955638,-0.00467495,-0.00375115,0.00052440,0.00259400,0.00045623,0.00235623,-0.00327855,-0.00208228,0.00226180,-0.00011475,0.00257140,-0.00120693
NorthWest_Italian,0.12070933,0.14655777,0.02910123,-0.00726750,0.03182627,-0.00322107,0.00253410,0.00137310,0.00910150,0.02380610,-0.00491210,0.00471067,-0.01256423,-0.00458970,0.00161273,-0.00296987,-0.00011317,0.00007823,0.00184990,-0.00120490,0.00003520,0.00159713,0.00020753,0.00423140,-0.00031917
Sardinian,0.1216872,0.1672855,0.0284897,-0.0506523,0.060151,-0.0221337,-0.0039523,0.0024964,0.0415743,0.077351,-5.9e-05,0.0166487,-0.0286645,-0.012974,-0.013572,-0.0030013,0.0114027,-0.0013475,0.0016798,-0.0129947,-0.0021212,-0.0011018,-0.010084,-0.021383,0.0003375

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I think it´s done.

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0.03973366 NorthWest_Italian
0.04104727 NorthEast_Italian
0.04930885 Central_Italian
0.06570161 Sout_Italian
0.09738753 Sardinian

Distance: 3.8783% / 0.03878300
43.6 NorthEast_Italian
40.6 NorthWest_Italian
9.2 Sout_Italian
6.6 Sardinian

Interesante.