Brand new genetic study on the origins of Huns, Avars and Hungarian Conquerors

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Originally Posted by Blondie

You still didn't answer for these hard questions, what are facts and refute you. If you want to say that conquerors had uralic genetic origin, then you must post a genetic result of conqurors when they were mostly uralic, but there is no such thing, the genetic results showed a different pic:



http://doktori.bibl.u-szeged.hu/id/e...is_english.pdf

even the MTA (Hungarian Academy of Sciences) said "we have no finno-ugric origin, only our language is finno-ugric":

https://mta.hu/tudomany_hirei/nem-mi...nyeirol-108820

Every serious scientist and prof agree that conquerors had turkic ethnic origin not finno-ugric.

And there is other candidate population, the hungarus what Anonymus mentioned. The spanish example is bullshit because the latinization of America happened for centuries, it was pretty long process (unlike the hungarian case), there were schools, and the national identity was much stronger than in the 9. century. In fact, most of native americans learned spanish only between the 19-18 century when the national awakening started, before that they used mostly the local tribal language.

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This is the most pathetic and in the same time truly autistic argument that I read in quite a while. Are you that blind to see that the authors of this present study I based this thread upon was written by the same scientific team from MKI than the one you posted in the first link. This 2022 study overwrites the previous conclusion this very same team has made in 2017. Surprise-surprise, actually science keeps reassessing their conclusions in the result of new discoveries. But how would such a very troubled mind like you even understand the 101s of science. I will quote it again so maybe you will actually give a damn to read what was the conclusion of the current paper:

"The “immigrant core” of the conquering Hungarians derived from an earlier admixture of Mansis, early Sarmatians and descendants of late Xiongnus. In addition, we detected shared Hun-related ancestry in numerous Avar and Hungarian conquest period genetic outliers indicating a genetic link between these successive nomadic groups. Aside from the immigrant core groups we identified that the majority of the individuals from each period were local residents, harboring “native European” ancestry"

"From proximal sources Conq_Asia_Core1 could be consistently modelled from 50% Mansi, 35% Early/Late Sarmatian and 15% Scytho-Siberian-outlier/Xiongnu/Hun ancestries, and Conq_Asia_Core2 had comparable models with shifted proportions"

This is very easy English, you can't possibly get its meaning wrong if you read it slowly, try to do so. It is absolutely clear that the main genetic "ingredient" for Hungarian Conquerors were Ugric, Iranian and Turkic people. They also best can be modeled as half Ugric, 1/3 Iranian and 15% Turkic. Genetics simply don't lie, these are the actual finds. You can twist it and bring your own delusional narrative as you want but the hard data is what I just quoted from the article.

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Originally Posted by Turul Karom

where many Hungarian members have non-negligible Turkic results across many calculators.

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Hungarians originally should have been more Conqueror-like. HRE imports of Serbs from Serbia into Hungary changed genetics of Hungarians as far as i know. Many Hungarians are basically Serbs pretending to be Hungarian.

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Originally Posted by Hektor12

Hungarians originally should have been more Conqueror-like. HRE imports of Serbs from Serbia into Hungary changed genetics of Hungarians as far as i know. Many Hungarians are basically Serbs pretending to be Hungarian.

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Less than you think. More Hungarians need to do thorough DNA testing and wake up to who they are.

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Originally Posted by Dunai

Hope you didn't forget to read this paragraph before you so vehemently try to deny the close Hungarian Conqueror-Mansi connection:

"Admixture f3-statistics indicated that the main admixture sources of Conq_Asia_Core1 were Steppe_MLBA populations and ancestors of modern Nganasans. Outgroup f3-statistics revealed that Conq_Asia_Core1 shared highest drift with modern Siberian populations speaking Uralic languages; Nganasan (Samoyedic), Mansi (Ugric), Selkup (Samoyedic) and Enets (Samoyedic), implicating that Conq_Asia_Core shared evolutionary past with language relatives of modern Hungarians. For this reason we co-analyzed Mansis, the closest language relatives of Hungarians with Conq_Asia_Core.
From pre-Iron Age sources Mansis could be qpAdm modelled from 48% Mezhovskaya, 44% Nganasan and 8% Botai19, while Conq_Asia_Core1 from 52%
Mezhovskaya, 13% Nganasan, 20% Altai_MLBA_o13 and 15% Mongolia_LBA_CenterWest_4D15 confirming shared late Bronze Age ancestries of these groups, but also signifying that the Nganasan-like ancestry was largely replaced in Conq_Asia_Core by a Scytho-Siberian-like ancestry including BMAC derived from the Altai-Mongolia region.
From proximal sources Conq_Asia_Core1 could be consistently modelled from 50% Mansi, 35% Early/Late Sarmatian and 15% Scytho-Siberian-outlier/Xiongnu/Hun ancestries, and Conq_Asia_Core2 had comparable models with shifted proportions."

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Yep, this proves beyond any reasonable doubt conquering Hungarians' Ugric core. All other theories, who were already marginal, will be put to rest after this paper.

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Originally Posted by Token

Yep, this proves beyond any reasonable doubt conquering Hungarians' Ugric core. All other theories, who were already marginal, will be put to rest after this paper.

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You're combing over the fact that the academic paper also states that Hungarians are Huns, too. I'd think that this would have gotten the most attention.

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Originally Posted by Hektor12

Hungarians originally should have been more Conqueror-like. HRE imports of Serbs from Serbia into Hungary changed genetics of Hungarians as far as i know. Many Hungarians are basically Serbs pretending to be Hungarian.

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Why specificaly Serbs? There is more Slovak, German and Croat ancestry in Hungary than there is Serb. Serbs massively migrated into Vojvodina which is today not part of Hungary.
Neither is there really widespread Serb ancestry among Hungarians, there is lot more Slovak and German. Serb ancestry is concentrated in few regions and far from being very relevant for ethnogenesis of modern Hungarians.

It's pure nonsense. Most of Slavic ancestry in Hungarians comes from Carpathian Basin native Slavs.

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

It's pure nonsense. Most of Slavic ancestry in Hungarians comes from Carpathian Basin native Slavs.

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Slavs are not native in the Carpathian Basin, they migrated here in the 6. century.

One thing is for sure. The Hungarian conquerors had quite a lot of steppe admixture considering that the majority of their ancestry was derived from Iron Age Siberian and Scytho-Sarmatian populations. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if they more of an affinity to Corded Ware and Yamnaya than even the modern-day Hungarians.