What Modern British Populations are you Closer to (SCALED)

Target: SouthDutch7991_scaled
Distance: 1.65% / 0.01647729
100.0 Welsh



Distance to: SouthDutch7991_scaled
0.01647729 Welsh
0.01849434 English_Cornwall
0.01872883 English
0.02094741 Scottish
0.02188690 Orcadian
0.02495363 Irish
0.02670768 Shetlandic


That's as expected, I always come up closer to Welsh on G25 than anything else except maybe Dutch ( hence the name ). I suspect either the Welsh samples here are skewed towards continental-like Welsh, or Wales in general is way more continental-like.

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Originally Posted by alnortedelsur

I think some ancient population that spread from Iberia was widespread in British Isles (and probably other parts of Western Europe) in the far past (maybe some pre-indo European element that peaks in modern Iberians?), but it was very absorbed/diluted by different waves of more recent Indo-European migrations. South west England and Wales were relatively less exposed to those waves, including Celts, Anglo Saxons, Normans, Viking raids and what not, than the rest of Great Britain and Ireland, due to their particularly isolated location in westernmost corners of Britain, and not facing open sea (contrary to England, the rest of Scotland and Ireland). So, even though, at the end they got a lot of those north/central Euro contributions, that primary pre-Indo-European component (peaking in modern Iberians) wasn't as much absorbed/diluted in there as in the rest of British Isles and Ireland. That's in my humble opinion what would explain them being the closest to Iberians compared to the rest Britain/Ireland.

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He judged the link just by the shared R1B. That's like judging a whole pizza by a piece of pepperoni.

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Originally Posted by Anglo-Celtic

It seems like Southern Europeans are much closer to Cornish and/or Welsh, and much farther from Irish and/or Scottish. Grace will feel vindicated. ;)

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"If it's not Shetlandic, it's crap." - Mike Myers

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Originally Posted by Daco Celtic

"If it's not Shetlandic, it's crap." - Mike Myers

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Where are your Irish results, brother? I'm about ready to call you a Plastic Paddy. ;)

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Originally Posted by Anglo-Celtic

Where are your Irish results, brother? I'm about ready to call you a Plastic Paddy. ;)

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Who knows because this calculator makes my sweet Irish Catholic mom out to be a Scottish islander that was victimized by Vikings (Shetlander). I don't have the heart to tell her the results.

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Originally Posted by Daco Celtic

Who knows because this calculator makes my sweet Irish Catholic mom out to be a Scottish islander that was victimized by Vikings (Shetlander). I don't have the heart to tell her the results.

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A Gael is a Gael. It's past time for the "Mac"s and the "Mc"s to unite with the micks and the Mikes.

Distance to: Grace_scaled
0.01848790 Irish
0.01963632 Scottish
0.01980300 Orcadian
0.02206228 English
0.02219810 Welsh
0.02454052 English_Cornwall
0.02493577 Shetlandic

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.8352% / 0.01835154
76.8 Irish
23.2 Orcadian

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Originally Posted by Anglo-Celtic

It seems like Southern Europeans are much closer to Cornish and/or Welsh, and much farther from Irish and/or Scottish. Grace will feel vindicated. ;)

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It's only because I've looked at genetic distance tables and Gedmatch results etc over the years. That is how I knew Irish and Scots were more distant. It is also logical when you think about it. Places like English Cornwall are closer to the European continent. Also English Cornwall have a higher amount of European Farmer. Ireland is an island off of another island it is going to be more distant to other populations. There are some exceptions though which make it interesting but it could be due to things like ANE being higher etc.

If you look at just what countries are closer and sometimes it's not because of geographic distance I'm interested in why? If you look at Irish and Cornwall below why is Polish closer to the Irish even though Cornwall is less isolated than Ireland? That sort of thing is interesting to me.

https://i.imgur.com/f1UMGUB.png
https://i.imgur.com/w9pUhss.png
https://i.imgur.com/C3kYN2M.png
https://i.imgur.com/HRS6R4F.png

^^^^Grace, I was talking about the alleged closeness to the Basques. Oppenheimer's faddish theory was one of your pet peeves, especially in the days when it was taken as gospel on the forums (a theory, like Jason Voorhees, that just won't die).

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Originally Posted by Anglo-Celtic

He judged the link just by the shared R1B. That's like judging a whole pizza by a piece of pepperoni.

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I don't want to be misunderstood. I don't defend Openhimer old theories or any special British/Irish-Iberian connection, and I know that R1b was brought to western Europe by Indo-European population movements. I'm just saying that there is a pre-Indo European substratum that gets higher the more west you go in Europe, which makes sense, since west Europe is like a last corner from the point of view of Indo-European waves coming from the east. And that pre-Indo European substratum peaks in Iberia (not talking about R1b, or anything of that sort, just saying) for being in the very west of Europe, and having been less affected by Celtic and other Indo-European waves compared to Britain and Ireland. But British and Irish, for their very western position in Europe, have more of that ancient substratum (peaking in SW England and Wales, but more diluted than in modern Iberians) than other northern Europeans.

Basque language would be the only linguistical remain of that ancient pre-Indo European substratum.

If not, then how you explain that Cornish and Welsh (in their more isolated position, without shores to open sea) are the closest Brits to Iberians?