Target: Husband TM_scaled
Distance: 1.8783% / 0.01878264
50.8 Sweden_Viking.SG
16.4 Russia_Viking.SG
15.8 Norway_Viking_o1.SG
11.8 Sweden_Viking_o1.SG
5.2 Denmark_Viking.SG
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Target: Husband TM_scaled
Distance: 1.8783% / 0.01878264
50.8 Sweden_Viking.SG
16.4 Russia_Viking.SG
15.8 Norway_Viking_o1.SG
11.8 Sweden_Viking_o1.SG
5.2 Denmark_Viking.SG
There was no need to even see the spoiler with the distances to modern populations; just seeing the PCA was enough to see it.:pQuote:
Originally Posted by Vessna
It's a model that, like all models, can be interpreted in a certain way.
What I have said does not want "discredit" the model, it merely pretends to clarify what the references labeled as "Vikings" actually are.
And this model does not end up showing any hypothetical Viking percentage, but rather a Balto-Slavic one, and more specifically a modern one.
About using "all the Viking samples together"...we have a bit of everything among those "Viking" individuals:
Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 2.0368% / 0.02036835
38.0 Denmark_EarlyViking.SG
31.6 Sweden_Viking.SG
24.0 Greece_Hellenistic
6.4 Greece_BA
These would be the averages of both, I think these two averages would be more in line with the reality of what those ancient cultural groups might have been like.
And I think that simply an average of only early Swedish Vikings, and maybe also early Norwegians and Viking Danes, would be even more in line with reality.
Distances to modern averages:Code:Ancient_Greeks,0.117941,0.16123,-0.001486,-0.057142,0.026439,-0.022779,-0.00009,-0.003679,0.007766,0.042182,0.005153,0.010156,-0.016103,0.000328,-0.019528,-0.00909,0.009476,0.000115,0.00939,-0.00842,-0.01017,0.002346,-0.000094,0.003115,-0.002508
Vikings,0.127996,0.128416,0.0691,0.05629,0.040811,0.020302,0.004846,0.008213,0.004266,-0.005596,-0.003518,0.001885,-0.004744,-0.003587,0.014179,0.00685,-0.003865,0.001643,0.003094,0.004478,0.004908,0.002486,0.000518,0.009244,0.000184
Distance to: Vikings
0.00819154 Swedish
0.01304155 Danish
0.01379234 Norwegian
0.01541444 German_Hamburg
0.01826431 Icelandic
0.02110487 Dutch
0.02327611 Orcadian
0.02418107 Scottish
0.02540069 Shetlandic
0.02656789 English
Distance to: Ancient_Greeks
0.04078245 Italian_Apulia
0.04152816 Italian_Campania
0.04188799 Greek_Apulia
0.04201469 Greek_Deep_Mani
0.04255510 Italian_Calabria
0.04261651 Italian_Basilicata
0.04331762 Italian_Lazio
0.04427578 Sicilian_East
0.04429038 Italian_Abruzzo
0.04538867 Italian_Molise
Distance to ancient averages:
Distance to: Vikings
0.00928243 Sweden_Viking.SG
0.01195336 Denmark_Zealand_Saxon_Medieval
0.01377538 Denmark_Viking.SG
0.01392129 England_Viking.SG
0.01393331 Denmark_EarlyViking.SG
0.01409869 Norway_Viking.SG
0.01540116 Poland_Weklice_WielbarkCulture_Roman.SG
0.01548035 Iceland_Viking.SG
0.01602199 Iceland_Pre_Christian.SG
0.01608707 Estonia_EarlyViking.SG
Distance to: Ancient_Greeks
0.01432663 Greece_BA_Mycenaean
0.01717132 Bulgaria_EIA
0.01801835 Greece_Delphi_BA_Mycenaean
0.02372548 Spain_Greek_oAegean
0.02400472 Bulgaria_IA
0.02894137 Bulgaria_LIA
0.03143803 Hungary_Transtisza_Maros_EAvar
0.03320281 Italy_Bivio_Roman.SG
0.03519475 Greece_Delphi_IA
0.03544246 Italy_Sardinia_IA_1
I'm sorry if I was a bit of a killjoy.:(
Make average for Balto-Slavic "Vikings" too.Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Original list:
Distance to: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
0.06374831 Viking:VK274_noUDG.SG
0.07141392 Viking:VK19_noUDG.SG
0.07402280 Viking:VK273_noUDG.SG
0.07495232 Viking:VK473_noUDG.SG
0.07851567 Viking:VK53_noUDG.SG
0.08514829 Viking:VK454_noUDG.SG
0.08635675 Viking:VK157_noUDG.SG
0.08705548 Viking:VK309_noUDG.SG
0.08985351 Viking:VK340_noUDG.SG
0.09002499 Viking:VK287_noUDG.SG
Target: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
Distance: 0.0539% / 0.05394980
75.3 Viking
19.6 Greece_BA
5.1 Greece_Archaic
Results when I add Iron Age Scandinavians:Code:Sweden_IA_2.SG:VK522_noUDG.SG,0.129758,0.133034,0.078064,0.06783,0.056934,0.023148,0.000705,0.011076,0.013499,-0.005467,-0.003573,0.00015,-0.005798,-0.008808,0.018865,0.011668,-0.007432,-0.00076,0.004777,0.008254,0.00262,0.005564,-0.002711,0.019159,-0.000359
Sweden_IA.SG:RISE174_noUDG.SG,0.12862,0.126941,0.06939,0.0646,0.035391,0.01757,0.012221,0.003692,0.00225,-0.009659,0.00065,0.002847,-0.008474,0.006606,0.016829,-0.009679,-0.01708,0.006081,0.008296,0.001751,0.001248,0.000247,0.000246,0.006025,-0.000958
Denmark_IA.SG:VK521_noUDG.SG,0.130897,0.131003,0.070899,0.063631,0.0437,0.023148,0.00235,0.014538,0.011044,-0.010752,-0.003897,0.006444,-0.002825,-0.00234,0.021037,0.00053,-0.023208,0.006334,0.006034,0.007253,0.011979,0.011129,-0.001479,0.008314,-0.002036
Denmark_IA.SG:VK532_noUDG.SG,0.124067,0.131003,0.061471,0.069445,0.042162,0.019801,0.003055,0.011307,0.006136,-0.011116,-0.003735,0.009591,-0.005946,-0.006744,0.02253,0.013524,-0.003129,0.010642,0.004148,0.007754,0.005366,0.003215,0.003821,0.018316,0.005149
Norway_IA.SG:VK390_noUDG.SG,0.122929,0.126941,0.07731,0.067507,0.038161,0.028168,0.005875,0.002538,0.003272,-0.005832,-0.006496,0.003747,-0.012933,-0.009496,0.026873,0.007955,-0.009648,0.005448,0.005908,0.010755,0.014474,-0.001237,0.002958,0.00482,0.002994
Norway_IA.SG:VK391_noUDG.SG,0.130897,0.148267,0.084098,0.064277,0.047393,0.021753,0.014806,0.009923,-0.008385,-0.016401,-0.013965,-0.007493,-0.003865,-0.012248,0.022122,0.009812,0.00013,0.004054,-0.009176,-0.000375,0.004118,-0.000124,-0.007641,0.011809,0.010418
Norway_IA.SG:VK418_noUDG.SG,0.12862,0.13405,0.06675,0.059109,0.040931,0.023985,0.01034,0.016615,0.006954,-0.00656,-0.00065,-0.002398,-0.006541,-0.003441,0.03108,-0.004641,-0.033118,0.00076,0.001508,0.002751,0.012977,0.00272,-0.001972,0.005543,-0.004311
Norway_IA.SG:VK523_noUDG.SG,0.127482,0.125926,0.080327,0.069768,0.050779,0.0251,0.001645,0.009,0.005113,-0.013485,-0.000162,0.000749,-0.006392,-0.013074,0.019679,0.013259,-0.003651,-0.003927,0.005279,0.007253,0.006364,0,-0.000986,0.002048,0.003233
Distance to: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
0.04873856 Denmark_IA.SG:VK532_noUDG.SG
0.05214262 Sweden_IA_2.SG:VK522_noUDG.SG
0.05294106 Norway_IA.SG:VK390_noUDG.SG
0.05309785 Denmark_IA.SG:VK521_noUDG.SG
0.05722483 Norway_IA.SG:VK418_noUDG.SG
0.05722686 Norway_IA.SG:VK523_noUDG.SG
0.06051276 Sweden_IA.SG:RISE174_noUDG.SG
0.06246356 Norway_IA.SG:VK391_noUDG.SG
0.06374831 Viking:VK274_noUDG.SG
0.07141392 Viking:VK19_noUDG.SG
Target: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
Distance: 0.0238% / 0.02376479
40.8 Norway_IA.SG
32.9 Sweden_IA_2.SG
22.7 Greece_BA
2.2 Denmark_IA.SG
1.4 Greece_Hellenistic
Target: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
Distance: 0.0255% / 0.02548701 | R2P
75.4 Norway_IA.SG
24.6 Greece_BA
Distance to: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
0.02694935 24.40% Greece_Hellenistic:Ten_Pel_Hel_1 + 75.60% Sweden_IA_2.SG:VK522_noUDG.SG
0.02698080 24.00% Greece_IA:I17962 + 76.00% Norway_IA.SG:VK390_noUDG.SG
0.02713086 26.20% Greece_BA:Amm_Epi_LBA_2 + 73.80% Norway_IA.SG:VK390_noUDG.SG
0.02764086 23.40% Greece_BA:I9041 + 76.60% Sweden_IA_2.SG:VK522_noUDG.SG
0.02788413 23.40% Greece_BA:I13578 + 76.60% Norway_IA.SG:VK390_noUDG.SG
qpAdm (p=0.05 or better is the commonly accepted cut off for a model pass.):
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Gixajo's averages:
Target: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
Distance: 0.0321% / 0.03206809
83.7 Vikings
16.3 Ancient_Greeks
Results with all Vikings from Vessna's post #24:
Target: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
Distance: 0.0108% / 0.01080857 | R4P
35.5 Denmark_Viking.SG
29.7 Sweden_Viking.SG
27.0 Scotland_Viking_o.SG
7.8 Greece_BA
You mean the "selection" made by the OP? Here you have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
They were used in the previous average too.
Here you have:
And distances to Ancient and Modern averages:Code:Balto-Slavic_Vikings,0.127984,0.124193,0.082323,0.074623,0.04218,0.026962,0.010327,0.014382,-0.000337,-0.026408,-0.001342,-0.009001,0.016667,0.025165,-0.009552,-0.000581,-0.000192,-0.00193,0.002895,0.003108,-0.002752,-0.002855,0.007138,-0.005359,-0.000409
Distance to: Balto-Slavic_Vikings
0.01655950 Poland_Viking.SG
0.02541651 Kazakhstan_GoldenHordeEuro.SG
0.02609292 Russia_Viking_o.SG
0.02675980 Hungary_IA_LaTene_o3
0.02819951 Russia_Sunghir_Medieval.SG
0.03503361 Estonia_Medieval.SG
0.03520511 Czech_Medieval
0.03849446 Hungary_Avar_5
0.03853143 Ukraine_Medieval.SG
0.03903918 Estonia_IA.SG
Distance to: Balto-Slavic_Vikings
0.01200460 Lithuanian_PA
0.01284382 Russian_Pskov
0.01288596 Belarusian
0.01357558 Lithuanian_VA
0.01744970 Russian_Smolensk
0.01811543 Lithuanian_VZ
0.01910364 Lithuanian_RA
0.01915056 Russian_Kaluga
0.01930690 Estonian
0.02064004 Russian_Voronez
Actually is a selection made with the criterion of "being close to modern Balts and Northern Slavs, more than " be picked among Baltic Viking samples".
Early Vikings from Baltic (Estonia) were quite Germanic-like and quite similar to the Early Danish Vikings or the Swedish ones:
Distance to: Estonia_EarlyVikingCode:Estonia_EarlyViking,0.131337,0.128252,0.075363,0.065236,0.045706,0.023067,0.00749,0.01057,0.004829,-0.00957,-0.00396,0.000174,-0.002273,-0.001287,0.017455,0.005971,-0.008012,0.001733,0.003418,0.006092,0.008855,0.002082,0.000147,0.011327,0.001572
Denmark_EarlyViking,0.127102,0.131003,0.069202,0.053941,0.042828,0.01836,0.003564,0.006576,0.006886,-0.004434,-0.002328,0.003297,-0.009291,-0.007914,0.022394,0.01222,-0.003694,0.003125,0.002975,0.005294,0.00705,0.0054,-0.000041,0.00964,0.002455
Sweden_Viking,0.127623,0.13023,0.069972,0.05786,0.041429,0.021081,0.005828,0.008826,0.004233,-0.007932,-0.003305,0.000188,-0.001891,0.000995,0.009747,0.004391,-0.003802,0.001442,0.002509,0.003646,0.003414,0.002268,0.001939,0.006315,0.000025
0.01145453 Swedish
0.02191003 Norwegian
0.02222497 Icelandic
0.02238157 Danish
0.02723996 German_Hamburg
0.03295742 Orcadian
0.03347330 Dutch
0.03388590 Shetlandic
0.03393217 Scottish
0.03570113 Irish
Distance to: Sweden_Viking
0.01193392 Swedish
0.01382916 German_Hamburg
0.01978085 Danish
0.02193890 Norwegian
0.02341862 German_East
0.02401005 Czech
0.02489055 Icelandic
0.02725786 Dutch
0.02832166 German
0.02863055 German_Erlangen
Distance to: Denmark_EarlyViking
0.01165128 Norwegian
0.01308926 Danish
0.01719652 Icelandic
0.01810834 Swedish
0.01947466 Dutch
0.02033185 Orcadian
0.02087324 Scottish
0.02211001 Welsh
0.02253054 Irish
0.02307390 English
Over time, the populations mixed so much that they eventually became more similar to the indigenous populations than to those that emerged from the Viking core. Therefore, I'm not saying the samples used by the OP weren't Viking, only that they aren't representative of what we might call an ideal "Viking reference."
The same applies to Romans, Goths, Scythians, etc...:noidea:
Sorry again for derailing the thread, but using the initial references it's like using Visigoths from Granada as a Goth references, who looks more like a modern Canary Islander than a Germanic.:p
Target: Ryo_scaled
Distance: 4.8014% / 0.04801408
76.0 Viking
24.0 Greece_BA
Target: G25K13SimRyoHazuki
Distance: 3.8790% / 0.03879046
74.6 Viking
25.4 Greece_BA
Target: Ryo_scaled
Distance: 1.5121% / 0.01512062
42.2 Sweden_Viking.SG
25.2 Scotland_Viking_o.SG
12.0 Iceland_Viking.SG
10.0 Greece_BA
9.2 Scotland_Viking.SG
0.8 Russia_Viking.SG
0.6 Norway_Viking_o1.SG
Target: G25K13SimRyoHazuki
Distance: 0.4140% / 0.00414017
41.8 Sweden_Viking.SG
20.2 England_Viking.SG
12.6 Russia_Viking.SG
8.8 Scotland_Viking.SG
7.8 Greece_BA
4.8 Denmark_Viking_o1.SG
2.0 Estonia_EarlyViking.SG
0.8 Greece_Hellenistic
0.8 Viking
0.4 Denmark_Viking_o2.SG