Are light traits in Southern Europe due to the northern European admixture ?

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Originally Posted by Reozek

did light eyes/hair in Southern Europe appeared in the bronze age with the indoeuropean migrations from Central-Eastern Europe or they were already present in the indigenous paleolithic/neolithic popoluation ??

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That's pretty much impossible to know.

More like intermediate.

from Tony Frudakis, Ph.D. - Molecular Photofitting: Predicting Ancestry and Phenotype Using DNA p. 424 (Google books)

"NOR1 admixture greater than or equal to 35% (row 2) and NOR1+NOR2 combined admixture greater than 45% (row 4) is strongly assiocated with iris color scores greater than 2.2 (Light) , which corresponds to color scores above the mean for individuals of majority European ancestry , and includes the light hazels , greens , and blues. In contrast , MIDEA and SA admixture leveles were individually associated with color scores below 2.2 (Dark) , corresponding to color scores below the mean (dark hazels , browns , blacks)"

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Originally Posted by Peyrol

Btw, light eyes for single italian regions...as you can see, more south you go, less light eyers you can see.



Veneto/Friuli 41,4%
Piemonte/Valle d'Aosta 40%
Lombardia 37,2%
Liguria 29,6%
Emilia-Romagna 31,2%
Umbria 32,8%
Toscana 31,5%
Marche 31,3%
Lazio 26,2%
Abruzzo/Molise 28,5%
Campania 25,6%
Puglia 26,4%
Sicilia (isola) 23,7%
Basilicata 23,1%
Calabria 19,6%

Sardegna (isola) 13,9%

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Spain

http://w11.zetaboards.com/ethnodiver...pic/7720154/1/

Study 2 : Hoyos-Sánz

Fair-eyes color (includes blue, greenish and grey) :

Vasco-Navarra 39.2%
Aragón 34.9%
Castilla La Nueva 21.4%
Castilla La Vieja 21.1%
Baleares 21.0%
León 18.8%
Múrcia 16.9%
Extremadura 18.8%
Cataluña 14.5%
Asturias 19.1%
Valencia 12.1%
Galícia 12.3%
Granada 11.7%
Andalucía 10.7%

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Originally Posted by bimo

mah :loco:




not really , light eyes in italy are quite (not majority of course) , but in some area's of italy are really around 40% , where i live in central-north italy (emilia-romagna) on 10 people 3 have light eyes so those data seems accurate , and yes green/hazel eyes are considered light for sure not dark , at least they are more on the light side than the dark

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Some lombard and furlan alpine valleys are also around 50%, while probably some isolated sardinian or calabrian village can be even around 2-5%...a very big difference for a single country, indeed.

I'm curious about the portuguese and the french percentages.

It could be both; a product of medieval Germanic conquest and just simply local variation.

http://whatishistory.edublogs.org/fi...empire-526.gif

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Originally Posted by alfieb

Sicily being much higher than Sardinia and Calabria (and marginally higher than Lucania) most likely has to be attributed to the Germanic/Celtic admixture.

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It's a difference of 4% or so. But you also have to figure this.. eastern versus western Sicily. Eastern Sicily light eyes is probably close to (and possibly below) 10%. Whereas in western regions it may be close to 35%.

I find some of this data about North Italy/Spain to be exaggerated. I've read studies that showed that the pigmentation difference between Southern and Northern Italy/Spain to be sizable but rather small.

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Originally Posted by ABest

I find some of this data about North Italy/Spain to be exaggerated. I've read studies that showed that the pigmentation difference between Southern and Northern Italy/Spain to be sizable but rather small.

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I don't think so. Maybe due to the fact that many northern Italians have southern Italian ancestry now due to people moving north, but overall from pictures and all studies I have seen, both northern Italy an Spain are lighter than southern Italy by quite a bit.

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Originally Posted by Sikeliot

It's a difference of 4% or so. But you also have to figure this.. eastern versus western Sicily. Eastern Sicily light eyes is probably close to (and possibly below) 10%. Whereas in western regions it may be close to 35%.

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And only about 2m Sicilians live in the West.