without Turks they can't even flirt on scientific levelQuote:
Originally Posted by Sundqvist
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without Turks they can't even flirt on scientific levelQuote:
Originally Posted by Sundqvist
who?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kipchak Håkan
Balkar M458 is ancestral to all M458'sQuote:
Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic
Europoids and Amerindians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic
Any data on R1b in both modern Hungarians and proto-steppe Hungarians? I have seen a few things but always like to collect more facts.
I think that Western Europe didn't have Turkic influence in creating a civilisation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kipchak Håkan
Do you have some real proof. Not some your pages, but some normal?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kipchak Håkan
Sorry, that means that ancestors of Poles was some Turkic-speaking people (Balkars), so i can't agree with you.
yeah, those Balkars from Kabardino-Balkaria, Krasnodar Krai etc... Stavropol - Staro-polska - Old-Poland ---> this is from where R1ethelites came lately
and named Elbe river ---> Laba like in their old homeland ---> https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9B%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%B0 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laba_River
LOL that have no sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sundqvist
that mean that ancestors of Poles spoke Balkar (Turkic) language.
This theories have no sesne really.
I2a1 taught M458 IE language (Slavic) like I1 did with R1b (Germanic), J2 gave Latin language to R1b(and a) people
almost only R1b - Basque language, Ergative–absolutive language, the same as in Georgia or Avar language ---> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergati...utive_language
THE STORY OF TWO NORTHWARD MIGRATIONS - ORIGINS OF FINNO - PERMIC AND BALTO - SLAVIC LANGUAGES IN NORTHEAST EUROPE, BASED ON HUMAN Y - CHROMOSOME HAPLOGROUPS
http://eujournal.org/index.php/esj/a...File/4182/4018
R1a M558 was agglutinative permian language
half of Africa speak english, but only speak, they are not owners of this language
But you said that R1a M458 is of Balkar - turkic origin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sundqvist
So then how is poosible that they speak Slavic language which is very different from turkics.
Mal'ta sample:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 49.96
2 Americas 17.77
3 South_Asia 16.09
4 West_Asia 9.77
5 Siberia 4.13
6 West_Africa 1.7
7 Oceania 0.58
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Aluet 23.97
2 Chuvash 29.25
3 Tatar 29.65
4 Mordovian 31.61
5 Russian 32.72
6 Finnish 34.14
7 Belarusian 35.49
8 Polish 35.53
9 Estonian 35.73
10 Latvian 35.81
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77.8% Finnish + 22.2% Pima @ 19.87
2 78.5% Finnish + 21.5% Colombian @ 19.99
3 78.5% Finnish + 21.5% Karitiana @ 19.99
4 78.5% Finnish + 21.5% Surui @ 19.99
5 77.9% Finnish + 22.1% Mayan @ 20.01
6 81.8% Aluet + 18.2% UP_Muslim @ 20.13
7 83.5% Aluet + 16.5% Sakilli @ 20.25
8 83.8% Aluet + 16.2% Hakkipikki @ 20.32
9 80.9% Aluet + 19.1% Tamil_Nadu_Brahmin @ 20.33
10 83.7% Aluet + 16.3% North_Kannadi @ 20.37
Dominantly Caucasoid
It was mestizo. Certanly not white haplogroup originally.
Mixed yes, but neither a purely Caucasoid or Mongoloid haplogroupQuote:
Originally Posted by Stears
Northern Caucasus, North Black Sea shore was the area of I2a1 back in the time, but those people were Rethelised and on the other hand were teach IE
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._Satem_map.png
Srubna-Sintashta was only a periodic stop-camp in Steppe-Mongol "Drang nach Western"
If IJ originated in Zagros Mountain, then it has to be their area, not
Malta-Boys from Irkutsk of R1 origin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_I-M170Quote:
In addition, living examples of the precursor Haplogroup IJ* have been found only in Iran, among the Mazandarani and ethnic Persians from Fars.[3]
What is blue and what is red in this map??Quote:
Originally Posted by Sundqvist
What is mentioning of this.
noble Aryans are of IJ origin, period
Tocharians on wikipedia as indo-european people --> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tocharians, but picture does not lieQuote:
Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...izil_Caves.PNG
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...i_2006_063.jpg
they were Genghis Khan'oids
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sundqvist
Is this known which haplogroup were they?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sundqvist
They were R1a.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic
the source is above, in short:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic
Meanwhile, Y-SNP and Y-STR profiles indicate that the males examined belonged to the R1b-M343 haplogroup
R1 family
So imagine 1/4 of it - a castizo, like CrazyDaisy or this guy from Chile...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kipchak Håkan
Castizo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stears
So who was white, if the rest of european hgs were swarthy, browny or black? :picard2:Quote:
Certanly not white haplogroup originally.
And where did he get 50% of EHG? :coffee:
At least we had blue eyes, and were 100% European autosomally. EHG is less European than the WHG, because of mongoloid admixture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rethel
And the EHG guys were swarthy pigmented. I read about it today.
It is IE hg, not matter what race.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pahliski
But at the beginning it was EHGean population, which was exclusivly R1.
Mal;ta has 50% of it, and 25% of other caucasoid types.
Logically, he was mixed, he was a castizo.
People here were laughing from me, when I suggested, that Africans could
loose 2-3% of neanderthal DNA. Do you want to say, that IEs loose 50%
of non EHGean DNA - as they were 100% EHG in Eastern Europe? Really? :scratch:
It is interesting, how "natural laws" works. When it supports evolution, then
the most bizzare and impossible thing can ahppen - but when it is against it,
then very simple and east things are not possible... interesting, isn't it?
100% european? And what? What does it mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stears
European but black - do not play word games.
The word european is meaningless.
And these blue eyes, if they were, they were from IE admixture.
It will be proved in the future, you'll see.
You really need some psychoterapy in cabonet of someQuote:
EHG is less European than the WHG, because of mongoloid admixture.
Mongol becasue you have some problem with that issue.
And no, EHG was not mongoloidic, man... stop embarassing
yourself day by day... :picard2:
Sure... :picard2:Quote:
And the EHG guys were swarthy pigmented. I read about it today.
You could rwad about Karelian boy, who was amerindianic admixed,
some kind of castizo or even half castizo, I dont remember exactly.
He only witness that Amerindian people were crossing whole northern
Europe in their trek to Scandia, where they mostly live today in foreign skin.
http://www.anatole-klyosov.com/10_05_2017.pdfQuote:
Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic
page 1727-1728 + 1757
I put it in google translate and it is very hard to understand from Google translate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kipchak Håkan
But i heard for this Klyosov. I listened him when he spoke about R1a and R1b war in ancient time.
yeah, the truth finally revealedQuote:
Originally Posted by Kipchak Håkan
what he is speaking about in this pages? Really i can't translate it good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sundqvist
what he is speaking about in this pages? Really i can't translate it good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sundqvist
in short, even if R1a was incorporated to Turkic ethnicity, they lived far more eastern than todayQuote:
Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic
but R1a M458 and other clades were found in Lithuanian Tatars, Balkars, Nogays etc. with high %
edit: and those Tatars or other Turkic groups rather did not mixed with locals, at least by paternal side, I mean they could take local women, but did not allow their daughters "marry" with local, indigenous males (that's my conclusion)
So Klyosov are saying that this haplogroup is originally from these Turkic tribes or?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sundqvist
And what about R1a-M558
I did not read whole article, but knowing life - everyone is trying make their people greater, so I am pretty sure that his conclusion will be that Aryans, Samratians, Scythians, Persians and Martians were of Slavic origin
but on the other side - he showed that majority of Lithuanian and Crimea Tatars have R1a - everyone can make own theory
It is not unknown fact. That Bulgars are slavicized turkic tribe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kipchak Håkan
But you must admit that they don't look today as Turkics. They have more Slavic genes and Thracians.
It was possibly their elite that was speaking Turkic, the main population could easily have been a mix of Turkic, Iranic and Slavic that later got completely slavicized.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic
Point is that old-Bulgars didn't settle Balkan as Hordes (as Turks usually do in history), that is a reason why they are not similar to other turkic peoples today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pahliski
Well modern Bulgarians barely have any East Eurasian which means that the population that settled there only were an elite or the population they brought with them were mostly non-Mongoloid admixedQuote:
Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic