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02-10-2011, 10:07 PM
Electronic God-Man

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franz

Soten, that's the overall picture. Here are your details:

Code:

rs1029145 AFR rs10492520 EAS rs10514241 EAS rs10779907 EAS rs10825468 AFR rs1105391 EAS rs11060233 EAS rs12089636 AFR rs12217685 EAS rs12220022 EAS rs13232076 EAS rs1334572 AFR rs1364017 EAS rs1463427 EAS rs16839883 EAS rs16883494 EAS rs16903010 EAS rs16903648 AFR rs16920051 EAS rs16934416 EAS rs16957551 AFR rs16957597 AFR rs16957664 AFR rs16988825 AFR rs17011662 EAS rs17013664 EAS rs17013810 EAS rs17014788 EAS rs17015638 AFR rs17044715 EAS rs17067539 EAS rs17078801 EAS rs17087075 AFR rs17087095 AFR rs17251648 EAS rs17599262 EAS rs17748939 EAS rs1858022 AFR rs1892868 AFR rs2069683 EAS rs2073358 EAS rs213135 EAS rs2638298 AFR rs264701 AFR rs307274 EAS rs3756514 EAS rs3777456 EAS rs3780660 EAS rs3811842 EAS rs3845461 EAS rs3862609 EAS rs401522 EAS rs4939591 EAS rs4987774 EAS rs6499781 EAS rs6812580 AFR rs6928877 EAS rs7190322 EAS rs7201539 AFR rs7271632 AFR rs7275620 EAS rs7290364 EAS rs763880 EAS rs7784129 EAS rs877180 EAS rs879017 EAS rs9453955 AFR rs951954 AFR rs9556725 EAS rs9812589 AFR rs9912490 EAS

So, am I correct to think these are all the African and East Asian SNPs in my DNA? I take it that this is common for someone of European descent?
02-10-2011, 10:09 PM
Loddfafner

I keep mixing up Eurogenes with Euripides and Eumenides.
02-10-2011, 10:30 PM
Franz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soten

So, am I correct to think these are all the African and East Asian SNPs in my DNA?

Your alleles in those SNPs are not all non-European. The tests aren't perfect.

Quote:

I take it that this is common for someone of European descent?

Yes, you're White.
02-11-2011, 01:33 AM
Pallantides

Mine
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/7476/rhhmapperno2.png

Code:

NO2 rs10246773 EAS NO2 rs10435558 EAS NO2 rs10779907 EAS NO2 rs10930447 EAS NO2 rs11019225 EAS NO2 rs11198878 EAS NO2 rs11217777 EAS NO2 rs11217806 EAS NO2 rs11625139 EAS NO2 rs12022173 EAS NO2 rs12089636 AFR NO2 rs12124367 EAS NO2 rs12204742 EAS NO2 rs12422574 EAS NO2 rs12441054 EAS NO2 rs1253852 EAS NO2 rs12630840 EAS NO2 rs13306541 EAS NO2 rs1334572 AFR NO2 rs1426744 EAS NO2 rs16853096 EAS NO2 rs16889813 EAS NO2 rs16898668 EAS NO2 rs16908616 EAS NO2 rs16910134 EAS NO2 rs16925720 EAS NO2 rs16959714 EAS NO2 rs17015638 AFR NO2 rs17053336 EAS NO2 rs17074656 EAS NO2 rs17094678 EAS NO2 rs17099839 EAS NO2 rs17111316 EAS NO2 rs17233815 EAS NO2 rs17728511 EAS NO2 rs1815896 EAS NO2 rs1867569 EAS NO2 rs1935420 EAS NO2 rs2023935 EAS NO2 rs2051943 EAS NO2 rs2081767 EAS NO2 rs2212015 AFR NO2 rs2350243 EAS NO2 rs250413 EAS NO2 rs3760280 EAS NO2 rs3796915 EAS NO2 rs3816685 EAS NO2 rs3948788 EAS NO2 rs4726454 EAS NO2 rs4822654 EAS NO2 rs4936527 EAS NO2 rs6980161 AFR NO2 rs6987258 AFR NO2 rs744459 EAS NO2 rs7585649 EAS NO2 rs7905349 AFR NO2 rs991286 EAS
02-11-2011, 02:46 AM
Hulda.Kin

I got H3 for the mito haplogroup and subclade and 100% +/- 0.01 European with ftdna Family Finder... DNA Tribes says I am top Thracian for the Europa 2nd is Belgic... then Portuguese, Celtic, Spanish, Norse.

Part D: Your High Resolution World Region Match Results
Aegean (0.24)
Finnic (0.19)
Eastern European (0.20)
Northwest European (0.24)
Mediterranean (0.25)
02-11-2011, 02:50 AM
Pallantides

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hulda.Kin

I got H3 for the mito haplogroup and subclade and 100% +/- 0.01 European with ftdna Family Finder... DNA Tribes says I am top Thracian for the Europa 2nd is Belgic... then Portuguese, Celtic, Spanish, Norse.

Part D: Your High Resolution World Region Match Results
Aegean (0.24)
Finnic (0.19)
Eastern European (0.20)
Northwest European (0.24)
Mediterranean (0.25)

eh what does that have to do with the Eurogenes Biogeographic Ancestry Project?

I find DNAtribes to be rather unreliable...
02-11-2011, 03:20 AM
Pallantides

West Eurasia Close up
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6...siacloseup.png

Location of Osweo, evon(West Norwegian) and myself on the West Eurasian map:
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/853/locations.png
02-11-2011, 03:26 AM
Ibericus

Dna-tribes is pure crap. It's amateurish pseudoscience. I don't understand how that company is not banned yet.
02-11-2011, 03:55 AM
Electronic God-Man

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pallantides

Location of Osweo, evon(West Norwegian) and myself on the West Eurasian map:
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/853/locations.png

I'm US2 which is just under Osweo blocked by the green circle on this map.
02-11-2011, 04:58 AM
Osweo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soten

I'm US2 which is just under Osweo blocked by the green circle on this map.

Aye, and we were puzzling about the one overlapping you...

SV1

Slovene, we wondered.... NO!

Quote:

SI Slovenia
SK Slovakia
SL Sierra Leone
SM San Marino
SN Senegal
SR Suriname
SU U.S.S.R.
SV El Salvador

El Salvador wtf! :bowlol:

What is going ON there?
02-11-2011, 05:01 AM
Pallantides

I believe he is Solvenian ...
02-11-2011, 05:04 AM
Electronic God-Man

Even if he is Slovene that is still rather odd.
02-11-2011, 06:55 AM
Graham

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pallantides

West Eurasia Close up
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6...siacloseup.png

Location of Osweo, evon(West Norwegian) and myself on the West Eurasian map:
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/853/locations.png

That took ages to load for me. I'm left of that picture Uk19 :)
02-11-2011, 08:32 AM
Hulda.Kin

Thanks for letting me know about dna tribes, I wondered about it with some of their results for me. What is the link for these other results you are talking about as i would like to have accurate ones done. Do they test females as well?
02-11-2011, 04:41 PM
Osweo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hulda.Kin

Thanks for letting me know about dna tribes, I wondered about it with some of their results for me. What is the link for these other results you are talking about as i would like to have accurate ones done. Do they test females as well?

https://www.23andme.com/

They certainly do test women, as unlike some competitors, the gender specific stuff is treated as but a tiny part of the entire genome. They also give the option to take your 'raw data' and download it, with the option to send it to other investigators, like in this private (and free!) project whose results we're discussing in this thread. :)

They also give interesting health information too. I'm in it more for the ancestry aspect, but 23 and Me give a product that keeps on informing, not just a one off set of results.

:D The buggers should give me commission!
02-11-2011, 05:51 PM
Pallantides

My top population results

SE1 0,2397
Kate_Morley 0,2401 Reference Population
US49 0,2402
US173 0,2402
BY 0,2403 Reference Population
LT 0,2406 Reference Population
North_Russian 0,2407 Reference Population
IE3 0,2407
NO5 0,2408
IE8 0,2408
UK3 0,2408
SE6 0,2409
US88 0,2409
North_Russian 0,2409 Reference Population
North_Russian 0,2410 Reference Population
US115 0,2410
DKUK1 0,2410
US65 0,2410
LT 0,2411 Reference Population

These were given to me by annihilus on ABF, since I couldn't get it to work myself, so I hope they are the right numbers.
02-11-2011, 06:18 PM
Graham

My top sharing without the Americans etc..

Quote:

UK3 0.2375 FluffyDad English/Welsh and distant German/Italian
UK1 0.2387 GregRM
IE3 0.2391 Maureen Higgins Markov (Irish)
BY 0.2393 Reference Population
North_Russian 0.2397 Reference Population
French_Basque 0.2397 Reference Population
FR 0.2399 Reference Population
FR 0.2400 Reference Population
Orcadian 0.2400 Reference Population
FR 0.2400 Reference Population
French_Basque 0.2401 Reference Population
FR 0.2401 Reference Population
UK8 0.2401 LKPRSB_Dad (100% UK born in Yorkshire one Grandfather was part Irish)
BE2 0.2402 Not identified
DESK1 0.2402 (50% German, 50% Slovakian)
UA1 0.2402 Not identified
PL5 0.2403 Not identified
PL1 0.2403 Project Creator and DataMiner DavidW alias Davidski//Polako
BY 0.2403 Reference Population
HU 0.2403 Reference Population
IENO1 0.2404 KatieC (Irish)

...And eyeryone, anyone here on that list?

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UK3 0.2375 FluffyDad English/Welsh and distant German/Italian
US56 0.2381 Not identified
Jeff_Barrett 0.2384 Reference Population
UK1 0.2387 GregRM
US115 0.2390 Not identified
IE3 0.2391 Maureen Higgins Markov (Irish)
US74 0.2392 Bahmah (Amyjeanne’s mom- French, German, Dutch, Swiss)
BY 0.2393 Reference Population
US140 0.2394 Not identified
Caroline_Wright 0.2394 Reference Population
US104 0.2395 Not identified
NZ1 0.2395 Dennis W (57.8% English 25% Irish 15.6% Scottish 1.6% Asian Indian)
US78 0.2397 (Colonial American with English, German and small amount of Irish)
North_Russian 0.2397 Reference Population
French_Basque 0.2397 Reference Population
US75 0.2399 Lynleigh (Mostly Colonial American - 45% English, 30% Scotch-Irish, 20% German-Swiss)
US10 0.2399 Jerseygirl Irish, Dutch, French, Orcadian, Swiss, German, English, Polish
FR 0.2399 Reference Population
US57 0.2399 Little bit (Irish, German, English, unk paternal)
FR 0.2400 Reference Population
Orcadian 0.2400 Reference Population
US145 0.2400 Not identified
US32 0.2400 enfla1
FR 0.2400 Reference Population
UK4 0.2401 BrummieMummy English and distant Flemish/French
US156 0.2401 Not identified
French_Basque 0.2401 Reference Population
FR 0.2401 Reference Population
CA4 0.2401 David Faux. Colonial American / Canadian (1/16 German, 1/16 English, < 1% Six Nations Lower Mohawk, < 1% African), rest British (1/16 Scottish, 1/16 Irish, rest almost entirely east coastal English).
US166 0.2401 Not identified
UK8 0.2401 LKPRSB_Dad (100% UK born in Yorkshire one Grandfather was part Irish)
US110 0.2401 Charlie
BE2 0.2402 Not identified
AU3 0.2402 Not identified
AU4 0.2402 Not identified
US128 0.2402 Not identified
DESK1 0.2402 (50% German, 50% Slovakian)
UA1 0.2402 Not identified
US5 0.2403 Rochefaton paternal central France, maternal England
PL5 0.2403 Not identified
CA6 0.2403 Not identified
PL1 0.2403 Project Creator and DataMiner DavidW alias Davidski//Polako
US63 0.2403 BrianNC
BY 0.2403 Reference Population
HU 0.2403 Reference Population
SE7 0.2404 Not identified
Orcadian 0.2404 Reference Population
HU 0.2404 Reference Population
IENO1 0.2404 KatieC (Irish)
02-11-2011, 09:20 PM
Pallantides

IE3's surname 'Markov' sounds Slavic.
02-11-2011, 09:33 PM
Osweo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pallantides

IE3's surname 'Markov' sounds Slavic.

Maureen Higgins can be quite Irish. Maureen Higgins Markov must have married some Russky. ;)
02-11-2011, 10:06 PM
Pallantides

Quote:

Originally Posted by Osweo

Maureen Higgins can be quite Irish. Maureen Higgins Markov must have married some Russky. ;)

I thought she could have had a Russian father or something, but this makes more sense yes.
02-13-2011, 02:56 AM
Graham

Ave. Distance from Populations, copied the average reference populations top 10 :) It'd look more accurate with Norway, Iralnd etc.. but Im too lazy to sort that out :)
me Uk19

Quote:

FR 0.24162
Orcadian 0.24170
BY 0.24180
HU 0.24188
LT 0.24228
French_Basque 0.24230
ES 0.24272
North_Russian 0.24306
North_Italian 0.24311
Tuscan 0.24318

Osweo UK20

Quote:

Orcadian 0.24176
FR 0.24228
LT 0.24232
HU 0.24282
BY 0.24293
ES 0.24323
French_Basque 0.24338
North_Russian 0.24356
North_Italian 0.24398
Tuscan 0.24432

NO2 Pallantides

Quote:

LT 0.24235
BY 0.24294
Orcadian 0.24309
FR 0.24315
HU 0.24322
North_Russian 0.24351
North_Italian 0.24428
French_Basque 0.24440
ES 0.24465
RO 0.24496

Osweo if you haven't seen your top matches

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UK20 0.0000
US78 0.2382
US92 0.2388
US131 0.2389
Caroline_Wright 0.2392
FR 0.2394
IENO1 0.2396
FR 0.2396
UK9 0.2399
NL1 0.2399
US37 0.2400
BY 0.2400
CA4 0.2400
US74 0.2402
US115 0.2402
UA1 0.2402
US75 0.2403
Orcadian 0.2404
Orcadian 0.2404
Kate_Morley 0.2404
US26 0.2405
FR1 0.2405
US67 0.2406
UK19 0.2406
IE8 0.2406
FR 0.2406
US32 0.2406
LT 0.2406
DEIE1 0.2407
NO1 0.2407
02-13-2011, 03:34 AM
Pallantides

Thanks, what is our distance to the Siberians, Greenlanders and Middle Easterne populations?
02-13-2011, 07:21 PM
Pallantides

http://i54.tinypic.com/3305hc9.png

my position:
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/4612/3305hc9.jpg
02-14-2011, 05:29 AM
Franz

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pallantides

My top population results

SE1 0,2397
Kate_Morley 0,2401 Reference Population
US49 0,2402
US173 0,2402
BY 0,2403 Reference Population
LT 0,2406 Reference Population
North_Russian 0,2407 Reference Population
IE3 0,2407
NO5 0,2408
IE8 0,2408
UK3 0,2408
SE6 0,2409
US88 0,2409
North_Russian 0,2409 Reference Population
North_Russian 0,2410 Reference Population
US115 0,2410
DKUK1 0,2410
US65 0,2410
LT 0,2411 Reference Population

These were given to me by annihilus on ABF, since I couldn't get it to work myself, so I hope they are the right numbers.

That's correct, but why not do them all?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Osweo

Maureen Higgins can be quite Irish. Maureen Higgins Markov must have married some Russky. ;)

Yeah, her result is very Irish nothing Slavic about her.
02-14-2011, 05:41 AM
Pallantides

Thanks for the list Franz.
02-17-2011, 05:04 PM
quotablepatella

My top matches -

UK9 0
NO5 0.239761
UK20 0.239884
US26 0.239942
US72 0.240053
BY 0.240066
UK1 0.240293
PL1 0.240363
US61 0.24046
Kate_Morley 0.240488
US74 0.240505
US88 0.240508
US55 0.240513
Orcadian 0.240548
US78 0.240624
IENO1 0.240633
French_Basque 0.240657
US83 0.240665
US15 0.2407
FR 0.240714
FR2 0.240729
FCA3 0.240735
ES 0.240741
US153 0.240752
US131 0.24078
Orcadian 0.2408
UK3 0.2408
BY 0.240822
US165 0.240841
Jeff_Barrett 0.240905
02-19-2011, 10:27 AM
Loki

Splitting the genome in half to confirm minor exotic local admixture

This is Polako's latest release. I'm not yet sure how to make sense of it, its not as clearly demarcated as the previous one. But there are obvious clusters.

From what I understand, one can appear more than once on this one. It's tricky to find yourself, though. I've managed to find (one of?) mine - b_SAEU1. I've also seen Osweo (I think) - a_UK20. I'm to the right of the top right cluster. Osweo more to the left of me.

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/2747/mds24.png
02-19-2011, 02:27 PM
quotablepatella

I found my a near b_US193 and b_CH3 in the top left hand corner, and my b in a very crowded area near a_EESE1, b_UK8, b_RU6, b_FSE1, a_US111, a_US131 et al.
02-19-2011, 10:05 PM
Osweo

Can somebody suggest that Polako includes a COORDINATES system, so we can bloody find ourselves?! Can't be THAT hard. MSPaint give the exact pixel, for instance, when you drag the cursor across an image... :rage :p
02-20-2011, 02:01 AM
Electronic God-Man

I still can't find myself (US2). There's gotta be an easier way to do this. I assume I'm lost in some clusterfuck.
02-20-2011, 03:36 PM
Graham

Where the fuck is Wally? That's what it's like
http://www.gearthblog.com/images/ima...swallylogo.jpg

UK19's near IE4, UZGSM538782, IRGSM536764 etc.. etc.. etc..
02-20-2011, 07:54 PM
Aino

Quote:

Originally Posted by Osweo

Can somebody suggest that Polako includes a COORDINATES system, so we can bloody find ourselves?! Can't be THAT hard. MSPaint give the exact pixel, for instance, when you drag the cursor across an image... :rage :p

Your coordinates are in the .dat files. You can open the files with a regular text editor. Or import them to Excel if you want to process the numbers further.
02-20-2011, 08:47 PM
Loki

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aino

Your coordinates are in the .dat files. You can open the files with a regular text editor. Or import them to Excel if you want to process the numbers further.

Where are the dat files to be found? I see he attached a text file with the samples that were run, but that doesn't tell me much. Only have 0 0 0 -9 behind them. :confused:
02-20-2011, 08:50 PM
Loki

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loki

Where are the dat files to be found? I see he attached a text file with the samples that were run, but that doesn't tell me much. Only have 0 0 0 -9 behind them. :confused:

Oh, I see it is the various MDS files. To be opened with a text editor. There seems to be 38 of them though ... :eek:
02-20-2011, 10:44 PM
Osweo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aino

Your coordinates are in the .dat files. You can open the files with a regular text editor. Or import them to Excel if you want to process the numbers further.

I'm far too stupid and old to figure that sort of thing out, though. :cry2

And bastard Excel and stuff don't seem to be given away free any more with new laptops like mine. :rage The computer doesn't even show what sort of application I should be opening these files with, damned thing. I hate this new Windows 7 too.............. :censored: :p
02-25-2011, 11:30 PM
Franz

ADMIXTURE v1.1 runs at K=5
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?...thkey=CJ36mZoN
02-26-2011, 01:50 AM
Pallantides

NO1

Basque 6%
Mediterranean 4%
Southeast European 2%
Baltic Finnish 14%
North Euro 75%

NO2(Me)

Basque 0%
Mediterranean 1%
Southeast European 0%
Baltic Finnish 19%
North Euro 80%

NO3

Basque 0%
Mediterranean 1%
Southeast European 1%
Baltic Finnish 12%
North Euro 86%

NO5

Basque 4%
Mediterranean 3%
Southeast European 5%
Baltic Finnish 18%
North Euro 71%

NO6

Basque 0%
Mediterranean 9%
Southeast European 0%
Baltic Finnish 11%
North Euro 80%

NO7

Basque 10%
Mediterranean 0%
Southeast European 2%
Baltic Finnish 14%
North Euro 75%
02-26-2011, 02:00 AM
Pallantides

Craniometric study: Neolithic migrants did not penetrate Northern and Eastern Europe
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/209...eurasia123.png
02-26-2011, 08:15 AM
Loki

Me:

Basque 4%
Mediterranean 11%
Southeast European 16%
Baltic Finnish 6%
North Euro 63%

Osweo:

Basque 11%
Mediterranean 1%
Southeast European 1%
Baltic Finnish 0%
North Euro 86%

^^ Mr Nazi poster boy! :eek:
02-26-2011, 09:07 AM
Agrippa

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pallantides

Craniometric study: Neolithic migrants did not penetrate Northern and Eastern Europe
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/209...eurasia123.png

In the link they also wrote:

Quote:

It's important to realize, however, that this analysis does not cover in detail the late Neolithic and subsequent periods, when the modern European gene pool actually formed.

Compare with the comments of Dienekes:
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2011/02...change-in.html

The real result is the mosaic pattern in the fringes, meaning just a higher rate of survival for the pre-Neolithic elements from the start.

Yet if comparing f.e. later Corded waves with those transitional cultures of the North, which were actually not fully Neolithic (!) - in the North f.e. the full and final Neolithic stage was often just reached with the Corded Ware wave, things should be different.

Actually this study proves the tremendous impact of the Neolithic settlers, even at the fringes with the mosaic model, but a higher survival race and transition from less altered Mesolithic populations there as well.

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