How far does ftdna go back? Because im sure every balkanite has some slav in them but many are not scoring east euro at all.
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How far does ftdna go back? Because im sure every balkanite has some slav in them but many are not scoring east euro at all.
How did you predict my results? lolQuote:
Originally Posted by IceT
https://media.giphy.com/media/l2YWh7...tqP6/giphy.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Ylla
I wouldn't know if he is full Abanian. I see though eve Serbs and Croats score 'British' etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by IceT
Of course brah, you're the next J2 messiah, just keep guessing that shit xD
Interesting Changes.
I find theses score more in line with my Gedmatch calculator scores.
I wonder why FTDNA change things for My Origins, was there a lot of dissatisfaction and criticism of previous results.
Oszkar07
Ethnic Makeup Percentage
African 0%
South Central Africa 0%
East Central Africa 0%
West Africa 0%
New World 0%
North and Central America 0%
South America < 2%
Central/South Asian 0%
Central Asia 0%
Oceania 0%
South Central Asia 0%
East Asian 0%
Northeast Asia 0%
Siberia 0%
Southeast Asia 0%
Middle Eastern 0%
Asia Minor < 2%
East Middle East 0%
North Africa 0%
West Middle East < 2%
European 97%
British Isles 0%
East Europe 27%
Finland 0%
Scandinavia 0%
Southeast Europe 0%
Iberia 0%
West and Central Europe 70%
Jewish Diaspora 0%
Ashkenazi 0%
Sephardic 0%
Why are my posts deleted, who did that?
1000 or so years. But bare in mind that the South Eastern Europe category probably includes some South Slavic component as well as South Slavs are a mix of Balkan/south Eastern Europe and Eastern EuropeQuote:
Originally Posted by Sorcelow
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oh wow
....longbowman!!!!! you gotta see this!!!!
Thats probably the case, balkanites who score east euro probably have much more immediate Slavic ancestry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelmendasi
I have 0 east euro..all is south:icon_yes:east..
IamnotSlav.
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8% Sephardic Jew? Where does that shit come from lmao.
When observing Vlach Aromun genetics there is found plenty of E-V13 but barely one example of J2b1. My hg is none existent among Vlachs unlike your is. Going by these genetic standards you are much more Vlach then i am. On the other hand Vlach is how Sclaveni called all remains of Roman empire population that they found on Balkan so again that would make us both Vlachs. There is no other term for Vlach except original Germanic meaning which is stranger.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Illyrian Warrior
Furthermore M205 does not exist in Slavic countries except at Balkan South Slavs that all together have TMRCA 900 years and he was not Slav (do you understand this part?) and i am far away from their group 1000 - 1500 years. Just as much as our Y22066 all together TMRCA is 1500-1600 years.
It means since we arrived in Balkan before 1500 years i split almost immediately from rest of them and i have more distance to their group then their entire TMRCA of 900 years.
What we know for sure its our hg j2b1 m205>ph4306 has Fertile Crescent origin and first expansion also we have few interesting ancient DNA like Roman gladiator found in England. https://j2-m172.info/2016/01/exogeno...ddle-eastener/
See m205 is j2b1 with Fertile Crescent origin while L283 which is J2b2>Z1825>m241>l283 is native in Blakan.
https://j2-m172.info/wp-content/uplo..._edit-2015.png
We both come out of j2b 16 000 years ago just they emigrated much earlier while we stand to defend the homeland. We escaped just in time like 300 years prior to Arab Islamic conquer of that area. That is why there is great chance we took part in Mesopotamia ancient civilizations from Sumerians and Babylonians to Persians and Assyrians.
Hoping for more ancient dna in future but there is some chance our Balkan TMRCA also improves.
So dont you Vlach me... I fucked whoever i wanted and in the end it was Albanians. For sure i would not fuck ugly Vlachs thats why my Ydna dont exist there. :cool:
I am not interested in Illyrian nor Roman or Greek history, neither Slavic one. For me scoring Sumerian ancient dna would be like telling me that i am part God.
Many civilizations had pictograms but it was them who first simplified them and gave them phonetic characteristics similar to today alphabet, not to mention they were obsessed with writing and we found plenty of their ancient texts.. Akadians the Semitic people first sacked Sumerians when their civilization started to fall. Out of their ruins Babylon has rise. Story of first book starts with Sumer, but these are stories for another thread and perhaps another time ;) :cool:
It is possible vlachs have j2b2, j2b1 and j2a I thinkQuote:
Originally Posted by Dema
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youre mestizoQuote:
Originally Posted by jingorex
Vlach - Aromuns are j2b2, E-v13, R1b and from Slavs they got R1a and I2a-din. Only one was j2b1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Embryo
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...5.00251.x/full
It changed me from 98% euro and the rest Amerindian to 93% euro and 5% Middle East and rest Amerindian.
I thought i saved the first one but cant find it in the bucket thats too bad. anyway here is the updated:
http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/...psvewjqqbr.jpg
I don't see anything regarding J-L283, they only mention J2-M172?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dema
I have looked at these STRs. All of J (48%) in Aromanians from Dukas, Albania is J2b2-L283 and likely PH1751, but if so it would appear to be very distant from the "Gheg Albanian" PH1751, as they have DYS388=17 vs 15, which is very slow to mutateQuote:
Originally Posted by Embryo
Ultimate proof I think that Albanians and the haplogroup J2b2 is some sort of Illyrian/Thracian/Hellenic haplo, considering Vlachs are native balkanites anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trojet
there are str markers in that research made public. its not so easy to see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Embryo
There is STR analysis brother, as they usually don't test for deep SNPs below J2-M172, like L283, etc... Dema is right, they do have considerable amount of J2b2-L283...Quote:
Originally Posted by Embryo
Yes most of Vlachs are Romanized/Latinized Illyrians. It would be strange if there would not be j2b2 E-v13 or R1b among them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Embryo
Very cool and good, but I dont think romanians have that much J2b2 or PH1751 right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trojet
Romanians do have some actually, at about 6-8% according to a study I saw, which is higher than Balkan average outside of Albanians. According to STRs from that study I didn't see any that could be PH1751 subclade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Embryo
I have also looked at a study of Apulians (Italy). Some of their J2b2 appears to be likely PH1751 ;)
Interesting, thats where the messapians (thought to have been illyrians and Indo-Europeans) settled :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Trojet
Told ya broder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Embryo
It would be interesting if we get some confirmation through FTDNA testing along with a TMRCA estimate, but those areas appear to be heavily under-tested. I would expect this subclade to show up in Bulgaria as well though. There is already a Greek example, but may be Arvanite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Embryo
I think j2b2 was at least Pelasgian, Illyrian, Thracian, Hellenic, Roman.Quote:
Originally Posted by Embryo
It is very nicely spread thru area and it has nice TMRCA. Also Italy and Greece are rich in it so everything falls into its place.
Its strange tho Vinca and Starcevo are already tested but we yet cant test Illyrian samples. Also Ancient Greeks are not tested as far as i know.
Hopefully we get Illyrian and Hellenic samples soon, I suspect them to be R1b or J2bQuote:
Originally Posted by Dema
EV13 came with pirate ships from zoomalia so I think its not a worthy contender
Nah lol. I think E-V13 would be very common among Illyrians (there is a great diversity within this HG in our areas), probably more northern ones. I see J2b2 and R1b's in the Balkans as more south central, perhaps associated with Dardanians, southern Illyrians, Thracian, Ancient Macedonians. Of course this is just a speculation in our part until we get some ancient DNA from the time periods in question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Embryo
All I want to know regarding haplogroups is what Illyrians, Hellenes and Thracians belonged to and what haplogroup Skanderbeg belonged to :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Trojet
I suspect both Illyrians and Hellas to be E-v13, j2b2 and R1b. Perhaps that is reason why there is no their results yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Embryo
E-v13 once come from Zoomalia but we civilized them and with time they got whiter :)
I will try to arrange some cooperation with Foleja crew and Albo government if there is possibility of testing ancient DNA :) I am curious to know how much that process costs and what kind of sample is needed.
I think the biggest problem is if we even have any samples that are testable, thats the biggest problem IIRCQuote:
Originally Posted by Dema
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Originally Posted by Dema
The biggest problem with this is that there is no laboratory that does ancient DNA analysis as a fee-for-service to my knowledge (I have asked before). This is usually done by western academia, universities and such.Quote:
Originally Posted by Embryo
If you ask someone from back home, they would be like what's Y-DNA, lol...
Actually my friend is Arbanas from Zadar and Arbanasi say for themselves that they belong to house of Kastrioti, therefore same clan as Skenderbeg.Quote:
Originally Posted by Embryo
To be more interesting his surname is Gjergja and i found him on the list where Croatian Catholic priests written them as they were arriving. Also free land was given to them.
I will have meeting with him soon and try to talk him into a testing. Sounds really interesting for sure, but i dont know how much chance is there that he is same paternal line as Skenderbeu.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbanasi_people
it is the biggest problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Embryo
Kastrioti were from around Dibra area, so most likely J2b2/R1b/EV13 indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dema