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^He is very eastern. I doubt that's the average for Croats of that area.
Yeah, pretty different from NW Croats. I presume Slavonians can plot like that, but we need more samples to know.Quote:
Originally Posted by CommonSense
Weird, he ploting very eastern for Croatian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić
Banija Serb is even slightly western of Croatian average.
Yeah, Banija Serb get high Atlantic. This Croat score some Siberian and South Asian which pull him east. Funny, he is plotting close to Stears but more northern than him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
Maybe Banija Croatian is Hungarian admixed. Hungarians score higher Siberian and South Asian than Yugos, that components are part of genetic from stepe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić
Yeah he could beQuote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
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Originally Posted by Pribislav
Read what he said: I'm fully Croat with no recent foreign ancestry'' No Hungarians in Petrinja, it's probably something old.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick
https://i.postimg.cc/DZpwJTgK/Untitled.png
Do you have K13, K36 and K12 dodecad of Banija Croatian?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić
Nope.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
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Originally Posted by Pribislav
There were some Hungarians in nearby Sisak, according to 1910. census.
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ukupno: 8,530
Hrvatski 6,455 (75.67%)
Mađarski 660 (7.73%)
Srpski 585 (6.85%)
Slovenski 313 (3.66%)
Njemački 297 (3.48%)
Češki 132 (1.54%)
Italijanski 63 (0.73%)
Slovački 12 (0.14%)
Rumunski 1 (0.01%)
Rusinski 1 (0.01%)
ostali 11 (0.12%)
He doesn't cluster close to Hungarians mate, Hungarians are more western than Croatian average.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
Dude clearly said he's pure Croat, what is with this insisting he's somehow foreign lmao , just because he's not identical with Banija Serb or what ?
I don't see why they should be. Serb aren't natives there unlike Croats.
How would you explain eastern-shifted result of that Banija Croat?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić
I am not saying that he should be similar to Serbs.
He is kajkavian Croat and it is strange that his result is eastern-shifted.
Banija Croatian ploting eastern as Stears.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić
Stears is half Szekely.
He's not only one, there are several others in our PCA plotting like him but from different regions (he overlaps Dalmatian)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
https://i.imgur.com/ZM0g2mk.png
Sisak-Moslavina county isn't pure Kajkavian but borderline, I don't consider them same people like somebody from Zagreb or Varaždin more like Western Slavonia imo.
Dude, I got Stears kit number and on some Oracles he is modeled as 50% Hungarian 50% Moldavian. Go figure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
His results on Eurogenes K13
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Hungarian +50% Moldavian @ 3.232687
Interesting about this result is he has low Gedrosia and Southwest_Asian on Dodecad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
His MDLP K16.
1 NorthEast European 26.81
2 Neolithic 26.69
3 Caucasian 24.98
4 Steppe 21.12
5 Siberian 0.33
Could somebody made Single Population Sharing?
not without gedmatch IDQuote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
Here is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
Single Population Sharing:
1 Slovenian 3.21 (Slovenia)
2 German_Lipsian 3.41 (Saxony)
3 Croat 3.43 (Bosnia-Herzegovina)
4 Hungarian 3.89 (Hungary)
5 Croat 4.47 (Croatia)
6 Bosnian 4.49 (Bosnia-Herzegovina)
7 Serbian 4.55 (Serbia)
8 Czech 4.78 (Czechia)
9 Austrian 4.81 (Audtria)
10 Pole 5.01 (South_Poland)
11 Dutch 5.19 (Netherlands)
12 Hungarian 5.29 (EastHungary)
13 Slovak 5.38 (Slovakia)
14 German 5.49 (Germany)
15 Welsh 5.87 (Wales)
16 French 5.9 (NortherhwestFrance)
17 Irish 5.91 (Munster)
18 Pole 6.09 (EastPoland)
19 Sorb 6.34 (Lusatia)
20 Ukraunians 6.47 (WestUkraine)
Using 2 populations appromaximation:
1 50% German (Germany) + 50% Serbian (Serbia) @2.143989
That's the most northern Serb I've seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
I am pretty sure he is on average for his region.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gedza
Serbs from Banija are probably most northern ploting Serbs.
:rofl_002:Quote:
Using 2 populations appromaximation:
1 50% German (Germany) + 50% Serbian (Serbia) @2.143989
Dude, he is mixed as fuck. There were Germans in Banovina and they mixed with his ancestors. There is nothing Serb about his results.
But since he is northern shifted, he is ''average'' for his region LMAO, but south shifted Serbs are mixed with Albos, Vlachs etc.
Herzegovina sheperds settled in Banovina were certanly not half German, half Serb genetically.
Dude is very unpure like majority of Serbs from fringe regions.
I already said that he is fully Serb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić
He is I2-PH908, that is not German y dna. There is no German y dna among Banija Serbs.
His northwestern ploting from Serbian average is ancient dna, probably related with proto-Serbs from Czechia.
Moje ime has higher North_Atlantic than Baltic on K13, and she is not German influenced. Her admixture is ancient.
This MDLP K16 calculator is totally unreliable. Everybody looks more northern than he really is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
My result:
# Population Percent
1 NorthEastEuropean 27.58
2 Caucasian 24.79
3 Neolithic 24.58
4 Steppe 22.34
5 Amerindian 0.66
6 Siberian 0.05
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) 4.15
2 Pole (EastPoland) 4.29
3 Hungarian (Hungary) 4.7
4 Dutch (Netherlands) 4.74
5 Slovak (Slovakia) 4.75
6 Croat (Croatia) 4.87
7 Pole (Wroclaw) 5.25
8 Hungarian (WestUkraine) 5.5
9 Slovenian (Slovenia) 5.52
10 Pole (WestPoland) 5.75
11 Hungarian (Budapest) 5.78
12 Ukrainian (Ukraine) 5.89
13 Czech (Czechia) 5.91
14 Sorb (Lusatia) 6.02
15 German (Germany) 6.12
16 Bosnian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 6.36
17 Croat (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 6.37
18 Ukrainians_west (WestUkraine) 6.62
19 Serbian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 6.71
20 German (NorthGermany) 6.86
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.8% Pole (EastPoland) + 6.2% Georgian (Tbilisi) @ 2.85
2 92.8% Dutch (Netherlands) + 7.2% Georgian (Tbilisi) @ 2.85
This is old plot of mdlp k16
https://www.dropbox.com/s/h0nel6zxuc...sters.png?dl=0
Yes, that calculator is shity.Quote:
Originally Posted by ph2ter
K13 Eurogenes is the best in my opinion.
This guy on K13 and other serious calculators is not close to Germans.
K13 is well balanced:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
https://www.dropbox.com/s/1g5rw44q06...tries.png?dl=0
His K47.
East European 21.12%
North Sea Germanic 16.2%
Baltic 12.06%
Celtic 11.82%
West Mediterranean 7.9%
Paleo Balkan 6.09%
West Finnic 5.39%
North Iberian 3.76%
East Mediterranean 3.66%
Central Mediterranean 2.95%
North Caucasian 2.58%
East Iberian 2.33%
Scando Germanic 2.11%
South Caucasian 1.99%
Volgan 0.04%
K15
North_Sea 19.57 Pct
Atlantic 19.21 Pct
Baltic 20.13 Pct
Eastern_Euro 12.82 Pct
West_Med 12.73 Pct
West_Asian 6.01 Pct
East_Med 8.41Pct
Red_Sea 1.12 Pct
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Dodecad K12b
North_European 42.89
Atlantic_Med 27.38
Caucasus 22.95
Gedrosia 3.27
Southwest_Asian 3.12
Northwest_African 0.18
East_Asian 0.14
South_Asian 0.07
Eurogenes K13
Baltic 33.25
North_Atlantic 28.71
West_Med 15.85
East_Med 12.81
West_Asian 6.84
Red_Sea 1.71
Siberian 0.67
Oceanian 0.15
Eurogenes K13
1. Croatian 5.173751
2. Hungarian 5.84566
3. Moldavian 6.057260
4. Serbian 7.296862
5. Austrian 10.360145
6. East_German 11.030091
7. Romanian 12.047232
8. South_Polish 12.264196
9. Ukrainian_Lviv 12.27532
10. Ukrainian 13.37123
11. Bulgarian 14.73466
12. Polish 16.39723
13. Southwest_Russian 17.57168
14. Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.16413
15. West_German 18.62859
16. Russian_Smolensk 19.14135
17. Belorussian 20.03064
18. South_Dutch 20.13621
19. Southwest_Finnish 21.36385
20. French 21.61905
Dodecad K7b Admixture Propartions
Atlantic_Baltic 64.31
Southern 20.87
West_Asian 14.87
Siberian 0.51
Dodecad V3 (dv3)
population
West_European 36.66
Mediteranean 25.75
East_European 23.7
West_Asian 10.37
Southwest_Asian 3.13
Southeast_Asian 0.28
Northwest_African 0.06
K36
East_Central_Euro 14.88
Central_Euro 14.69
Italian 10.27
Eastern_Euro 9.09
Fennoscandian 9.04
North_Atlantic 8.71
Iberian 7.22
East_Balkan 7.14
North_Sea 6.06
West_Med 4.59
French 4.09
North_Caucasian 3.2
West_Caucasian 1.02
https://i.imgur.com/mJ4SS9v.png
K11
South Asian -
Caucasus 12.91
Southwest Asian 1.7
North Amerindian + Artic -
Siberian -
Mediterranean 17.3
East Asian -
West African -
Volga-Ural 10.5
South Baltic 27.7
North Atlantic 29.89
Eurogenes K9b
Population
Southwest_Asian 7.25
Native_American 0.19
Northeast_Asian 1.41
Mediterranean 25.05
North_European 65.99
Southeast_Asian 0.04
Oceanian 0.07
South_African -
Sub_Saharan_African -
K10
South Asian -
Caucasus 13.61
Southwest Asian 3.01
North Amerindian + Artic -
Siberian -
Mediterranean - 18.12
East Asian -
West African -
East_European 33.34
North Atlantic 31.92
1 NorthEast European 26.81
2 Neolithic 26.69
3 Caucasian 24.98
4 Steppe 21.12
5 Siberian 0.33
Single Population Sharing:
1 Slovenian 3.21 (Slovenia)
2 German_Lipsian 3.41 (Saxony)
3 Croat 3.43 (Bosnia-Herzegovina)
4 Hungarian 3.89 (Hungary)
5 Croat 4.47 (Croatia)
6 Bosnian 4.49 (Bosnia-Herzegovina)
7 Serbian 4.55 (Serbia)
8 Czech 4.78 (Czechia)
9 Austrian 4.81 (Audtria)
10 Pole 5.01 (South_Poland)
11 Dutch 5.19 (Netherlands)
12 Hungarian 5.29 (EastHungary)
13 Slovak 5.38 (Slovakia)
14 German 5.49 (Germany)
15 Welsh 5.87 (Wales)
16 French 5.9 (NortherhwestFrance)
17 Irish 5.91 (Munster)
18 Pole 6.09 (EastPoland)
19 Sorb 6.34 (Lusatia)
20 Ukraunians 6.47 (WestUkraine)
Using 2 populations appromaximation:
1 50% German (Germany) + 50% Serbian (Serbia) @2.143989
His K47.
East European 21.12%
North Sea Germanic 16.2%
Baltic 12.06%
Celtic 11.82%
West Mediterranean 7.9%
Paleo Balkan 6.09%
West Finnic 5.39%
North Iberian 3.76%
East Mediterranean 3.66%
Central Mediterranean 2.95%
North Caucasian 2.58%
East Iberian 2.33%
Scando Germanic 2.11%
South Caucasian 1.99%
Volgan 0.04%
MDLPK 33
Population Percentage
African Archaic 0.00%
Altaic 0.00%
Amerindian 0.00%
Australian 0.00%
Austro Asiatic 0.00%
Austronesian 0.00%
Balkan 5.17%
Baltic 0.76%
British 0.00%
Caucasian 0.08%
Central Asian 0.00%
Central European 9.11%
Dravidian 0.00%
East Asian 0.00%
East European 26.70%
Finno Ugric 0.12%
Indian 0.00%
Near East 0.00%
North African 0.00%
Paleo Siberian 0.00%
Papuan 0.00%
Polynesian 0.00%
Samoedic 0.00%
Scandinavian 2.00%
Siberian 0.00%
Sino Tibetan 0.00%
Southeast Asian 0.00%
South European 11.14%
Sub Saharan 0.00%
Turkic 0.00%
West African 0.00%
West Asian 7.31%
West European 37.61%
These are my results, the only thing is wrong post K15, the other results are correct, I practically only repeat myself. Now it's all right...
If a Serb shifts just a tiny bit south from the Serb average, you assume that he must have Albanian/Sandzakian/Vlach origins, yet this guy is just a typical Serb according to you xD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
Am I right thinking no full Serb can exceed the 35% Baltic mark on K13?
HungryLion is typical for his region.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carpatz
Serbs which ploting more southern from Serbian average often have recent Montenegrin origin/input or somethimes Vlach (from eastern Serbia), not Sandzakian and Albanian.
Serb from HungryLion's region (Banija). He is more southern than HungryLion, but still more northern and western from Serbian average.
https://i.imgur.com/0SPuOLR.png
The first thing is what you consider by full Serb? And I really dont know..Anyway I have 33.25 i think so ..Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Serbs are a nation-building nation that has a legitimate empire and significant history
,it is quite normal that there are some differences, there are still two results from the region I come from and both are relatively similar to my own. The only Croats to whom I am similar are the southern Croatians, Dalmatians, etc. among these Croats dominant haplogroup is I2a1b. :)
People with at least 4 Serbian grandparents, I'd say. No Croat roots.Quote:
Originally Posted by HungryLion
Only now can I can see how perception about the Serbs as a nation is really wrong.
I was not sorry for money to investigate my origins, and that was done by professionals
I can assure you that I do not have any other nation in my genealogy except the Serbs,
It is important to note that my haplogroup participated in the ethnogenesis of the Slavs, but it was also an integral part of the Serbian tribe and the bearer of the Serbian nation.
Today, the Serbs, as well as all other peoples, contain various haplogroups and people of different origins, the division of "right and wrong", full or unclear Serbs is wrong, there is only more slavic Serb and less, and personally I do not find that much important.
Personally I think it is wrong.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
I definitely do not have Croatian roots in my genealogy.
... Thing I would not be able to say about the Croats you compare with me, but I would not want to turn this topic into a battlefield.
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Baltic is not only "northern" input among Serbs, why is that so much important to you?
Exactly. What matters is crushing our enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women!Quote:
Originally Posted by HungryLion