Eastern and Central Euro K15 PCA

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Originally Posted by Leto

Another dubious Krabat from Cumansky :lol: However adding some mixed people is also useful, so that people can see the difference between full-blooded and mixed individuals.

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You dumb those Russian pure than you..

Your Mongol rape mixture is keep you east

https://i.imgur.com/SFLiRC9.png

27 - Polish 5
28 - Polish 6
Polish 7 unnumbered, colored in Green
Polish 8 unnumbered, colored in Purple
29 - Bulgarian
30 - Ukraine 2

Hungarian 2

Zombori, his relative HUN1

He put as nickname Vlado, that not his real name

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Originally Posted by Cumansky

You dumb those Russian pure than you..

Your Mongol rape mixture is keep you east

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Again, why are you attacking me personally? You don't even know where my parents are from. My mom is from Kirov oblast, so of course she would be more Eastern but that has nothing to with Mongols, let alone rape. That's a Soviet myth promoted by communists, already disproved by genetic studies (almost no East Asian Y-DNA in Russians). By the way, my mom and her parents look fully European, nothing visibly Eurasian.
Attack me once again personally and I won't be responding to you anymore and contributing to your topics. Got it?

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Originally Posted by Leto

Again, why are you attacking me personally?

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He is crazy, he insulted me too just because of where my ancestry is from.

Bump

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Originally Posted by Peterski

He is crazy, he insulted me too just because of where my ancestry is from.

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He's just jealous of your Central Euro genetics. :)

He called me less Polish than himself, he does not even live in Poland.

My family lives in the same region for the last 3000 years if not more. And this is where Poland started.

I don't disrespect Kresy, I wonder why he disrespects Wielkopolska?

https://i.imgur.com/7gWiR0o.png

Russian 1 unnumbered, colored in Orange
Russian 2 unnumbered, colored in Pink
31 - Russian 3
32 - Russian 4
33 - Montenegrin
34 - Arhat (Russian, Pashtun)
35 - Silenkiller (Russian, Belarusian) , colored in dark Green

Arhat probably is closest to steppe Indo-Europeans of all.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Where are these Russians from? Especially this one. 8% East Med on K15 is too much for an unmixed Russian. Maybe 1/4 Jewish?

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Can't be Jewish at all mate, scores zero Red sea and zero West Asian. He/she cluster with Lviv sample, probably West Ukrainian ancestry.

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Originally Posted by Cumansky

Hungarian 2

Zombori, his relative HUN1

He put as nickname Vlado, that not his real name

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I'll add him.

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Originally Posted by Nato

He/she cluster with Lviv sample, probably West Ukrainian ancestry.

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Lwów was a Polish city for 600 years, there was no such thing as Ukraine there.

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Originally Posted by Peterski

He called me less Polish than himself, when he plots with Ukrainians and he does not even live in Poland.

My family lives in the same region for the last 3000 years if not more. And this is where Poland started.

I don't disrespect Kresy, I wonder why he disrespects Wielkopolska?

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I am plot over South Poland #1

You plot over Prussian Jews, and you have not reveal your kit what are you hiding?

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Originally Posted by Peterski

Lwów was a Polish city for 600 years, there was no such thing as Ukraine there.

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Yeah. But my point was that this person isn't Jewish but typical western Ukrainian genetically.
Lot of Ukrainians and some Poles in Russia.

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Originally Posted by Nato

Can't be Jewish at all mate, scores zero Red sea and zero West Asian. He/she cluster with Lviv sample, probably West Ukrainian ancestry.

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Well, pure Ashkenazi Jews are like 6-7% Red Sea or so. If he is only 1/4, the minor Red Sea percentage could have been sucked into the East Med which is a similar thing anyway. However I can't be sure.

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Originally Posted by Cumansky

You plot over Prussian Jews

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Wrong, Prussian Jews plot close to Sicilians (like the rest of Ashkenazim). I know because I found some Prussian Jewish kits.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Well, pure Ashkenazi Jews are like 6-7% Red Sea or so. If he is only 1/4, the minor Red Sea percentage could have been sucked into the East Med which is a similar thing anyway. However I can't be sure.

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Maybe Vlach/Romanian-like ancestry ? Vlachs score lot of East Med. Some people mentioned Carpathian Slavs are mixed with Vlachs. It looks like standard admixture there.

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Originally Posted by Nato

Russian 1 unnumbered, colored in Orange
Russian 2 unnumbered, colored in Pink
31 - Russian 3
32 - Russian 4
33 - Montenegrin
34 - Arhat (Russian, Pashtun)
35 - Silenkiller (Russian, Belarusian) , colored in dark Green

Arhat probably is closest to steppe Indo-Europeans of all.

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Yes, Arhat even looks very Aryan (I saw his photos). His Y-DNA is straight up Indo-Aryan (Sintashta).

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Originally Posted by Nato

Maybe Vlach/Romanian-like ancestry?

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Could be some Armenian ancestry, see my thread below:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...n-Commonwealth

Or just some very ancient substrate ancestry in this region.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Well, pure Ashkenazi Jews are like 6-7% Red Sea or so. If he is only 1/4, the minor Red Sea percentage could have been sucked into the East Med which is a similar thing anyway. However I can't be sure.

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Hes not 1/4 you just invent..

Hes partly from Eastern Galicia, Red Army pickup

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Originally Posted by Peterski

Could be some Armenian ancestry:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...n-Commonwealth

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There is no Armenians in Eastern Galicia

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Originally Posted by Nato

Maybe Vlach/Romanian-like ancestry ? Vlachs score lot of East Med. Some people mentioned Carpathian Slavs are mixed with Vlachs. It looks like standard admixture there.

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Yes, there's many Ukrainians and even Moldovans in Russia after all. They tend to assimilate very fast and switch to Russian identity.

PLEASE ADD:

Prussian Jew (Posen Province), ancestral surnames Tannenbaum & Knobloch:

Eurogenes K15:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 25.7
2 West_Med 17.48
3 West_Asian 15.5
4 Atlantic 11.46
5 North_Sea 8.68
6 Red_Sea 7.63
7 Baltic 5.32
8 Eastern_Euro 2.9
9 South_Asian 1.56
10 Northeast_African 1.5
11 Siberian 0.96
12 Southeast_Asian 0.67
13 Sub-Saharan 0.64

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMfjzzuSg9o

https://i.imgur.com/PXderBY.png

36 - Hungarian 2

That Hungarian has a lot Balkan genetic

Prussian Jewish: Abscisse (x-axis): 651 pixel, Ordonnée (y-axis): 464 pixel

Specially for Cumansky so he can see how Prussian Jews plot.

https://i.imgur.com/yhw7RNx.png

37 - Jewish (Prussia)

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Originally Posted by Peterski

Prussian Jewish: Abscisse (x-axis): 651 pixel, Ordonnée (y-axis): 464 pixel

Specially for Cumansky so he can see how Prussian Jews plot.

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Look very pure, amazing.

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Originally Posted by Cumansky

There is no Armenians in Eastern Galicia

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There were, Lwów had an Armenian community, as well as a Sephardic Jewish community.

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Originally Posted by Cumansky

That Hungarian has a lot Balkan genetic

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Apparently lot of Hungarians do.

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Originally Posted by Nato

Look very pure, amazing.

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This is how she looks like (she lives in the USA, but all of her ancestors are Prussian Jews):

[img]okay photo deleted[/img]

^^^ Can pass as German-American? :) See my thread:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...icans-are-Jews

^^^Nope, I think she looks very typical European Jewish. In Zagreb there are old Jewish ladies like her.

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Originally Posted by Peterski

She has the same phenotype as you Nato. Alpine-Med.

I told you that you look more Jewish than German.

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I can pass for both German and Jewish. Even for Ukrainian or Azeri Turkmen lol, my look is very versatile.

I look like my mother, but with father pigmentation (black hair, blue eyes). My mother is lighter than us (medium brown hair, blue eyes and very pale skin), but she looks quite Jewish. In face I mean.
suprised I score no Jewish, I tought she would have some because she really look like one.

She is 3/4 Croat 1/4 Czech.

@Nato, you forgot the Slavic knez of the Balkans - Vlatko Abdullah Haji Vuković xD

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Originally Posted by Leto

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 22.02
2 North_Sea 18.97
3 Eastern_Euro 15.5
4 Atlantic 13.61
5 West_Med 11.3
6 East_Med 8.29
7 West_Asian 7.71
8 Red_Sea 1.62
9 Amerindian 0.53
10 Siberian 0.44

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 1.98
2 Croatian 4.18
3 Hungarian 6.66
4 Serbian 8.02
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.24
6 Ukrainian 9.02
7 South_Polish 9.16
8 Austrian 9.56
9 Romanian 9.79
10 East_German 11.58
11 Polish 11.98
12 Bulgarian 12.08
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 12.31
14 Russian_Smolensk 12.56
15 Southwest_Russian 12.85
16 Belorussian 14.65
17 Estonian_Polish 14.66
18 Kargopol_Russian 15.78
19 Finnish 16.37
20 Southwest_Finnish 16.44

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74.4% Ukrainian + 25.6% Central_Greek @ 1.69
2 93.3% Moldavian + 6.7% Ukrainian @ 1.88
3 85.6% Moldavian + 14.4% Croatian @ 1.88
4 96.8% Moldavian + 3.2% Lithuanian @ 1.89
5 96.2% Moldavian + 3.8% Belorussian @ 1.9
6 95.5% Moldavian + 4.5% Polish @ 1.9
7 93.5% Moldavian + 6.5% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 1.9
8 94.2% Moldavian + 5.8% South_Polish @ 1.91
9 96.5% Moldavian + 3.5% Estonian_Polish @ 1.91
10 97.2% Moldavian + 2.8% Estonian @ 1.93
11 93.5% Moldavian + 6.5% Hungarian @ 1.93
12 96.6% Moldavian + 3.4% Russian_Smolensk @ 1.93
13 96.9% Moldavian + 3.1% Southwest_Russian @ 1.94
14 97.2% Moldavian + 2.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.95
15 68.5% Ukrainian + 31.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.97
16 98.8% Moldavian + 1.2% Southwest_Finnish @ 1.97
17 99.1% Moldavian + 0.9% Erzya @ 1.98
18 99% Moldavian + 1% Finnish @ 1.98
19 98.7% Moldavian + 1.3% East_German @ 1.98
20 98.4% Moldavian + 1.6% Austrian @ 1.98


I will place him on the map now.

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https://i.imgur.com/bePP97X.png

38 - Vlatko Vuković (Bosniak)

He is very ''pure'' Southern Slav in terms of Admixture, mostly Slavic and some Balkan, not much else. Good example for Serbo-Croatian speakers.

I don't understand something. Vlatko's distance to Moldova is really small - only about 2 points. Why is he so distant from Moldova on the PCA?

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Originally Posted by Leto

I don't understand something. Vlatko's distance to Moldova is really small - only about 2 points. Why is he so distant from Moldova on the PCA?

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I noticed on PCA you don't necessary come close to your top match in Oracles. But don't know why, anyone know ?

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Originally Posted by Nato

He is very ''pure'' Southern Slav in terms of Admixture, mostly Slavic and some Balkan, not much else. Good example for Serbo-Croatian speakers.

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Years ago there was a TA member called Hrulj. He was a Muslim Bosniak but said he didn't understand Serbian and Croatian as they were foreign languages to him. He also considered himself Illyrian and said Slavs and Russians were subhumans (he looked Slavic and could pass as Russian as well).