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Originally Posted by Bosniensis
Interesting. He is more northern shifted than what I would expect a Vlach from Greece to be. His closest match here are Romanians.Quote:
Originally Posted by paradox
About half of today Serbia..It does not mean much, given the communist crazy borders..Raška,Duklja,Travunija,Paganija,Zahumlje. .That what is important..Quote:
Originally Posted by Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić
What various Vlachs, your dad included, are or they are not genetically is easily solved with a 50 dollar autosomal test. Don't pollute the thread with your butthurt and anti-Greek propaganda, thanks in advance.Quote:
Originally Posted by paradox
Those who dislike their results, don't need to worry cause they can still plan their "paleoxxxxx" identity.
In 3000 years if someone uncover their DNA, they will be called "paleoxxxx" people
You just have to die on a specific location you like the most.
Were not Serbia.Quote:
Originally Posted by HungryLion
They were not Magyars as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić
wut ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bosniensis
inhabited by Serbs..Quote:
Originally Posted by Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić
Duklja and Travunija yes, Zahumlje and Paganija probably not.Quote:
Originally Posted by HungryLion
Anyone wanna be the first to upgrade to premium map? :lol:
We have seen so many maps I doubt there is any value in it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Markos
Even all of this we already knew.
Lol in all historical sources it is written that they are?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić
Zahumljani are almost confirmed as Y56203..
Do you know your haplogroup?Quote:
Originally Posted by paradox
Maybe Greece should stop acting like an insecure third world nation and give them some minority rights.Quote:
Originally Posted by dosas
Dude, you are speaking about DAI and this is not primarly source besised it mentiones many unpleasant things about Serbs - slave origin of their ethnonym, lands emptied by Bulgarians etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by HungryLion
Paganija was inhabited by Neretljani, separate South Slavic tribe.
I am quite tried of you claims of Croatian Lands. You have Serbia , stick to that. Interesting how I don't see such agressive Bulgarian claims on Serbian lands and they have lot of material for that.
They are just more civilised I guess.
Most of Serbs in present day Serbia originated from Dinaric region few centuries in the past. 300 years ago central and western Serbia were almost empty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić
Only Shopi (Torlaks) from southeastern Serbia and few enclaves in other parts of Serbia are there since middle age.
Migration paths!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bosniensis
Nothing remarkable here:
https://i.imgur.com/DsbZGZN.png
Real Serbs (R1a) constitute only 20% of Serbian population, in fact Serbs assimilated majority of Orthodox Vlachs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
The only reason why Serbs are BIG today is because Vlachs declare as Serbs and not Croats.
Similar phenomenon happened in Turkey.
Maybe it's worth contacting this website, to see if they have GEDmatch kit #'s to all of these Ancient population groups they're using as reference. It would be awesome if we could compare them 1v1
Croatian lands? Lol..Quote:
Originally Posted by Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić
Franks not even mention Croats..but okay.
It looks like you're taking a historical source just to suit you...
Serbia was emptied of population several times in history.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
Proto-Serbs were I2-PH908, R1a and probably some other haplogroups in small %.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bosniensis
Ahem, my father has done an autosomal test but it cost over $100. Let's see how gedmatch interprets his data. Eg. Eurogenes k13 he gets Romanian first @ 2.83 [emoji23]Quote:
Originally Posted by dosas
Yes, Croatia doesn't exist, Serbia until Tokyo. Don't complain about genocide than, few nations suffered such agression towards their lands, history and identity as we did under your short rule.Quote:
Originally Posted by HungryLion
And looks like nothing changed, you're still fanatical as always even after recent slap across the face.
Dude, it is time to learn the lesson. Serb expansionism will lead to more victims of your people. You had enough, calm down.
Yes, same happened imn Slavonia, Dalmatia and Lika. Northwestern Croatia have full population which is there since middle age, as Torlaks in Serbia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić
Zagorians and Međimurci are different from other Croatians in same level as Torlaks than other Serbs maybe even more.
Your wishful thinking won't make it reality. They had type of R1a modern Sorbs have and parhaps some DinN, I1. That's about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
Good thing for your dad is that he can relocate to his homeland of Romania so easily, since both countries are in the EU, where he can reunite with his people, instead of lamenting his butthurt over the intrawebz via a representative.Quote:
Originally Posted by paradox
That is because we North Croats have Panonnian Slav and Hallstat Celtic origin. But we have been incorporated with southern (White) Croats and Illyrians since 925, and that's quite long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
There is no such thing as Proto-Serbs, Serbs were created around 1000 A.D. when Scythian Slavic ruler Stefan Vojislav removed Roman governor of Singidunum (Belgrade) Theophilos Erotikos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
First Serbian King who assimilated Romans (Vlachs) is called King Mihajlo Vojisavljević who became King 1050 A.D.
All others before him were Princes who ruled as Archons along with Romans as direct Vassals to Roman Governors.
From 1050 - 1900+ there was a process called: Slavicization of the Romans on Balkans.
There was no particular issues since Both Serbs and Vlachs were loyal to Roman Empire after Schism and Roman Religion later known as Orthodox Christianity.
That's why we see Serbs as Vlachs.
Do you know that even Romans called themselves Vlachs on Balkans?
Blachernae (Greek: Βλαχέρναι) was a suburb in the northwestern section of Constantinople, the capital city of the Byzantine Empire. It is the site of a water source and a number of prominent churches were built there, most notably the great Church of St. Mary of Blachernae (Panagia Blacherniotissa).
The Romanian philologist Ilie Gherghel, wrote a study about Blachernae and concluded that it possibly derived from the name of a Vlach (sometimes written as Blach or Blasi), who came to Constantinople from the lower Danube, a region named today Dobruja.[2] Gherghel compared data from old historians like Genesios and from the Greek lexicon Suidas and mentioned the existence of a small colony of Vlachs in the area of today Blachernae. Similar opinions were sustained by Lisseanu[3]. The name Blachernae appeared in a work of Theophanes Confessor in connection with a revolt of Flavius Vitalianus against Anastasius Emperor in 513
So NO.
Serbs are More Vlachs than they are Western Slavic Serbian People how they identify.
Sorbs obviously have nothing to do with Serbs. Their clade of R1a doesn't even match Serbs and I2a is non existant in them. Sorbs have as much to do with Serbs as Caucasus Albania has to do with Albanians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić
There's no consensus on the Serb Ethnonym but the Serboi Sarmatian theory is more likely.
Wrong. R1a M458 exist in Serbs, Tesla had it. It is true however you have not much genetic continuity with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ayetooey
It isn't disputed White Serbs came from East Germany where Dervan's Serbia was located, whoever denies that has agenda. And that Sorbs (Lužički Srbi) are their descendants.
So look at proto-Serb genetics among them.
Aren't you an Anatolian? Vlachs are more native to Macedonia than you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by dosas
You are boring with your Vlachic propaganda.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bosniensis
Vlachs are not Romans, they are East Romance speakers. Vlachs were created as mix of many people which were present in Balkans in the last few thousands years including Slavs.
Sorry, white knights are not graced with responses. Your ad homs are hysterical, though. Carry on, boy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carpatz
It is interesting that my no 1 match is the Celtic/Viking from Iceland as my no 1 match on the G25 is also Iceland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley
I didn't mean to do a second post but to add onto my original post. :picard2: