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08-26-2019, 10:37 PM
Dolofonos

Quote:

Originally Posted by CommonSense

OP, do you have any kits from southern or eastern Serbia?

This guy is a mix. His father is from Zajecar and mother from Leskovac. Haplogroup I1. His distant paternal origin is from Kosovo, that’s all he knows about his family.

Population Percent
1 Baltic 21.8
2 North_Sea 18.87
3 Atlantic 15.08
4 West_Med 11.61
5 Eastern_Euro 10.79
6 East_Med 10.7
7 West_Asian 9.84
8 Red_Sea 1.31

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 32.21
2 North_Atlantic 25.09
3 West_Med 15.55
4 East_Med 15.5
5 West_Asian 9.87
6 Red_Sea 1.22
7 South_Asian 0.39
8 Siberian 0.18
08-26-2019, 10:45 PM
Dušan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dick

This guy is a mix. His father is from Zajecar and mother from Leskovac. Haplogroup I1. His distant paternal origin is from Kosovo, that’s all he knows about his family.

Population Percent
1 Baltic 21.8
2 North_Sea 18.87
3 Atlantic 15.08
4 West_Med 11.61
5 Eastern_Euro 10.79
6 East_Med 10.7
7 West_Asian 9.84
8 Red_Sea 1.31

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 32.21
2 North_Atlantic 25.09
3 West_Med 15.55
4 East_Med 15.5
5 West_Asian 9.87
6 Red_Sea 1.22
7 South_Asian 0.39
8 Siberian 0.18

https://i.imgur.com/AXPNV2C.jpg
08-26-2019, 11:04 PM
CommonSense

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dick

This guy is a mix. His father is from Zajecar and mother from Leskovac. Haplogroup I1. His distant paternal origin is from Kosovo, that’s all he knows about his family.

Population Percent
1 Baltic 21.8
2 North_Sea 18.87
3 Atlantic 15.08
4 West_Med 11.61
5 Eastern_Euro 10.79
6 East_Med 10.7
7 West_Asian 9.84
8 Red_Sea 1.31

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 32.21
2 North_Atlantic 25.09
3 West_Med 15.55
4 East_Med 15.5
5 West_Asian 9.87
6 Red_Sea 1.22
7 South_Asian 0.39
8 Siberian 0.18

Cool. Extremely similar K13 components to this man who's father is from Bela Palanka county and his mother from Šumadija (the kit number is in that thread too):

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post5799991
08-26-2019, 11:06 PM
Leto

So ~33% Baltic is the highest percentage any Serb has scored so far?
08-26-2019, 11:08 PM
Pribislav

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

So ~33% Baltic is the highest percentage any Serb has scored so far?

Dušan is recorder with 33.8%, from what I have seen.
08-26-2019, 11:14 PM
CommonSense

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pribislav

Dušan is recorder with 33.8%, from what I have seen.

I noticed a lot of Bosnian muslims tend to get ~ 35% Baltic, but a low North Atlantic score. Ironic, considering how much they despise being Slavic and sport a Neo-Illyrian identity.
08-26-2019, 11:17 PM
Pribislav

Quote:

Originally Posted by CommonSense

I noticed a lot of Bosnian muslims tend to get ~ 35% Baltic, but a low North Atlantic score. Ironic, considering how much they despise being Slavic and sport a Neo-Illyrian identity.

Some BiH muslims claim Gothic origin. :lol: One muslim troll girl which was present on Krstarica was obsessed with Gothic origin.
08-26-2019, 11:20 PM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pribislav

Dušan is recorder with 33.8%, from what I have seen.

He is pretty 'Slavic' by looks too. For example Bosniensis' looks wouldn't be considred 'Slavic' in Russia.
08-26-2019, 11:21 PM
Cumansky

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This Pole from Ivano-Frankivsk has lowest Baltic I ever seen for Pole 37.04

He get Croatian #1, Moldovan #2

Attachment 90748
08-26-2019, 11:22 PM
Pribislav

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

He is pretty 'Slavic' by looks too. For example Bosniensis' looks wouldn't be considred 'Slavic' in Russia.

I think Bosniensis is 28% Baltic, or something.

Interesting, Dušan and Bosniensis have a match in y dna.
08-26-2019, 11:23 PM
Dolofonos

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pribislav

Some BiH muslims claim Gothic origin. :lol: One muslim troll girl which was present on Krstarica was obsessed with Gothic origin.

Supposedly Zepce was named after the Gepids, no joke, from what some have claimed
08-26-2019, 11:26 PM
Pribislav

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dick

Supposedly Zepce was named after the Gepids, no joke, from what some have claimed

Muslim troll girl from Krstarica is from Gacko https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gacko

She say Gacko is Gotsko, from Gothic settlers in the early middle age. She also say that her grear-grandfather was Germanic looking, and Kotromanići were of Gothic origin. :)
08-26-2019, 11:26 PM
Leto

In Croats I think 37% is the highest I've seen - that was Max Soldo. He refused to post other calculators for some reason when I asked him. But 37% is a lot for the region. I posted a Southwestern Ukrainian family and they were in that range (Moldovan-shifted).
08-26-2019, 11:35 PM
CommonSense

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pribislav

Muslim troll girl from Krstarica is from Gacko https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gacko

She say Gacko is Gotsko, from Gothic settlers in the early middle age. She also say that her grear-grandfather was Germanic looking, and Kotromanići were of Gothic origin. :)

Gacko is literally core Serbian territory. There is only one ethnicity her ancestors could have been :D
08-26-2019, 11:35 PM
Cumansky

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cumansky

This Pole from Ivano-Frankivsk has lowest Baltic I ever seen for Pole 37.04

He get Croatian #1, Moldovan #2

Attachment 90748

And origin of his surname

"Wiśniewski(Polish pronunciation:[viɕˈɲɛfskʲi]; feminine:Wiśniewska, pluralWiśniewscy) is the thirdmost commonsurnameinPoland(111,174 people in 2009).[1]The name roughly translates to "from the town of the cherry tree". The English transliterated equivalentVishnevskiis common among other Slavic people: Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians and others. In non-slavic Romania, the name took the Latin derived suffix–escu, asVișinescu(orVișnescu), and in Lithuania isVyšniauskas.

History

House of Wiśniowiecki, a Polish princely family of Ruthenian-Lithuanian origin"
08-26-2019, 11:43 PM
CommonSense

Here's a close relative of the guy whose results I linked. He is from the same village as that man's mother. Somebody plot him, please:

K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 32.48
2 North_Atlantic 27.03
3 West_Med 15.27
4 East_Med 13.77
5 West_Asian 10.42
6 Siberian 0.79
7 East_Asian 0.2
8 Amerindian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 4.47
2 Serbian 5.52
3 Croatian 5.74
4 Hungarian 6.75
5 Romanian 8.76
6 Austrian 10.8
7 Bulgarian 10.85
8 East_German 11.67
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.02
10 South_Polish 12.23
11 Ukrainian 13.02
12 Polish 16
13 Southwest_Russian 16.32
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.48
15 West_German 17.51
16 Russian_Smolensk 18.12
17 Estonian_Polish 18.71
18 South_Dutch 19.01
19 Belorussian 19.18
20 Greek_Thessaly 19.77

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.1% Bulgarian + 46.9% South_Polish @ 1.98
2 58.6% Romanian + 41.4% South_Polish @ 2.1
3 60.3% Romanian + 39.7% Ukrainian @ 2.39
4 68.9% South_Polish + 31.1% Central_Greek @ 2.41
5 72% South_Polish + 28% South_Italian @ 2.5
6 65.3% Romanian + 34.7% Polish @ 2.5
7 73.8% Romanian + 26.2% Lithuanian @ 2.64
8 62.1% South_Polish + 37.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.66
9 62.1% Croatian + 37.9% Romanian @ 2.67
10 77.1% Serbian + 22.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.68
11 66.7% Ukrainian + 33.3% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.68
12 60% Bulgarian + 40% Polish @ 2.69
13 68.3% Romanian + 31.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.72
14 73.3% Romanian + 26.7% Estonian @ 2.75
15 67.6% Croatian + 32.4% Bulgarian @ 2.76
16 69.5% Romanian + 30.5% Belorussian @ 2.76
17 72.7% Serbian + 27.3% Ukrainian @ 2.78
18 68.2% South_Polish + 31.8% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.8
19 77.2% Serbian + 22.8% Southwest_Russian @ 2.81
20 68.5% Bulgarian + 31.5% Estonian @ 2.83

K15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 22.24
2 Baltic 22.14
3 Atlantic 12.74
4 Eastern_Euro 11.38
5 East_Med 11.08
6 West_Med 11.07
7 West_Asian 9.34

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 6
2 Hungarian 6.88
3 Croatian 7.91
4 Serbian 8.39
5 Romanian 9.16
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.73
7 Austrian 10.91
8 Bulgarian 11.56
9 Ukrainian 11.87
10 South_Polish 11.98
11 East_German 12.29
12 Polish 15.01
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 15.71
14 Russian_Smolensk 15.93
15 Southwest_Russian 16.26
16 West_German 17.47
17 Greek_Thessaly 17.55
18 Belorussian 17.7
19 Finnish 17.86
20 Southwest_Finnish 17.91

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.3% Ukrainian_Lviv + 36.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.22
2 60.7% Ukrainian + 39.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.43
3 71.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 28.9% Central_Greek @ 4.61
4 74% Ukrainian_Lviv + 26% South_Italian @ 4.67
5 51.8% Greek_Thessaly + 48.2% Estonian @ 4.7
6 60.5% South_Polish + 39.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.71
7 68.7% Ukrainian + 31.3% Central_Greek @ 4.84
8 55.2% Romanian + 44.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.89
9 70.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 29.2% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.89
10 71.7% Ukrainian + 28.3% South_Italian @ 4.92
11 72.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 27.8% East_Sicilian @ 4.95
12 58.5% Romanian + 41.5% Ukrainian @ 5.06
13 90.1% Hungarian + 9.9% Armenian @ 5.15
14 69.8% Ukrainian + 30.2% East_Sicilian @ 5.16
15 68.4% Ukrainian + 31.6% Italian_Abruzzo @ 5.17
16 90.2% Hungarian + 9.8% Assyrian @ 5.21
17 52.4% Ukrainian_Lviv + 47.6% Bulgarian @ 5.23
18 90.4% Hungarian + 9.6% Georgian_Jewish @ 5.26
19 67% Ukrainian_Lviv + 33% Greek @ 5.27
20 77% Ukrainian_Lviv + 23% Italian_Jewish @ 5.31
08-26-2019, 11:44 PM
Pribislav

Quote:

Originally Posted by CommonSense

Gacko is literally core Serbian territory. There is only one ethnicity her ancestors could have been :D

I know.
Many Serbs from various regions have deeper origin from Gacko, Bileća, Stolac, Ljubinje, Trebinje, Nevesinje, Piva, Banjani, Drobnjaci, Rudine/Krivošije and Nikšić areas (East and Old Herzegovina).

She is perma banned on Krstarica about 3 motnhs ago, after the years of trolling and spreading anti-Serbian bullshits.
08-26-2019, 11:54 PM
Cumansky

Quote:

Originally Posted by CommonSense

I noticed a lot of Bosnian muslims tend to get ~ 35% Baltic, but a low North Atlantic score. Ironic, considering how much they despise being Slavic and sport a Neo-Illyrian identity.

Maybe they my bloodline don't be trying diss them

"Polesare one of 17 constitutionally recognizedethnic minoritiesinBosnia and Herzegovina. They arrived during theAustro-Hungarian rule in Bosnia and Herzegovinaand settled mostly in the north ofBosnia proper, bringing new technology and skilled manpower. Their destiny was tied closely to that of theUkrainianminority, with whom they joined theYugoslav Resistanceafter theAxis invasion of Yugoslavia. After theSecond World War, Bosnian Poles faced difficulties with establishing their rights as a minority as well as persecution by local population and remainingfascistcollaborators. This forced a vast majority to answer the Polish government's call for repatriation. There were around 30,000 Poles in Bosnia and Herzegovina in 1930, while their number today is estimated to be less than a thousand, with communities in the major cities ofSarajevo,Banja Luka,ZenicaandMostar."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pole...nd_Herzegovina
08-27-2019, 12:00 AM
Pribislav

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cumansky

Maybe they my bloodline don't be trying diss them

"Polesare one of 17 constitutionally recognizedethnic minoritiesinBosnia and Herzegovina. They arrived during theAustro-Hungarian rule in Bosnia and Herzegovinaand settled mostly in the north ofBosnia proper, bringing new technology and skilled manpower. Their destiny was tied closely to that of theUkrainianminority, with whom they joined theYugoslav Resistanceafter theAxis invasion of Yugoslavia. After theSecond World War, Bosnian Poles faced difficulties with establishing their rights as a minority as well as persecution by local population and remainingfascistcollaborators. This forced a vast majority to answer the Polish government's call for repatriation. There were around 30,000 Poles in Bosnia and Herzegovina in 1930, while their number today is estimated to be less than a thousand, with communities in the major cities ofSarajevo,Banja Luka,ZenicaandMostar."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pole...nd_Herzegovina

Most of people in Bosnia with Ukrainian, Polish, Slovak, German, Italian and Czech origin live in Prnjavor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prnjav...nd_Herzegovina

Ukrainians in Prnjavor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_deBcd0_KeQ
08-27-2019, 12:03 AM
Cumansky

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pribislav

Most of people in Bosnia with Ukrainian, Polish, Slovak, German, Italian and Czech origin live in Prnjavor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prnjav...nd_Herzegovina

Ukrainian minority in Prnjavor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_deBcd0_KeQ

How many got assimilated tho and lost their identity? I think alot, no? And your country has much less population too only in single millions
08-27-2019, 12:10 AM
Leto

I have found Max Soldo's results. He fucking left the forum, so it seams.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Max Soldo

K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 37.56
2 North_Atlantic 25.91
3 West_Med 13.55
4 East_Med 11.86
5 West_Asian 6.66
6 Red_Sea 2.05
7 Amerindian 0.73
8 East_Asian 0.64
9 Siberian 0.56
10 South_Asian 0.47
11 Sub-Saharan 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 3.21
2 Moldavian 5.17
3 Ukrainian_Lviv 7.2
4 Hungarian 7.92
5 South_Polish 8.04
6 Ukrainian 8.08
7 Serbian 10.22
8 Polish 11.11
9 Southwest_Russian 11.15
10 Ukrainian_Belgorod 11.66
11 East_German 12.08
12 Austrian 12.42
13 Russian_Smolensk 12.85
14 Estonian_Polish 13.19
15 Romanian 13.77
16 Belorussian 13.8
17 Bulgarian 15.55
18 Kargopol_Russian 15.79
19 Southwest_Finnish 17.39
20 Erzya 17.44

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.2% Estonian_Polish + 45.8% Bulgarian @ 1.5
2 83.6% Ukrainian + 16.4% Italian_Jewish @ 1.57
3 63.6% Lithuanian + 36.4% West_Sicilian @ 1.57
4 80.7% Ukrainian + 19.3% Ashkenazi @ 1.58
5 64.9% Estonian_Polish + 35.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.58
6 53% Belorussian + 47% Bulgarian @ 1.61
7 51.1% Estonian_Polish + 48.9% Romanian @ 1.63
8 63.8% Belorussian + 36.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.65
9 70.9% Estonian_Polish + 29.1% West_Sicilian @ 1.67
10 83.7% Ukrainian + 16.3% Sephardic_Jewish @ 1.72
11 73.1% Estonian_Polish + 26.9% South_Italian @ 1.72
12 84.7% Ukrainian + 15.3% Tunisian_Jewish @ 1.74
13 57% Lithuanian + 43% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.74
14 83.6% Ukrainian + 16.4% Algerian_Jewish @ 1.76
15 70.1% Estonian_Polish + 29.9% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.82
16 75.1% Polish + 24.9% Ashkenazi @ 1.86
17 70.5% Estonian_Polish + 29.5% Central_Greek @ 1.87
18 84.8% Ukrainian + 15.2% Libyan_Jewish @ 1.89
19 71.5% Russian_Smolensk + 28.5% West_Sicilian @ 1.89
20 54.2% Bulgarian + 45.8% Lithuanian @ 1.91

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Croatian @ 3.638055
2 Moldavian @ 5.816737
3 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 8.260010
4 Hungarian @ 9.028143
5 South_Polish @ 9.182208
6 Ukrainian @ 9.227838
7 Serbian @ 11.565655
8 Southwest_Russian @ 12.573189
9 Polish @ 12.737400
10 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 13.212790
11 East_German @ 13.901258
12 Austrian @ 14.234416
13 Russian_Smolensk @ 14.633544
14 Estonian_Polish @ 14.996794
15 Belorussian @ 15.646497
16 Romanian @ 15.662062
17 Kargopol_Russian @ 17.596548
18 Bulgarian @ 17.735836
19 Erzya @ 19.417906
20 Southwest_Finnish @ 19.800667

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Estonian_Polish +50% Romanian @ 1.779136

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Belorussian +25% Croatian +25% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.525921

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Belorussian + Croatian + Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly @ 1.395683
2 Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Serbian @ 1.439072
3 Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + Lithuanian + Serbian @ 1.455109
4 Belorussian + Estonian_Polish + South_Italian + Ukrainian @ 1.476811
5 Croatian + Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly @ 1.495454
6 Belorussian + Greek_Thessaly + Lithuanian + Serbian @ 1.505277
7 Belorussian + Belorussian + Croatian + Greek_Thessaly @ 1.525921
8 Belorussian + Belorussian + South_Italian + Ukrainian @ 1.548141
9 Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Polish + South_Italian @ 1.566728
10 Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + South_Italian + Ukrainian @ 1.615616
11 Belorussian + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian + West_Sicilian @ 1.617654
12 Estonian_Polish + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian + West_Sicilian @ 1.617889
13 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish + Serbian @ 1.627264
14 Greek_Thessaly + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Serbian @ 1.627536
15 Croatian + Estonian_Polish + Lithuanian + West_Sicilian @ 1.642035
16 Belorussian + Croatian + Greek_Thessaly + Russian_Smolensk @ 1.643572
17 Belorussian + Estonian_Polish + Polish + South_Italian @ 1.650622
18 Belorussian + East_Sicilian + Polish + Ukrainian @ 1.652182
19 Belorussian + Belorussian + Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian @ 1.654501
20 Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Ukrainian + West_Sicilian @ 1.660573

Quote:

Originally Posted by Max Soldo

K15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 23.01
2 North_Sea 19.29
3 Eastern_Euro 16.3
4 Atlantic 15.67
5 West_Med 9.26
6 East_Med 8.22
7 West_Asian 5.38
8 Red_Sea 2.12
9 South_Asian 0.33
10 Amerindian 0.28
11 Southeast_Asian 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 3.11
2 Moldavian 4.45
3 Hungarian 6.08
4 Ukrainian_Lviv 6.74
5 South_Polish 6.99
6 Ukrainian 7.38
7 Austrian 8.26
8 Serbian 9.04
9 Polish 9.46
10 Russian_Smolensk 10.21
11 Ukrainian_Belgorod 10.52
12 East_German 10.68
13 Southwest_Russian 10.83
14 Romanian 11.56
15 Belorussian 12.17
16 Estonian_Polish 12.26
17 Bulgarian 13.85
18 Kargopol_Russian 14.18
19 Southwest_Finnish 14.44
20 Estonian 14.44

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.4% Polish + 30.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.25
2 63.7% Serbian + 36.3% Lithuanian @ 1.46
3 83.9% South_Polish + 16.1% Algerian_Jewish @ 1.5
4 83.5% South_Polish + 16.5% Italian_Jewish @ 1.56
5 79.6% Ukrainian + 20.4% West_Sicilian @ 1.66
6 83.1% Ukrainian + 16.9% Sephardic_Jewish @ 1.68
7 79.8% South_Polish + 20.2% Ashkenazi @ 1.73
8 83.9% South_Polish + 16.1% Sephardic_Jewish @ 1.77
9 85.2% South_Polish + 14.8% Libyan_Jewish @ 1.79
10 74.9% Polish + 25.1% Central_Greek @ 1.8
11 74.2% Polish + 25.8% Ashkenazi @ 1.82
12 85.2% South_Polish + 14.8% Tunisian_Jewish @ 1.91
13 78.9% Ukrainian + 21.1% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.92
14 76% South_Polish + 24% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.95
15 75.4% Polish + 24.6% East_Sicilian @ 1.95
16 83.4% Ukrainian + 16.6% Algerian_Jewish @ 1.97
17 80.9% South_Polish + 19.1% East_Sicilian @ 1.98
18 82.9% Ukrainian + 17.1% Italian_Jewish @ 1.99
19 85.9% South_Polish + 14.1% Cyprian @ 1.99
20 75.8% Ukrainian + 24.2% Greek @ 2.02

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Croatian @ 3.575072
2 Moldavian @ 5.067605
3 Hungarian @ 7.067440
4 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 7.803011
5 South_Polish @ 8.094961
6 Ukrainian @ 8.554295
7 Austrian @ 9.594248
8 Serbian @ 10.409708
9 Polish @ 10.975070
10 Russian_Smolensk @ 11.751933
11 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 12.100362
12 Southwest_Russian @ 12.422855
13 East_German @ 12.481360
14 Romanian @ 13.441813
15 Belorussian @ 13.971404
16 Estonian_Polish @ 14.181146
17 Kargopol_Russian @ 16.025404
18 Bulgarian @ 16.148697
19 Finnish @ 16.470482
20 Estonian @ 16.560123

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Serbian +50% Ukrainian @ 2.680840

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Estonian_Polish +25% Greek_Thessaly +25% Hungarian @ 1.363056

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + Hungarian @ 1.363056
2 Estonian_Polish + Italian_Abruzzo + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 1.366858
3 Ashkenazi + Polish + Polish + Ukrainian @ 1.386683
4 Central_Greek + Polish + Polish + Ukrainian @ 1.484745
5 Belorussian + Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + Hungarian @ 1.491905
6 Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + Hungarian + Southwest_Russian @ 1.493700
7 Belorussian + Italian_Abruzzo + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 1.503471
8 Belorussian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + West_Sicilian @ 1.512827
9 Central_Greek + Estonian_Polish + Polish + Ukrainian @ 1.563311
10 Estonian_Polish + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + West_Sicilian @ 1.569397
11 Greek + Polish + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 1.599997
12 Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + Hungarian + Polish @ 1.604830
13 East_Sicilian + Estonian_Polish + Polish + Ukrainian @ 1.612981
14 Southwest_Russian + Tuscan + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 1.631024
15 East_Sicilian + Polish + Polish + Ukrainian @ 1.647253
16 Belorussian + East_Sicilian + Polish + Ukrainian @ 1.700251
17 Belorussian + Central_Greek + Polish + Ukrainian @ 1.705640
18 Lithuanian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + West_Sicilian @ 1.711737
19 Greek + Polish + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 1.714528
20 Tuscan + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.714545
08-27-2019, 12:12 AM
Pribislav

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cumansky

How many got assimilated tho and lost their identity? I think alot, no? And your country has much less population too only in single millions

Some are assimilated, and some returned to their native countries in communist period and 1990s. Very few of them preserved fully identity of their ancestors who stayed in Prnjavor. Girl on 1:32 has Serbian surname, she say that she learn Ukrainian language and about Ukrainian culture.

Look this thread, maybe some of them look Polish and Ukrainian https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...-Serbian-town)
08-27-2019, 12:20 AM
Cumansky

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pribislav

Some are assimilated, and some returned to their native countries in communist period and 1990s. Very few of them preserved fully identity of their ancestors who stayed in Prnjavor. Girl on 1:32 has Serbian surname, she say that she learn Ukrainian language and about Ukrainian culture.

Look this thread, maybe some of them look Polish and Ukrainian https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...-Serbian-town)

I guess they look closer to North Slavic than average Yugos IMO, but some of us look like Yugos to begin with lol so is hard to know forsure unless they buy Y-DNA SNP Pack
08-27-2019, 12:27 AM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by CommonSense

I noticed a lot of Bosnian muslims tend to get ~ 35% Baltic, but a low North Atlantic score. Ironic, considering how much they despise being Slavic and sport a Neo-Illyrian identity.

Like Vlatko Vukovic

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Kit T448560

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 35.4
2 North_Atlantic 24.46
3 West_Med 15.36
4 East_Med 11.96
5 West_Asian 8.24
6 Red_Sea 2.09
7 Siberian 1.61
8 Amerindian 0.89

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 3.03
2 Croatian 3.83
3 Hungarian 8.25
4 Serbian 8.36
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.17
6 Ukrainian 10.34
7 South_Polish 10.47
8 Romanian 11.43
9 Austrian 12.7
10 East_German 12.82
11 Bulgarian 13.13
12 Southwest_Russian 13.46
13 Polish 13.62
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 13.88
15 Russian_Smolensk 15.34
16 Estonian_Polish 15.76
17 Belorussian 16.52
18 Kargopol_Russian 17.45
19 Erzya 18.85
20 Tatar 19.45

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.9% Ukrainian + 26.1% Central_Greek @ 1.78
2 68.1% Ukrainian + 31.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.83
3 74.7% Ukrainian + 25.3% East_Sicilian @ 1.86
4 76.5% Ukrainian + 23.5% South_Italian @ 1.89
5 56.1% Ukrainian + 43.9% Bulgarian @ 1.94
6 59.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 40.8% Bulgarian @ 2.03
7 54.7% Bulgarian + 45.3% Estonian_Polish @ 2.06
8 70.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 29.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.13
9 79% Ukrainian + 21% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.2
10 61.6% Bulgarian + 38.4% Lithuanian @ 2.29
11 54% Bulgarian + 46% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.29
12 79.2% Ukrainian + 20.8% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.31
13 58.2% Romanian + 41.8% Estonian_Polish @ 2.34
14 76.4% Ukrainian_Lviv + 23.6% Central_Greek @ 2.34
15 78.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 21.1% South_Italian @ 2.36
16 79.2% Ukrainian + 20.8% Italian_Jewish @ 2.39
17 81.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 18.9% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.4
18 81.1% Ukrainian + 18.9% Cyprian @ 2.41
19 52.6% Ukrainian + 47.4% Romanian @ 2.42
20 77.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 22.8% East_Sicilian @ 2.45

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 22.03
2 North_Sea 18.99
3 Eastern_Euro 15.51
4 Atlantic 13.59
5 West_Med 11.3
6 East_Med 8.29
7 West_Asian 7.71
8 Red_Sea 1.62
9 Amerindian 0.52
10 Siberian 0.44

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 1.99
2 Croatian 4.2
3 Hungarian 6.66
4 Serbian 8.03
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.22
6 Ukrainian 9.01
7 South_Polish 9.15
8 Austrian 9.57
9 Romanian 9.81
10 East_German 11.58
11 Polish 11.98
12 Bulgarian 12.1
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 12.3
14 Russian_Smolensk 12.55
15 Southwest_Russian 12.84
16 Belorussian 14.64
17 Estonian_Polish 14.65
18 Kargopol_Russian 15.77
19 Finnish 16.36
20 Southwest_Finnish 16.43

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74.5% Ukrainian + 25.5% Central_Greek @ 1.69
2 93.1% Moldavian + 6.9% Ukrainian @ 1.88
3 85.8% Moldavian + 14.2% Croatian @ 1.89
4 96.7% Moldavian + 3.3% Lithuanian @ 1.89
5 96.2% Moldavian + 3.8% Belorussian @ 1.9
6 95.4% Moldavian + 4.6% Polish @ 1.9
7 93.4% Moldavian + 6.6% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 1.9
8 94.1% Moldavian + 5.9% South_Polish @ 1.91
9 96.5% Moldavian + 3.5% Estonian_Polish @ 1.91
10 97.1% Moldavian + 2.9% Estonian @ 1.92
11 93.4% Moldavian + 6.6% Hungarian @ 1.93
12 96.6% Moldavian + 3.4% Russian_Smolensk @ 1.94
13 96.8% Moldavian + 3.2% Southwest_Russian @ 1.94
14 97.2% Moldavian + 2.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.95
15 68.6% Ukrainian + 31.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.97
16 98.7% Moldavian + 1.3% Southwest_Finnish @ 1.97
17 99% Moldavian + 1% Erzya @ 1.98
18 98.9% Moldavian + 1.1% Finnish @ 1.98
19 98.7% Moldavian + 1.3% East_German @ 1.98
20 98.5% Moldavian + 1.5% Austrian @ 1.98
08-27-2019, 12:30 AM
Cumansky

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

I have found Max Soldo's results. He fucking left the forum, so it seams.

This guy Yugoslav? He has more northern admixture than the Pole
08-27-2019, 12:35 AM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cumansky

This guy Yugoslav? He has more northern admixture than the Pole

Yes, he is a Croat from Hercegovina. The most 'Balto-Slavic' Yugoslav I've seen. Probably there are some rare ones out there who can reach 38% Baltic but I am unaware of such cases. However keep in mind that some Croats score higher North Atlantic than Max Soldo. For example p2hter got well over 30% (vs. 25.9% in Max). Maybe sometimes one component takes a bit from another.
08-27-2019, 12:37 AM
CommonSense

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

Like Vlatko Vukovic

Good example. Here's another one, a Bosniak from Mostar. Dude wrote a book talking about his family's history and concluded that the carriers of his haplogroup have been present in Bosnia since almost 20 000 years ago xD

https://porodica-kurt.com/genetski-test/

Kit T401624

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 34
2 North_Atlantic 22.27
3 West_Med 17.38
4 East_Med 15.6
5 West_Asian 5.81
6 Red_Sea 2.77
7 Siberian 1
8 East_Asian 0.42
9 Northeast_African 0.41
10 Amerindian 0.32

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 6.6
2 Croatian 7.92
3 Serbian 8.03
4 Romanian 10.08
5 Bulgarian 11.04
6 Hungarian 11.18
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.19
8 Ukrainian 14.05
9 South_Polish 14.38
10 Austrian 15.22
11 East_German 15.71
12 Southwest_Russian 16.93
13 Polish 17.31
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.55
15 Russian_Smolensk 18.85
16 Estonian_Polish 18.98
17 Greek_Thessaly 19.02
18 Belorussian 19.74
19 Kargopol_Russian 20.97
20 West_German 21.91

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.7% Ukrainian + 28.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.5
2 50.1% Estonian_Polish + 49.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.71
3 65% Estonian_Polish + 35% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.8
4 56.1% Greek_Thessaly + 43.9% Lithuanian @ 3.94
5 67.1% Ukrainian + 32.9% Ashkenazi @ 3.97
6 72.1% Ukrainian + 27.9% Italian_Jewish @ 4.03
7 59.2% Lithuanian + 40.8% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.04
8 62% Estonian_Polish + 38% South_Italian @ 4.16
9 51% Greek_Thessaly + 49% Belorussian @ 4.16
10 59.2% Estonian_Polish + 40.8% East_Sicilian @ 4.17
11 65.2% Russian_Smolensk + 34.8% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.2
12 58.1% Ukrainian + 41.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.23
13 58.3% Estonian_Polish + 41.7% Central_Greek @ 4.29
14 65.3% Estonian_Polish + 34.7% Italian_Jewish @ 4.35
15 50.2% Russian_Smolensk + 49.8% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.37
16 73.5% Ukrainian_Lviv + 26.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.37
17 58.9% Estonian_Polish + 41.1% West_Sicilian @ 4.37
18 74% Ukrainian + 26% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.39
19 64.6% Bulgarian + 35.4% Estonian_Polish @ 4.39
20 66.8% Ukrainian + 33.2% East_Sicilian @ 4.4
08-27-2019, 12:42 AM
Cumansky

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

Yes, he is a Croat from Hercegovina. The most 'Balto-Slavic' Yugoslav I've seen. Probably there are some rare ones out there who can reach 38% Baltic but I am unaware of such cases. However keep in mind that some Croats score higher North Atlantic than Max Soldo. For example p2hter got well over 30% (vs. 25.9% in Max). Maybe sometimes one component takes a bit from another.

I think Ph2ter has distant Iberian ancestry, when you have Iberian ancestry your North Atlantic score gets inflated from Celtic ancestry. Ph2ter has 50/50 split with North Atlantic and Baltic unusual for any Slav but he still has alot Balto Slavic ancestry for his region
08-27-2019, 12:43 AM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by CommonSense

Good example. Here's another one, a Bosniak from Mostar. Dude wrote a book talking about his family's history and concluded that the carriers of his haplogroup have been present in Bosnia since almost 20 000 years ago xD

https://porodica-kurt.com/genetski-test/

His FTDNA is pretty much a 'basic bitch' South Slavic/Balkan result
https://porodicakurtdotcom.files.wor...?w=1860&h=1186
08-27-2019, 12:45 AM
Pribislav

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cumansky

I guess they look closer to North Slavic than average Yugos IMO, but some of us look like Yugos to begin with lol so is hard to know forsure unless they buy Y-DNA SNP Pack

K15 Eurogenes of one Serb from Prnjavor areа. His y dna is R1a>R-YP4278.

1 Baltic 22.36
2 North_Sea 20.34
3 Atlantic 12.84
4 West_Med 12.75
5 Eastrern_Euro 11.91
6 West_Asian 10.74
7 East_Med 7.28
8 Southeast_Asian 0.89
9 Red_Sea 0.75
10 Oceanin 0.12

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 4.6
2 Croatian 6.82
3 Hungarian 7.58
4 Serbian 9.06
5 Romanian 9.58
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.03
7 Austrian 11
8 Ukrainian 11.21
9 South_Polish 11.31
10 Bulgarian 11.88
11 East_German 12.02
12 Polish 14.44
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod
14 Russian_Smolensk 15.12
15 Southwest_Russian 15.62
16 Belorussian 17.2
17 Estonian_Polish 17.42
18 Finnish 18.2
19 Southwest_Finnish 18.24
20 West_German 18.51
https://i.imgur.com/ZCBBntD.jpg

His K36 map
https://i.imgur.com/ikneEnE.png
08-27-2019, 12:58 AM
Cumansky

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pribislav

K15 Eurogenes of one Serb from Prnjavor areа. His y dna is R1a>R-YP4278.

1 Baltic 22.36
2 North_Sea 20.34
3 Atlantic 12.84
4 West_Med 12.75
5 Eastrern_Euro 11.91
6 West_Asian 10.74
7 East_Med 7.28
8 Southeast_Asian 0.89
9 Red_Sea 0.75
10 Oceanin 0.12

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 4.6
2 Croatian 6.82
3 Hungarian 7.58
4 Serbian 9.06
5 Romanian 9.58
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.03
7 Austrian 11
8 Ukrainian 11.21
9 South_Polish 11.31
10 Bulgarian 11.88
11 East_German 12.02
12 Polish 14.44
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod
14 Russian_Smolensk 15.12
15 Southwest_Russian 15.62
16 Belorussian 17.2
17 Estonian_Polish 17.42
18 Finnish 18.2
19 Southwest_Finnish 18.24
20 West_German 18.51
https://i.imgur.com/ZCBBntD.jpg

His K36 map
https://i.imgur.com/ikneEnE.png

Similar as some people from Eastern Galicia, or Eastern Hungary, or Northern Moldova, etc
08-27-2019, 09:20 AM
vbnetkhio

i added all kits and k15 results which were posted, all Bulgarian kits i have,
also 4 Boykos from Galicia and this West Ukrainian> T895566
they are wierd, they don't seem to be a Ukrainian+Romanian mix. we'll see when more kits are added.

https://i.imgur.com/iASbXf5.png

https://i.imgur.com/QqHbt2n.png

https://i.imgur.com/m5uNK1R.png
08-27-2019, 10:00 AM
Jana

There is a Bosniak sample plotting like full NW Croat and practically in Czech cluster. Any info on him/her ?
08-27-2019, 10:11 AM
Dušan

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08-27-2019, 10:25 AM
vbnetkhio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feiichy

There is a Bosniak sample plotting like full NW Croat and practically in Czech cluster. Any info on him/her ?

it's a sample from that paper about Balkan genetics, posted by Ajeje Brazorf in the random gedmatch kits thread: Z793771 Bosnian15

there is a Croat from Croatia very close to him(Blue- Croats, Yellow-BiH Croats, Red-Bulgarians, Orange- Romanians, Grey-Gagauzes, Purple-Central Greeks(islanders?))
https://i.imgur.com/A74EqtU.png

i plotted this some time ago without saving kit numbers, i'll plot the Croat samples on this PCA too eventually.
08-27-2019, 10:28 AM
Pribislav

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dušan

This is accurate result of forum member Devil's Advocate.

coordinate x=485, y=210

vbnetkhio could change position.

That is result of member Jelic from Poreklo.
08-27-2019, 10:29 AM
Dušan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pribislav

That is result of member Jelic from Poreklo.

Then I made mistake. Sorry.

vbnetkhio could put his result, too.
08-27-2019, 10:30 AM
vbnetkhio

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08-27-2019, 10:33 AM
vbnetkhio

i added everybody who is 100% some ethncity to their cluster, if i got everything right.

https://i.imgur.com/zwB7aNF.png

Thracian is 100% East Thracian Turkish?
08-27-2019, 10:33 AM
vbnetkhio

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