Yes, ancient Steppe groups are normally high in Baloch/Gedrosian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fedora
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Yes, ancient Steppe groups are normally high in Baloch/Gedrosian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fedora
Iron Age Turkmenistan
Y-DNA : R1a1a1b2
mtDNA : T2c1a
https://science.sciencemag.org/conte...60PVkO24JC1P9Q
https://i.ibb.co/LgpF5Qg/47228520-20...99374592-n.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/bRjDM2q/47297189-20...00960768-n.jpg
edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahae
^Parthian propably had similar genetics like that Iron Age sample
In comparison modern results of a Turkmen from Turkmenistan
https://i.ibb.co/NY2Xzv5/70296978-13...86919424-n.jpg
Some more kits from Turkmenistan
Turkmen1 M304745
Turkmen2 M770612
Turkmen3 M777850
Turkmen4 M361654
Turkmen5 M344081
Turkmen6 M843376
Turkmen7 M835074
Turkmen8 M900480
Turkmen9 M925416
Turkmen10 Z314782
Turkmen11 Z878350
Turkmen12 Z269360
Turkmen13 Z382891
Turkmen14 Z889718
Turkmen15 Z946391
These were people known as the 'Dahan' as we say in Persian. Parthians (Parni) were their later descendants.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fedora
Only 11% Mongoloid? I guess Turkmens in Western TM are heavily Persian by ancestry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fedora
I had some sassanian samples too but idk what happened to them. Do you happen to have any?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fedora
Ksirov IV (I12260), Kushan from TJK, 3-389 CE:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Gedrosia 31.75
2 Caucasus 31.22
3 North_European 11.35
4 Atlantic_Med 10.6
5 Southeast_Asian 4.39
6 Southwest_Asian 3.84
7 Northwest_African 3.25
8 South_Asian 3.1
9 East_African 0.5
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 13.83
2 Iranians (Behar) 14.45
3 Iranian (Dodecad) 14.63
4 Kurd (Dodecad) 15.56
5 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 16.36
6 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 19.24
7 Lezgins (Behar) 21.19
8 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 21.32
9 Turks (Behar) 22.47
10 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 23.06
11 Turkish (Dodecad) 23.75
12 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 25.8
13 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 27.83
14 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 28.05
15 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 28.44
16 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 28.64
17 Assyrian (Dodecad) 28.83
18 Armenian (Dodecad) 29.22
19 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 29.29
20 Adygei (HGDP) 29.48
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 64.6% Turkish (Dodecad) + 35.4% Balochi (HGDP) @ 9.66
2 83.3% Iranians (Behar) + 16.7% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 9.84
3 67.9% Turkish (Dodecad) + 32.1% Brahui (HGDP) @ 9.85
4 83.8% Iranians (Behar) + 16.2% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 9.92
5 83.7% Iranians (Behar) + 16.3% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 9.92
6 83.7% Iranians (Behar) + 16.3% Irish (Dodecad) @ 9.93
7 70.8% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 29.2% Brahui (HGDP) @ 9.96
8 83.3% Iranians (Behar) + 16.7% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 9.97
9 82.4% Iranians (Behar) + 17.6% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 9.98
10 83.3% Iranians (Behar) + 16.7% English (Dodecad) @ 9.99
11 83.4% Iranians (Behar) + 16.6% Cornwall (1000Genomes) @ 9.99
12 83.1% Iranian (Dodecad) + 16.9% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 10.01
13 83.2% Iranians (Behar) + 16.8% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 10.02
14 83.6% Iranians (Behar) + 16.4% British (Dodecad) @ 10.02
15 83.1% Iranians (Behar) + 16.9% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 10.05
16 83.9% Iranians (Behar) + 16.1% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 10.05
17 56% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 44% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 10.07
18 83.6% Iranian (Dodecad) + 16.4% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 10.1
19 66.3% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 33.7% Makrani (HGDP) @ 10.1
20 84.8% Iranians (Behar) + 15.2% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 10.1
Ksirov IV (I12294), Kushan from TJK, 88 BCE-50 CE:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Gedrosia 28.43
2 North_European 23.96
3 Caucasus 21.3
4 Siberian 9.76
5 South_Asian 6.23
6 East_Asian 5.23
7 Atlantic_Med 2
8 Southwest_Asian 1.57
9 Northwest_African 0.88
10 East_African 0.64
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 9.3
2 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 15.94
3 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 22.11
4 Uzbeks (Behar) 24.37
5 Lezgins (Behar) 24.64
6 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 25.5
7 Pathan (HGDP) 27.28
8 Iranian (Dodecad) 27.75
9 Iranians (Behar) 28.18
10 Burusho (HGDP) 28.46
11 Kurd (Dodecad) 28.98
12 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 29.46
13 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 30.1
14 Turks (Behar) 32.11
15 Hazara (HGDP) 32.38
16 Uygur (HGDP) 32.55
17 Turkish (Dodecad) 33.41
18 Jatt (Dodecad) 34.33
19 North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) 34.73
20 Adygei (HGDP) 34.75
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83.4% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.6% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 5.56
2 87.1% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 12.9% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 6.55
3 88% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 12% Russian (HGDP) @ 6.68
4 76.6% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 23.4% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 6.71
5 88.4% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 11.6% Russian_B (Behar) @ 6.72
6 88.3% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 11.7% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 6.95
7 88.8% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 11.2% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 7.05
8 89.4% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 10.6% Belorussian (Behar) @ 7.06
9 90.3% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 9.7% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 7.12
10 90.7% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 9.3% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 7.16
11 90.5% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 9.5% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 7.17
12 90.8% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 9.2% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 7.19
13 89.7% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 10.3% Polish (Dodecad) @ 7.39
14 83.9% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 16.1% Chechens (Yunusbayev) @ 7.54
15 92.1% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 7.9% Selkup (Rasmussen) @ 7.58
16 86.6% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 13.4% Balkars (Yunusbayev) @ 7.67
17 86.6% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 13.4% North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) @ 7.7
18 87.6% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 12.4% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 7.73
19 86.8% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 13.2% Adygei (HGDP) @ 7.75
20 87.2% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 12.8% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 7.76
Tajikistan (I12292), Kushan sample from TJK, 200 BCE-100 CE:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Gedrosia 31.38
2 Caucasus 29.61
3 North_European 15.78
4 Southwest_Asian 9.73
5 Atlantic_Med 6.13
6 South_Asian 3.61
7 Siberian 2.34
8 Sub_Saharan 0.8
9 East_African 0.31
10 Northwest_African 0.31
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 11.67
2 Iranians (Behar) 13.18
3 Iranian (Dodecad) 13.57
4 Kurd (Dodecad) 14.42
5 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 15.26
6 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 16.03
7 Lezgins (Behar) 19.48
8 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 20.19
9 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 22.09
10 Turks (Behar) 22.47
11 Turkish (Dodecad) 24.19
12 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 24.92
13 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 26.19
14 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 28.16
15 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 28.28
16 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 28.48
17 Pathan (HGDP) 28.52
18 Lebanese (Behar) 28.65
19 Assyrian (Dodecad) 28.88
20 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 29.15
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 51.4% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 48.6% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 5.49
2 84.7% Iranians (Behar) + 15.3% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 5.71
3 85% Iranians (Behar) + 15% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 5.75
4 82% Iranians (Behar) + 18% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 5.94
5 82.9% Iranians (Behar) + 17.1% Russian (HGDP) @ 6.06
6 53.1% Kurd (Dodecad) + 46.9% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 6.14
7 85.1% Iranians (Behar) + 14.9% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 6.16
8 55.1% Iranian (Dodecad) + 44.9% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 6.35
9 84.6% Iranians (Behar) + 15.4% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 6.37
10 83.3% Iranians (Behar) + 16.7% Russian_B (Behar) @ 6.61
11 81.3% Iranians (Behar) + 18.7% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 6.65
12 59.1% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 40.9% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 6.65
13 56.2% Iranians (Behar) + 43.8% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 6.69
14 83% Iranians (Behar) + 17% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 6.73
15 83.8% Iranians (Behar) + 16.2% Belorussian (Behar) @ 6.75
16 83.4% Iranians (Behar) + 16.6% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 6.85
17 83.4% Iranians (Behar) + 16.6% Polish (Dodecad) @ 6.97
18 66% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 34% Makrani (HGDP) @ 6.98
19 65.5% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 34.5% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 7.07
20 70.8% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 29.2% Brahui (HGDP) @ 7.11
Parthians probably were more like modern Turkmens without Mongoloid influence. This Iron Age Turkmenistan sample looks more to be the source for Steppe in Iran, therefore early Iranian (Steppe+BMAC).Quote:
Originally Posted by Fedora
Iron Age Turkmenistan Dahae was a non-Aryan Scythian.
The Medes who went to the East and mixed with Dahae Scythians prodcued Parthians. Non-Aryan Scythians spoke eastern Iranian dialect, while Parthians spoke a western Iranian dialect close to Kurdish
Sassanian 1430-1485 CE
Gedrosia 24.42 Pct
Siberian 1.63 Pct
Northwest_African 1.10 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 4.93 Pct
North_European 12.34 Pct
South_Asian 5.95 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 9.86 Pct
East_Asian 0.30 Pct
Caucasus 39.29 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.17 Pct
Distance to: Ganj_Dareh_His
6.65560666 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
7.14205153 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.14205153 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.69040961 Azerbaijani_Iran
8.35496858 Azerbaijani
8.37251456 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.58128778 Iran_Central_East
8.64250542 Iranian
8.78799750 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.85366591 Zaza
9.37118456 Kurd_Sorani
9.40927734 Iran_Khorasan
9.41502523 Iranian_Fars
9.78289834 Iran_Mazandaran
10.26444835 Kurds
10.30237351 Kurd
10.42784733 Lur_Iran
11.50329518 Turkmen_Iraq
11.54196690 Turk_Southeast
11.80012288 Iranians
12.93724855 Turk_East
13.45886697 Turk_Central_East
13.74012373 Turk_South
14.20730446 Circassian
14.34555332 Kumyks
Parthians spoke a West Iranian dialect evolved from the Northwest Iranian language of the Medes. But Parthians themselves were the Medes mixed with non-Aryan Dahae Scythians.
https://i.postimg.cc/Qx3CDCzJ/parthians-medes.jpg
The Medes/Gutians as proto-Kurds or even proto-(West)-Iranians came from a similar population as an ancient Indo-European Kura-Araxes culture (Y-DNA hg. L, T, J2a, R2a, R1b). The Medes migrated later to the east. Zarathustra who was an outcast from the Median Magi tribe went also to the east.
Pretty cool results. Higher North European than in modern Iran (and f_ck those users who hate and attack me for pointing that out! :swl)Quote:
Originally Posted by axlredneck
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eline
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As the region inhabited by Parthians, Parthia first appears as a political entity in Achaemenid lists of governorates ("satrapies") under their dominion. Prior to this, the people of the region seem to have been subjects of the Medes,[1] and 7th century BC Assyrian texts mention a country named Partakka or Partukka (though this "need not have coincided topographically with the later Parthia").[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthia
Nice, not a huge difference from todays Iranians.Quote:
Originally Posted by axlredneck
The Medes simply Aryanised those non-Aryan Dahae Scythian tribes.
https://i.postimg.cc/RZDQX2S8/b.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/cL4XDQQK/a.jpg
From The Biographical Dictionary of the Society for the Diffusion of Useful Knowledge--, Volume 3,Nummer 2
Mede
Y-dna: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y23838/
Caucasus 45.46
Gedrosia 28.81
Southwest_Asian 13.53
North_European 4.43
Atlantic_Med 7.64
Northwest_African 0.12
https://science.sciencemag.org/conte...600&carousel=1
Also another proof for admixture flow from East to West, rather than the other way around (like MS85) claims.Quote:
Originally Posted by Babak
Stop trolling the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eline
What sample is this?Quote:
Originally Posted by axlredneck
M381564 Iran EIA (971-832 BC) was N1a3a R1b-Z2103>L584>Y23838
https://i.postimg.cc/9MgHgWkT/Aryans.jpg
Shows that Iranic populations have not really mixed with outsiders.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eline
M381564 Mede from Kurdistan around 971-832 BC was R1b, most likely evolved his Gutian ancestors. Gutians were related to Indo-European Kura-Araxes people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyp Snow
Linguistically it should be something like thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Eline
Yamnaya (Proto-Indo European)> Sintashta & Andronovo (Proto Indo-Iranian) > Sarmat, Alan, Dahae, Kangju (Ancient Iranics) > Pamiris, Tajiks, Yaghobis, Tajiks(modern east Iranians) and Persians,Kurds,Mazarandanis, etc. ( modernWest Iranians)
Hasanlu IAQuote:
Originally Posted by Kyp Snow
okay so most likely not a Mede. Thanks for clarifying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eline
Wouldn't name him Mede.Quote:
Originally Posted by axlredneck
Interestingly this sample was found in my great grandmothers villageQuote:
Originally Posted by axlredneck
I wonder how I compare to it
Hittite samples also score 0% North european, shows that component came to Iran and Anatolia with Indo-European speakers from the steppe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eline
As you can see the closest modern population to the ancient Aryan Medes and their proto-Aryan Gutian ancestors were the Kurds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Halgurd
That's why everybody is against the Kurds and is trying to kill the Kurds and steal their magnificent ancient Aryan history.
Even the current president of Azerbaidjan Aliev is linking himself to Saladin. He is saying that he is from the Ayyubi Saladin dynasty and is trying to claim even Saladin, lol.
Hittite and proto-Iranians came from the same early PIEan source SOUTH of Caucasus. Not Yamnaya.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fedora
Graeco-Aryans = Hittites & Iranians = came from 1 source. Both linked to Y-DNA J2a, R1b, R2a and T & L.
Some minor Steppes ancestry in Kurds is from the Scythians and Parthians : https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...ight=scythians
Hittites (J2a & R1b people) themselves can't be from Yamnaya, because proto-Anaolian from which Hittites are from is dated older than Yamnaya. Same can be said about the proto-West Iranians (Aryans).
He was a true Mede because at the same time (around 900 BC) the Medes who evolved from the Gutians/Kassites already lived in that area/region.Quote:
Originally Posted by axlredneck
Also, the Kurds as Northwest Iranian speakers are directly evolved from the Medes also Northwest Iranian speakers. And Kurds are the evidence that this ancient R1b fella was a Median Aryan.
As per Dilawer from Eurasian DNA that f3s and f4s sjpw that Hasanlu IA sample is N and E shifted compared to Iran Chl. He will not give me exact numbers or tables because he is reserving those for his paper. He also said that some modern Kurds and Iranians are significantly more certain Scythian/Saka/Sarmatian shifted than Hasanlu IA meaning that there was admixture from some Scythian/Sarmatians into Kurds and W Iranians after the time of Hasanlu IA. After bugging him some more he indicated that the biggest shift is towards some Sarmatians from Kazakhstan and that he'll publish details over the next few months.
This thread turned into a absolut kurdish shitfest.
Exactly, most people FAIL to understand that ancient proto-Iranians were native to West Asia and had very little Steppes ancestry. Most Steppes ancestry in Kurds and Western Persians arrived much later with the Scythians and Parthians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoro
Many people fail to understand (or try to deny) that Steppes related ancestry came very late with the Scythians and later even with the Turkic tribes. Nothing to do with the original Aryans who were Caucaso-Gedrosian people (close to Kura-Araxes)..
Well, if you discussing the ancient Iranians it is not possible to mention them without the Kurds. Since it has been proven by Kurdish DNA that Kurds are the purest West Iranians. More pure than Persians and much, much more pure than Turkified Azeri.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyp Snow
Kurds are the pride of the ancient West Iranians (Gutians, Medes), the knights of the ancient Middle East!
I suppose Parthian genomes when and if they are published could show how much of this Kazakhstan Sarmatian DNA or some other Scythian DNA they carried.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoro
They would also show how much admixture Kurds and other Iranians have from them. We need some place to fund their excavatian from Iran.
Where in Kurdistan are you from?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eline
Why does every Iranic related thread turn into a Kurdish nationalist infested shitshow?