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Our Gypsies are different from the ones in the region from a social POV, because they are integrated into the dominant culture, just as most other nationalities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
We are skilled at accepting others into our culture. That's probably connected to us being so few, so anyone who's interested in us feels like a novelty.
https://diez.md/2019/09/15/foto-cu-b...r-la-chisinau/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX8sc6lZ2oo
Well, that's fine but a black man living in Chisinau isn't really the topic of the discussion, is he ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
He lives in a village in the North, but the point was that those who want to be integrated get integrated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
You should look at that photo set from above the video link.
I'm against multiculturalism. That's typical Soviet/post-Soviet BS, i.e. "friendship of peoples". In Russia the same shit was made the state ideology. The problem is they don't even distinguish between natives and immigrant groups. Basically everyone living in the country is considered part of the "ethnic mosaic". Greeks, Azerbaijanis, Poles, etc. have nothing to do with Bessarabia. That's how the native majority is being undermined/diluted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Woosh, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Do you support multiculturalism?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
I think I merely asked you to post their HarappaWorld results. I don't need any irrelevant bullshit.
YesQuote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Even if it's non-European, Islamic?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Even so, as in a couple of generations they'll be assimilated. It was proven countless of times all over the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
S-Indian 10.50 PctQuote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Baloch 11.10 Pct
Caucasian 20.61 Pct
NE-Euro 31.64 Pct
SE-Asian 0.28 Pct
Siberian 0.49 Pct
NE-Asian 1.14 Pct
Papuan 0.38 Pct
American 0.53 Pct
Beringian 0.28 Pct
Mediterranean 17.63 Pct
SW-Asian 5.15 Pct
San 0.27 Pct
E-African -
Pygmy -
W-African -
S-Indian 9.66 Pct
Baloch 11.07 Pct
Caucasian 20.71 Pct
NE-Euro 33.36 Pct
SE-Asian -
Siberian -
NE-Asian 0.79 Pct
Papuan 0.62 Pct
American 0.37 Pct
Beringian -
Mediterranean 18.90 Pct
SW-Asian 4.33 Pct
San 0.20 Pct
E-African -
Pygmy -
W-African -
I've just noticed Romanian-b (Behar) on HarrapaWorld, 21% South Indian :lol:. Romanian-a (Behar) is 0.97%. Speak of mislabelling.
I disagree, they don't (Germany, France, UK, etc. disprove it) but let's stop here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Yes, that's a Romanian tzigane reference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Yep, it's full Roma. Their mother has a very tight fit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 23.68
2 S-Indian 20.3
3 Baloch 15.84
4 Mediterranean 15.3
5 NE-Euro 14.48
6 SW-Asian 6.97
7 Siberian 1.11
8 SE-Asian 0.91
9 Beringian 0.77
10 Papuan 0.47
11 American 0.18
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 romanian-b (behar) 3.85
2 turkmen (yunusbayev) 22.51
3 pashtun (harappa) 22.58
4 bene-israel-jew (behar) 22.72
5 turk-aydin (hodoglugil) 23.06
6 tajik (yunusbayev) 24.12
7 ashkenazy-jew (behar) 24.54
8 ashkenazi (harappa) 24.64
9 turkish (harappa) 26.31
10 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 26.66
11 iranian (harappa) 27.16
12 sephardic-jew (behar) 27.22
13 haryana-jatt (harappa) 27.36
14 kurd (harappa) 27.39
15 iranian (behar) 27.42
16 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 27.44
17 kashmiri (harappa) 27.56
18 iraqi-arab (harappa) 27.58
19 azeri (harappa) 27.61
20 morocco-jew (behar) 27.66
I've yet to see a Romani with at least 30% S-Indian on Eurogenes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Are they supposed to have that much? For unmixed Balkan Romas, their dominant ancestry is West Asian-like, followed by Euro and then South Asian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Well, they look so brown, so people think they're just a bunch of fucking Indians living in Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Let's play a guessing game. Can you predict how she would score on K13?
https://www.publika.md/echipa/marina...aeva_2201.html
From 14th second
https://www.publika.md/atentie-emisi...e_1348021.html
Probably: 35+ BalticQuote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Possible but I would choose above answer: 32-35 Baltic
Well her surname is Russian, so she is most likely of Russian descent first of all, but was born in Chisinau, Moldova and apparently has also got some local mix. My guess would be either 1/4 or 1/8 Roma. She matches the full Roma (Arap) and also other full Romas from Wallachia, which I will publish in the yet to be created Wallachian thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeirdLookingFellow
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 36.01
2 North_Atlantic 16.62
3 West_Asian 12.45
4 East_Med 12.34
5 West_Med 12.23
6 South_Asian 4.34
7 Red_Sea 1.86
8 Siberian 1.65
9 Amerindian 1.59
10 Oceanian 0.55
11 Northeast_African 0.36
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 8.59
2 Croatian 11.04
3 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.41
4 Serbian 13.6
5 Romanian 14.39
6 Ukrainian 14.6
7 Bulgarian 14.83
8 Ukrainian_Belgorod 15.31
9 Hungarian 15.37
10 Southwest_Russian 15.44
11 South_Polish 15.67
12 Tatar 17.58
13 Polish 17.87
14 Russian_Smolensk 18.08
15 Erzya 18.26
16 Kargopol_Russian 18.53
17 Estonian_Polish 18.66
18 Belorussian 19.65
19 Austrian 20.02
20 East_German 20.14
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.3% Estonian_Polish + 28.7% Armenian @ 5.11
2 70.8% Estonian_Polish + 29.2% Georgian_Jewish @ 5.11
3 61.7% Erzya + 38.3% Central_Greek @ 5.12
4 70% Erzya + 30% Cyprian @ 5.14
5 71.2% Kargopol_Russian + 28.8% Assyrian @ 5.15
6 75.2% Southwest_Russian + 24.8% Assyrian @ 5.21
7 71.1% Estonian_Polish + 28.9% Assyrian @ 5.23
8 75% Southwest_Russian + 25% Georgian_Jewish @ 5.26
9 69.7% Kargopol_Russian + 30.3% Cyprian @ 5.28
10 75.5% Southwest_Russian + 24.5% Armenian @ 5.29
11 71.3% Southwest_Russian + 28.7% Turkish @ 5.31
12 62.8% Erzya + 37.2% East_Sicilian @ 5.32
13 66.9% Estonian_Polish + 33.1% Turkish @ 5.33
14 65.3% Erzya + 34.7% South_Italian @ 5.37
15 61.6% Lithuanian + 38.4% Turkish @ 5.4
16 66.2% Lithuanian + 33.8% Assyrian @ 5.4
17 72.2% Kargopol_Russian + 27.8% Kurdish_Jewish @ 5.41
18 71.1% Kargopol_Russian + 28.9% Georgian_Jewish @ 5.43
19 55.6% Erzya + 44.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.44
20 76.2% Ukrainian + 23.8% Georgian_Jewish @ 5.44
Urusbaeva sounds non-Slavic, non-Russian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
I'd guess her as 25-30% or so.
Can you post her Dodecad K12b? She is obviously part Russian but also obviously part something else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
High West Asian and South Asian seem to be characteristic of people with Roma ancestry. Would have never guessed she has any though. Harappaworld?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
i doubt they will add my father in that graphic. although he's fully Moldavian from Vrancea for generations and he only scores Romania and Moldova on 23andme, he plots south with Bulgarians and that will mess up the average. anyone who doesn't meet the expectations is declared mixed and cut off. no one will ever find the moldovian average, at least not on TA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
No, they don't. Everyone who is put as mixed is actually of mixed heritage. I have all the kits, so if there are unbelievers then they should simply PM me and ask for them. Then they can check for themselves and do the detective work. All people are easily googleable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seya
She kind of looks Romanian/Moldovan here. Her Russian descent is more obvious in the video that I linked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
# Population PercentQuote:
Originally Posted by Leto
1 North_European 43.79
2 Atlantic_Med 19.36
3 Caucasus 18.52
4 Southwest_Asian 6.3
5 Gedrosia 5.51
6 South_Asian 4.45
7 Siberian 1.8
8 East_Asian 0.27
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 10.07
2 Romanians (Behar) 12.94
3 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 14.52
4 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 15.54
5 German (Dodecad) 16.78
6 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 18.4
7 Polish (Dodecad) 20.06
8 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 20.71
9 Mordovians (Yunusbayev) 22.18
10 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 22.53
11 Russian (Dodecad) 23.3
12 Russian_B (Behar) 23.47
13 Dutch (Dodecad) 23.6
14 Belorussian (Behar) 24.03
15 Russian (HGDP) 24.05
16 Swedish (Dodecad) 24.25
17 Norwegian (Dodecad) 25.84
18 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 26.16
19 O_Italian (Dodecad) 26.19
20 French (Dodecad) 26.24
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60% Russian (HGDP) + 40% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 5.13
2 54.3% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 45.7% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 5.23
3 62.1% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 37.9% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 5.29
4 59% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 41% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 5.41
5 52.1% FIN30 (1000Genomes) + 47.9% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 5.45
6 60.1% Russian (HGDP) + 39.9% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 5.5
7 64.2% Russian (Dodecad) + 35.8% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 5.56
8 52.2% Russian (HGDP) + 47.8% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 5.57
9 50.8% Finnish (Dodecad) + 49.2% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 5.59
10 62.2% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 37.8% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 5.61
11 64.7% Russian (Dodecad) + 35.3% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 5.63
12 71.3% Polish (Dodecad) + 28.7% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 5.66
13 66.8% Romanians (Behar) + 33.2% Russian (HGDP) @ 5.72
14 56.9% Russian (HGDP) + 43.1% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 5.73
15 71.4% Polish (Dodecad) + 28.6% Iranians (Behar) @ 5.74
16 51.5% FIN30 (1000Genomes) + 48.5% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 5.78
17 73.6% Romanians (Behar) + 26.4% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 5.8
18 67.1% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 32.9% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 5.84
19 67.6% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 32.4% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 5.85
20 71.1% Polish (Dodecad) + 28.9% Syrians (Behar) @ 5.85
Considering that Romanian-b is a full Roma, she can be modelled as about 1/4 Roma, as I expected.
# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 45.13
2 Caucasian 17.09
3 Mediterranean 16.9
4 Baloch 8.02
5 S-Indian 4.8
6 SW-Asian 4.39
7 Siberian 2.06
8 American 1.01
9 Papuan 0.6
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 slovenian (xing) 9.19
2 hungarian (behar) 9.32
3 romanian-a (behar) 13.32
4 ukranian (yunusbayev) 13.68
5 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 15.23
6 mordovian (yunusbayev) 17.68
7 n-european (xing) 17.74
8 russian (behar) 18.96
9 utahn-white (hapmap) 19.28
10 belorussian (behar) 19.48
11 utahn-white (1000genomes) 19.73
12 french (hgdp) 20.35
13 chuvash (behar) 21.24
14 russian (hgdp) 21.29
15 british (1000genomes) 21.58
16 orcadian (hgdp) 22.89
17 italian (hgdp) 24.96
18 tuscan (hgdp) 26.82
19 tuscan (1000genomes) 26.9
20 tuscan (hapmap) 26.9
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.5% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 28.5% romanian-b (behar) @ 2.68
2 63.8% belorussian (behar) + 36.2% romanian-b (behar) @ 4.28
3 86.7% slovenian (xing) + 13.3% bene-israel-jew (behar) @ 4.43
4 78.7% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 21.3% iraqi-arab (harappa) @ 4.44
5 84.5% slovenian (xing) + 15.5% pashtun (harappa) @ 4.47
6 63.6% mordovian (yunusbayev) + 36.4% ashkenazi (harappa) @ 4.58
7 65.9% mordovian (yunusbayev) + 34.1% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 4.62
8 57.8% romanian-a (behar) + 42.2% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 4.73
9 70.1% mordovian (yunusbayev) + 29.9% sephardic-jew (behar) @ 4.73
10 77.5% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 22.5% turkish (harappa) @ 4.75
11 72.9% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 27.1% turk-aydin (hodoglugil) @ 4.76
12 83.6% slovenian (xing) + 16.4% turkmen (yunusbayev) @ 4.76
13 81% slovenian (xing) + 19% romanian-b (behar) @ 4.77
14 79% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 21% armenian (harappa) @ 4.79
15 62.6% romanian-a (behar) + 37.4% russian (hgdp) @ 4.86
16 70.3% mordovian (yunusbayev) + 29.7% morocco-jew (behar) @ 4.9
17 79.5% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 20.5% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 4.93
18 86.7% slovenian (xing) + 13.3% kashmiri (harappa) @ 4.96
19 87.3% slovenian (xing) + 12.7% gujarati-muslim (harappa) @ 4.97
20 78.9% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 21.1% lebanese (behar) @ 5
There have been discussions before. Some people here seem to know my heritage better than i do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Yes, she is at least 1/8 Tzigane. Maybe even 1/4
(tzigane is an actual obsolete word in English)
I think you father is typical southern Moldovan, because people from fully ethnically Moldovan district in RM plot with Bulgarians too, even bit more south than them. And those were academic samples.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seya
It seems like southern Moldovans, regardless are they from Romania or RM are very Balkan genetically, while central and northern regions are quite more Slavic influenced.
Moldova doesn't seem genetically homogenous at all and I speak for full Moldovans not minorities like Ukrainians or Gagauz.
Could you post your father's K13 values? Ion should definitely add him to the chart :)
Yep all of Romania and R. Moldova generally follow the same North to South gradient, with some minor exceptions here and there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
But Romania's North to South gradient is much stronger in the East than in the West.
According to you, your father have origins from Dobrogea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seya
He’s not. After my dna test is what i thought but no. My mother’s father has origins from there most probably aromanian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
Your own words.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seya
Quote:
Tatal meu e din Vrancea dar are origini si din Dobrogea.
Dude i thought so. I told you alreadyQuote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
It was a suspicion i had. He didn’t get any region in dobrogea
That's pretty inaccurate imho.Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
There were plenty of Moldovans posted on these forums and none of them was anything similar to the 'Moldovans' on G25. Many were posted in Ph2ter's plotting threads and again no such Moldovans.
We don't know exactly what kind of Moldovans these guys are...
Just because they were used in academic study doesn't mean that these studies are hundred percent accurate. There is even a 'Macedonian3' sample in G25 from a study and that guy is not really a Macedonian but Bosniak. There are many Bosniaks in Macedonia and they are pretty much integrated in the country.
Furthermore you can't take samples from a single village in Moldova as representative and average for all ethnic Moldovans.
That would be the same if we collect samples from South-Eastern Bulgarians who live close to Black Sea and take that as an average.
I have few samples from those Bulgarians and all of them end up in the Greek cluster, however that's not the Bulgarian average...
Who said they are representative for Moldovans as a whole?Quote:
Originally Posted by *****
From where he is (village, town)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seya
family background villageQuote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin