South Slavic & neighbours gedmatch results - vol.2

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

Yes.


From "Serbian dna project."

Momić (Mitrovdan, Brnjeuška/Glina) - R1b>R-BY16680

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No, the one I shared is a Croat. Prohic is Bosniak.
One of his works.

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Originally Posted by Karol Klačansky

some of these individuals are insanely Slavic genetically, I'm guessing a few aren't even distant to western Ukrainians. Still amazes me some people try and act like Slavic influence in the balkans was negligible.

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Yes, there is big Slavic input in SW Slavs. These are all Croats from west Herzegovina, darkest pigmented Croatian region and people there tended to have very dinaric look in the past.
That's why many called them Vlachs, even many Croats especially from Panonnian regions.

These samples are from highland villages around Mostar. I'm having correspondence with this woman who send them to me, she is really kind.

Many Croats have prejudice towards these people, Croats of Herzegovina, but so far they have been most willing to help me and share their results with me, much more than Croats from Croatia.
I'm proud my paternal line is from the same region. :)

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

No, the one I shared is a Croat.

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OK.

Surname Momić also exist among Croatians from Istria https://actacroatica.com/surname/Momi%C4%87/

Serbs with surname Momić are mostly from Glina area as Serbian guy who is R1b https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glina,_Croatia

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

No, the one I shared is a Croat. Prohic is Bosniak.
One of his works.

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Maybe her husband is Momić?
I am bit confused, is Heger her maiden name?

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

Maybe her husband is Momić?
I am bit confused, is Heger her maiden name?

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No

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Another relative


Jozić

#	Population	Percent
1	Baltic	29.48
2	North_Atlantic	25.51
3	East_Med	15.53
4	West_Med	14.67
5	West_Asian	11.81
6	Red_Sea	1.13
7	Oceanian	0.67
8	Amerindian	0.58
9	South_Asian	0.33
10	East_Asian	0.3

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	Serbian	3.74
2	Romanian	5.67
3	Moldavian	6.23
4	Bulgarian	7.66
5	Croatian	8.69
6	Hungarian	8.89
7	Austrian	12.59
8	East_German	14.03
9	Ukrainian_Lviv	14.98
10	South_Polish	15.49
11	Ukrainian	16.24
12	Greek_Thessaly	16.55
13	West_German	18.09
14	Polish	19.14
15	Southwest_Russian	19.16
16	Ukrainian_Belgorod	19.2
17	South_Dutch	19.78
18	North_Italian	20.09
19	French	20.22
20	Tuscan	21.05

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#		Primary Population (source)			Secondary Population (source)			Distance
1		78%	Romanian	+	22%	Ukrainian_Belgorod	@	1.8
2		67.6%	Bulgarian	+	32.4%	South_Polish	@	2.08
3		78.4%	Romanian	+	21.6%	Southwest_Russian	@	2.12
4		60.2%	South_Polish	+	39.8%	Central_Greek	@	2.13
5		80%	Romanian	+	20%	Russian_Smolensk	@	2.14
6		83.5%	Romanian	+	16.5%	Lithuanian	@	2.16
7		74.6%	Romanian	+	25.4%	South_Polish	@	2.23
8		53.8%	Ukrainian_Belgorod	+	46.2%	Italian_Abruzzo	@	2.27
9		81%	Romanian	+	19%	Belorussian	@	2.28
10		78.5%	Romanian	+	21.5%	Polish	@	2.28
11		75.7%	Romanian	+	24.3%	Ukrainian	@	2.37
12		72.3%	Bulgarian	+	27.7%	Polish	@	2.37
13		80.8%	Romanian	+	19.2%	Estonian_Polish	@	2.39
14		74.2%	Romanian	+	25.8%	Ukrainian_Lviv	@	2.39
15		62%	Romanian	+	38%	Croatian	@	2.48
16		64.3%	South_Polish	+	35.7%	South_Italian	@	2.5
17		58%	Ukrainian	+	42%	Italian_Abruzzo	@	2.5
18		83.7%	Romanian	+	16.3%	Estonian	@	2.52
19		54.5%	Italian_Abruzzo	+	45.5%	Lithuanian	@	2.53
20		78.3%	Bulgarian	+	21.7%	Estonian	@	2.55

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Jozić is exclusively Croatian surname. There is no Serbs with that surname.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Another relative


Jozić

#	Population	Percent
1	Baltic	29.48
2	North_Atlantic	25.51
3	East_Med	15.53
4	West_Med	14.67
5	West_Asian	11.81
6	Red_Sea	1.13
7	Oceanian	0.67
8	Amerindian	0.58
9	South_Asian	0.33
10	East_Asian	0.3

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	Serbian	3.74
2	Romanian	5.67
3	Moldavian	6.23
4	Bulgarian	7.66
5	Croatian	8.69
6	Hungarian	8.89
7	Austrian	12.59
8	East_German	14.03
9	Ukrainian_Lviv	14.98
10	South_Polish	15.49
11	Ukrainian	16.24
12	Greek_Thessaly	16.55
13	West_German	18.09
14	Polish	19.14
15	Southwest_Russian	19.16
16	Ukrainian_Belgorod	19.2
17	South_Dutch	19.78
18	North_Italian	20.09
19	French	20.22
20	Tuscan	21.05

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#		Primary Population (source)			Secondary Population (source)			Distance
1		78%	Romanian	+	22%	Ukrainian_Belgorod	@	1.8
2		67.6%	Bulgarian	+	32.4%	South_Polish	@	2.08
3		78.4%	Romanian	+	21.6%	Southwest_Russian	@	2.12
4		60.2%	South_Polish	+	39.8%	Central_Greek	@	2.13
5		80%	Romanian	+	20%	Russian_Smolensk	@	2.14
6		83.5%	Romanian	+	16.5%	Lithuanian	@	2.16
7		74.6%	Romanian	+	25.4%	South_Polish	@	2.23
8		53.8%	Ukrainian_Belgorod	+	46.2%	Italian_Abruzzo	@	2.27
9		81%	Romanian	+	19%	Belorussian	@	2.28
10		78.5%	Romanian	+	21.5%	Polish	@	2.28
11		75.7%	Romanian	+	24.3%	Ukrainian	@	2.37
12		72.3%	Bulgarian	+	27.7%	Polish	@	2.37
13		80.8%	Romanian	+	19.2%	Estonian_Polish	@	2.39
14		74.2%	Romanian	+	25.8%	Ukrainian_Lviv	@	2.39
15		62%	Romanian	+	38%	Croatian	@	2.48
16		64.3%	South_Polish	+	35.7%	South_Italian	@	2.5
17		58%	Ukrainian	+	42%	Italian_Abruzzo	@	2.5
18		83.7%	Romanian	+	16.3%	Estonian	@	2.52
19		54.5%	Italian_Abruzzo	+	45.5%	Lithuanian	@	2.53
20		78.3%	Bulgarian	+	21.7%	Estonian	@	2.55

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His surname should be Croatian.

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Jozić families are Croats and they are mostly from Kosovo. According to some sources they are from Trilj or Pleternica area. In the past century, relatively most of Croatian residents bearing this family name were born in Kosovo and in Bosanian Posavina (Brcko area). In Ripci in Rama (Bosnia) every third inhabitant had the family name Jozić.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

My relative on GEDmatch
Surname Momić

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Can you show this person's Dodecad K12b components?

Whoops, actually Momići from Daruvar are Serbs

http://www.srbibbz.hr/index.php/home...html?start=145

They also have Serbian names like Ognjen, Dragan...

So I won't add this woman, but she is probably mixed ethnically (Heger are Slavonian Croats and Hungarians, surname most likely of German origin?)

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

Jozić is exclusively Croatian surname. There is no Serbs with that surname.

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Nobody said that they are. Croat and Serb averages on GEDmatch are trash, hence the confusion.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Nobody said that they are. Croat and Serb averages on GEDmatch are trash, hence the confusion.

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They are not averages even. Both Croatian and Serbian references are based just on 1 person!
Davidski showed how serious he is with that, don't know what was he thinking.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Can you show this person's Dodecad K12b components?

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Gedrosia	2.68 Pct
Siberian	-
Northwest_African	1.63 Pct
Southeast_Asian	0.92 Pct
Atlantic_Med	25.62 Pct
North_European	41.39 Pct
South_Asian	0.56 Pct
East_African	-
Southwest_Asian	5.77 Pct
East_Asian	-
Caucasus	21.37 Pct
Sub_Saharan	-

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

They are not averages even. Both Croatian and Serbian references are based just on 1 person!
Davidski showed how serious he is with that, don't know what was he thinking.

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We have a similar story with the Moldavian average, so that's not surprising.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Nobody said that they are. Croat and Serb averages on GEDmatch are trash, hence the confusion.

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I know.
I just say, because I am familiar with Serbian and Croatian surnames. For non-Serbian and non-Croatian speakers Serbian and Croatian surnames look like same "shit" on average. There are tons which are same, but same are exclusively Serbian or Croatian.

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

I know.
I just say, because I am familiar with Serbian and Croatian surnames. For non-Serbian and non-Croatian speakers Serbian and Croatian surnames look like same "shit" on average. There are tons which are same, but same are exclusively Serbian or Croatian.

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So the conclusion is that she's a Serb from Croatia? If you guys are really interested in this, then you should probably ask her.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

So the conclusion is that she's a Serb from Croatia? If you guys are really interested in this, then you should probably ask her.

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I think she is mixed. In that town is also biggest Czech minority in entire Croatia, but also Serbs were present.

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

Yes, there is big Slavic input in SW Slavs. These are all Croats from west Herzegovina, darkest pigmented Croatian region and people there tended to have very dinaric look in the past.
That's why many called them Vlachs, even many Croats especially from Panonnian regions.

These samples are from highland villages around Mostar. I'm having correspondence with this woman who send them to me, she is really kind.

Many Croats have prejudice towards these people, Croats of Herzegovina, but so far they have been most willing to help me and share their results with me, much more than Croats from Croatia.
I'm proud my paternal line is from the same region. :)

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I had a friend from Zagreb who told me in Croatia they don't think of Croatians from Bosnia as Croatian rather just as Bosnian. Kinda ridiculous if u ask me, Hungarians will die for Hungarians in Romania and Slovakia but Croatians don't even care about their own people lol.

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Originally Posted by Karol Klačansky

I had a friend from Zagreb who told me in Croatia they don't think of Croatians from Bosnia as Croatian rather just as Bosnian. Kinda ridiculous if u ask me, Hungarians will die for Hungarians in Romania and Slovakia but Croatians don't even care about their own people lol.

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That's not true, vast majority considers them Croats but there is minority of people of leftist orientation, usually from bigger city who feel threathened by them (BiH Croats are very conservative and nationalistic) so they spread stupid stereotypes.They try to show themself was urban, middle-class, European, progressive people vs barbarians from Bosnia and Herzegovina.

Funny thing is 99% of these people are of rural origins and saw cities first time in their life after 1945 when their grandpas entered cities with tanks and killed or expelled older urban population.

Important fact also: Croats are in specific position, because Croats from Croatia and BiH Croats have very different history, and culture differs as well.
Even Croats from Croatia differ very much because of fragmentation of Croatian lands in the past when they were ruled by different Empires and people were separated for centuries.

That's why Croatia is culturally more heterogenous than some much bigger European countries.
Majority of Croats lived in lands under Hungarian crown, Dalmatians and Istrians lived in lands under Venetian rule, BiH Croats lived under Ottoman rule and Croats in military frontier lived in their own militarised province under direct rule of Vienna army command which was something like American wild west in comparison with civil Croatia.

Due to all this, regional chauvinism and narrow-minded thinking is still high.

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

That's not true, vast majority considers them Croats but there is minority of people of leftist orientation, usually from bigger city who feel threathened by them (BiH Croats are very conservative and nationalistic) so they spread stupid stereotypes.They try to show themself was urban, middle-class, European, progressive people vs barbarians from Bosnia and Herzegovina.

Funny thing is 99% of these people are of rural origins and saw cities first time in their life after 1945 when their grandpas entered cities with tanks and killed or expelled older urban population.

Important fact also: Croats are in specific position, because Croats from Croatia and BiH Croats have very different history, and culture differs as well.
Even Croats from Croatia differ very much because of fragmentation of Croatian lands in the past when they were ruled by different Empires and people were separated for centuries.

That's why Croatia is culturally more heterogenous than some much bigger European countries.
Majority of Croats lived in lands under Hungarian crown, Dalmatians and Istrians lived in lands under Venetian rule, BiH Croats lived under Ottoman rule and Croats in military frontier lived in their own militarised province under direct rule of Vienna army command which was something like American wild west in comparison with civil Croatia.

Due to all this, regional chauvinism and narrow-minded thinking is still high.

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I think her mother and father were from Zagorje region, her father though was from a village of greek catholics and her last name is Kekic. were greek catholics in croatia orginally serbian?

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

Romanian guy who is R1a-M458 and who is from Serbian part of Banat claim Cuman origin for years on one Serbian forum. :lol:

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he tested on myheritage if i got it right? ask him to upload to gedmatch, it would be intersting to see his k13.

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Originally Posted by Karol Klačansky

I think her mother and father were from Zagorje region, her father though was from a village of greek catholics and her last name is Kekic. were greek catholics in croatia orginally serbian?

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Yes.
They are former Orthodoxes who converted on Greek-Catholicism in 17th and 18th century.

Surname Kekić exist as well among Orthodox Serbs from Dalmatian hinterland, Syrmia, NW Bosnia, Gacko (East Herzegovina) etc.

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

Yes.
They are former Orthodoxes who converted on Greek-Catholicism in 17th and 18th century.

Surname Kekić exist as well among Orthodox Serbs from Dalmatian hinterland, western Syrmia, NW Bosnia, Gacko (East Herzegovina) etc.

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Very interesting I'll have to tell her if I ever see her again. She was too clingy so I broke off contact with her, but shes a nice girl actually. She always said her fathers side might have been motenegrin in origin, any possibility of that?

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Originally Posted by Karol Klačansky

Very interesting I'll have to tell her if I ever see her again. She was too clingy so I broke off contact with her, but shes a nice girl actually. She always said her fathers side might have been motenegrin in origin, any possibility of that?

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It's possible.
According to some sources Kekić surname is originaly from Montenegro, and they migrated from Montenegro in other regions few centuries ago.
In Žumberak (region on the border between Croatia and Slovenia) exist village Kekići. In Žumberak majority are Greek-Catholics. They are descendants of Serbian Orthodox settlers from southeast in first half of 16th century who became Greek-Catholics in 17th and 18th century.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

he tested on myheritage if i got it right? ask him to upload to gedmatch, it would be intersting to see his k13.

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I will try.

He took autosomal, I don't know details.

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

It's possible.
According to some sources Kekić surname is originaly from Montenegro, and they migrated from Montenegro in other regions few centuries ago.
In Žumberak (region on the border between Croatia and Slovenia) exist village Kekići. In Žumberak majority are Greek-Catholics. They are descendants of Serbian Orthodox settlers from southeast in first half of 16th century who became Greek-Catholics in 17th and 18th century.

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yea thats the region her fathers from, shes related to the Greek Catholic Bishop from their as well. Interesting, shes not overtly nationalistic but shes still a pretty patriotic croatian, intersting that she has some serbian roots.

Short summary:

https://sun9-24.userapi.com/c857624/...uPuPPkm6qw.jpg

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Originally Posted by Not a Cop

Short summary:

https://sun9-24.userapi.com/c857624/...uPuPPkm6qw.jpg

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Uhm, you're just jealous that there is no "East Slavic & neighbours GEDmatch results" thread. :)

By the way, what about those Siberian Starovers that I showed you, any thoughts on them?

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Originally Posted by Not a Cop

Short summary:

https://sun9-24.userapi.com/c857624/...uPuPPkm6qw.jpg

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Lmao I’m wearing exactly those track pants and a wife beater. Meme accuracy = 100


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I'm interested in some Kaliningrad Oblast Russians GEDmatch kits.

What is a typical Kaliningrader's result? Did Prussians assimilate them?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq47h98d720

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Originally Posted by Peterski

Uhm, you're just jealous that there is no "East Slavic & neighbours GEDmatch results" thread. :)

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Thank God there is no trolling about us.
And you shouldn't have paid mind to that cheap trolling either.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Thank God there is no trolling about us.
And you shouldn't have paid mind to that cheap trolling either.

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Can't you just show us Kaliningrad (n=20) Dodecad K12b average.

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Originally Posted by Peterski

I'm interested in some Kaliningrad Oblast Russians GEDmatch kits.

What is a typical Kaliningrader's result? Did Prussians assimilate them?:

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They are just resettled Russians, Belorussians, Ukrainians from various places.

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Originally Posted by Leto

They are just resettled Russians, Belorussians, Ukrainians from various places.

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But after several generations of mixing with each other, they should have their own unique genetic profile.

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Originally Posted by Leto

from various places.

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Is there any exact data - how many came from which region?

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Originally Posted by Peterski

Can't you just show us Kaliningrad (n=20) Dodecad K12b average.

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I don't remember seeing any to be honest. They're a very recent settlement, believe me. Just like Murmansk and Karelia.

Anyway, let's not derail the thread, it's not about Russians.

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Originally Posted by Peterski

Can't you just show us Kaliningrad (n=20) Dodecad K12b average.

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I don't remember seeing any to be honest. They're a very recent settlement, believe me. Just like Murmansk and Karelia.

Anyway, let's not derail the thread, it's not about Russians.

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Originally Posted by Peterski

But after several generations of mixing with each other, they should have their own unique genetic profile.



Is there any exact data - how many came from which region?

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Mostly Western and Central Russia plus Belarus and Ukraine. Quite pan-Russian.
Peterski, you are too obsessed with us. There's no huge regional diversity in ethnic Russians, at least given the size of the country and compared to some other countries.

^^^^It would be nice if you guys make Polish and Russian etc. regional K13 averages.

Montenegrin Attachment 97742

Montenegrin from Bratonožić clan (Q haplogroup) Attachment 97743