Lawyer Toma Fila (Aromanian) say that Macedonians can claim ancient Macedonian origin only over the back of Aromanians https://mk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Тома_Фила
He say Macedonians are native as much as they have Aromanian blood.
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Lawyer Toma Fila (Aromanian) say that Macedonians can claim ancient Macedonian origin only over the back of Aromanians https://mk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Тома_Фила
He say Macedonians are native as much as they have Aromanian blood.
Broski i will no go into further discussion about this, I said what I have to said, Albanians in Macedonia are native, we are pretty similar together with Aromanians too, all natives to Macedonia, same with Torbeshi too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Varda
So I will leave this thread to DNA kits.
Thanks in advance cheers!
Most of present day Albanians of Macedonia are descendants of settlers in Ottomans time from Albania.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyP
Most of them are Ghegs, and minority are Tosks.
Do you have other regional averages?Quote:
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Originally Posted by Varda
Nope man, stop with that Serbian propaganda about Albanians and everyone around, Albanians are native to Kosovo and Macedonia they are not settlers from Ottoman time, and again modern Macedonian = Aromanians, also Macedonians,Albanians(mostly Ghegs),Aromanians, and Torbeshi = Macedonians.
Please leave this thread for DNA kits , and go around with your Wikipedia b*llshit.
Every fucking Kosovo Albanian know from which clan in northern Albania originated.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyP
Albanians in Kosovo in mid of 15th century (Ottoman defters) were less than 1%.
If Albanians are native in Macedonia than they have a right on secession of western Macedonia. Do you agree?
Not anymore, NATO...Quote:
Originally Posted by Varda
Btw your "theory" of mixing Macedonians with Aromanians is not supported by facts and also that "from the medieval age, Macedonians were North shifted" ( idk from where you got this idea, but that's totally wrong... ).
First of all Macedonians from regions where never lived Aromanians have the same or even more southern results than actual Aromanian ( and I don't know how large you think is Aromanian community in Macedonia but it's actually small ), also Macedonian average is more southern than the Aromanian average, even my Central and South Macedonian average plots between Aromanians and Ghegs even more southern, so there is again nonsense but i guess that's you.I didn't open this thread to discussing about nonsense, please leave this thread if you are not interested in Macedonian Gedmatch kits, thanks in advance.
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Originally Posted by JohnnyP
Of course they are, as Turks are in Constantinopole. :rotfl
And so called "Macedonia" is as much of a country and as much of a nation as Luxemburg, and even has less history than Luxemburg. The territory is Serbian and it's population is a mix of Serbs, Bulgars, Gypsies and Albanians. It's language is also a mix of Serbian and Bulgarian. Communists created it after 1945 to weaken Serbia. Communists gave it a stolen name from Greek history (Hellenian Macedonia), that's why Greeks are so upset about them. They stole history from Greeks and they stole land from us. That's how they created an artificial nation.
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Seriously man, can you pick 15-20 kits that are most represenative in your opinion and make a new Macedonian national average for Dodecad K12b? I'm curious how different it'd be from the existing one.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyP
<google-sheets-html-origin>I added also DodecadK12B Regional Averages and also average from all regions.
Under South are Southwestern / Pelagonia and Southeastern regions ,here's how regions are separated;
https://i.imgur.com/GyWPpMW.png
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Regions Calculator Gedroasia Siberian Northwest African Southeast Asian Atlantic_Med North European South Asian East African Southwest Asian East Asian Caucasus Sub Saharan Vardar Region DodecadK12b 5.63 1.71 0 0 30.28 27.78 0.37 0 6.3 0 27.93 0 Vardar Region DodecadK12b 6.12 0.95 2.31 0.06 28.14 29.7 0.06 0 6.42 0 26.25 0 Vardar Region DodecadK12b 6.44 0 1.09 0 29.96 29.23 0.18 0 5.99 0.74 26.37 0 Vardar Region DodecadK12b 5.97 0.49 1.4 0 29.15 28.61 0.91 0 7.9 0.73 24.86 0 Vardar Region DodecadK12b 4.21 1.16 0 0 29.35 27.9 1.19 0 6.86 0.28 29.04 0 Vardar Region DodecadK12b 5.93 0 1.29 0 29.17 29.13 0.82 0 6.8 0 26.86 0 Vardar Region DodecadK12b 4.98 0.63 1.43 0.36 29.55 27.86 0 0 6.39 0 28.8 0 Vardar Region DodecadK12b 4.45 0 1.91 0.22 29.66 31.16 0 0 5.16 0 27.41 0 Vardar Region DodecadK12b 5.78 0.55 1.05 0.1 28.86 29.83 0 0.11 6.48 0.1 27.14 0 Vardar Region DodecadK12b 6.59 0 1.17 0.43 30.35 28.8 0 0 7.95 0 24.71 0 Vardar Region DodecadK12b 6.73 0 1.83 0 26.94 29.12 0 0 8.13 0.63 26.61 0 Vardar Region DodecadK12b 4.59 0.23 1.59 0 28.76 29.06 0 0 7.54 0 28.23 0 Average 5.62 0.48 1.26 0.10 29.18 29.02 0.29 0.01 6.83 0.21 27.02 0.00 South Regions DodecadK12b 5.37 0.36 1.68 0.82 25.93 28.57 0 0.09 7.74 0 29.44 0 South Regions DodecadK12b 3.9 0.67 0.85 0 30.81 27.8 0.39 0 8.48 0 27.09 0 South Regions DodecadK12b 6.94 0 1.48 0 29.38 28.14 0 0 7.66 1.11 25.3 0 South Regions DodecadK12b 5.78 0.18 0.06 0 27.29 28.6 0.29 0 9.79 0 28.01 0 South Regions DodecadK12b 5.86 0 0 0 29.8 29.76 0 0 6.64 0 27.94 0 South Regions DodecadK12b 4 0.49 1.39 0 28.4 30.34 0.59 0 7.03 0 27.76 0 South Regions DodecadK12b 5.28 0.06 1.98 0 27.64 29.03 0 0 7.63 0 28.33 0.05 South Regions DodecadK12b 5.87 0.4 1.99 0 28.74 28.58 0 0 7.66 0 26.76 0 South Regions DodecadK12b 5.93 0 0.45 0 29.28 27.42 0 0 9.34 0.75 26.83 0 South Regions DodecadK12b 4.51 0.23 2.26 0 28.76 28.92 0 0 9.3 0 26.01 0 South Regions DodecadK12b 3.89 0.4 1.57 0 29.52 28.36 0.18 0 7.11 1.4 27.56 0 South Regions DodecadK12b 5.5 1.23 1.94 0.43 30.59 27.78 0 0 7.27 0 25.27 0 South Regions DodecadK12b 5.77 0 0.61 0.32 28.1 27.62 0.06 0 8.84 0 28.68 0 South Regions DodecadK12b 5.34 0.55 1.03 0 29.38 28.72 1.05 0 7.65 0 26.26 0 South Regions DodecadK12b 4.7 0 4.11 0 25.98 29.1 0.41 0 7.66 0 28.04 0 South Regions DodecadK12b 3.42 0.26 0.05 0 29.79 29.81 1.33 0 8.19 0 27.16 0 South Regions DodecadK12b 6.45 0.37 0.15 0 28.67 28.78 0 0.36 7.43 0 28.79 0 South Regions DodecadK12b 4.57 0.42 0 0 29.23 27.75 0.28 0 9.59 0 28.16 0 South Regions DodecadK12b 2.47 0 1.25 0 29.05 31.55 0 0 8.04 0 27.64 0 South Regions DodecadK12b 5.26 0 1.14 0.85 27.61 27.19 0 0 8.47 0 29.45 0 South Regions DodecadK12b 6.34 0.28 0 0 30.23 29.13 0.37 0 8.62 0 25.03 0 South Regions DodecadK12b 4.07 0 3.05 0 29.7 23.94 0 0 10.08 0.56 28.54 0 Average 5.06 0.27 1.23 0.11 28.81 28.50 0.23 0.02 8.19 0.17 27.46 0.00 Polog Region DodecadK12b 5.3 0.45 2.61 0 29.51 30.43 0.94 0 6.51 0 24.22 0 Polog Region DodecadK12b 6.74 0 0.52 0 29.21 31.26 0 0 5.73 0.54 26.01 0 Polog Region DodecadK12b 7.36 0 0.25 0 29.14 29.59 0 0 6.87 0.5 26.3 0 Polog Region DodecadK12b 5.55 0 0.63 0.43 29.04 30.16 0 0 7.14 0 27.06 0 Polog Region DodecadK12b 6.42 0 0 0 28.4 29.82 0 0 8.1 0.14 27.12 0 Polog Region DodecadK12b 3.26 0.95 1.67 0 26.43 30.16 0.46 0 6.41 0.44 30.24 0 Polog Region DodecadK12b 6.58 0 1.61 0.36 29.9 32.28 0 0 4.52 0 24.74 0 Polog Region DodecadK12b 4.26 0 1.4 0 28.57 31.22 0.83 0 6.71 0.32 26.69 0 Polog Region DodecadK12b 4.03 0.88 3.55 0 25.5 30.91 0 0 7.23 0 27.91 0 Polog Region DodecadK12b 4.8 0.69 0.2 0 26.46 32.15 0 0 7.13 0 28.19 0 Polog Region DodecadK12b 7.41 0 0 0.38 31.41 32.84 0 0.23 5.94 0 21.79 0 Average 5.61 0.27 1.13 0.11 28.51 30.98 0.20 0.02 6.57 0.18 26.39 0.00 Eastern Region DodecadK12b 1.40 0.55 0.16 0.31 29.93 34.42 0.00 0.00 7.25 0.00 25.99 0.00 Eastern Region DodecadK12b 2.48 0.31 1.52 0.00 28.67 32.60 0.00 0.00 6.95 1.10 26.37 0.00 Eastern Region DodecadK12b 5.95 0.85 0.34 0.00 28.98 28.41 0.51 0.00 7.56 0.70 26.69 0.00 Eastern Region DodecadK12b 6.42 0.56 0.00 0.00 28.41 28.99 0.00 0.00 7.31 0.58 27.72 0.00 Eastern Region DodecadK12b 5.81 0.06 0.11 0.55 28.82 30.39 0.00 0.00 5.65 0.00 28.61 0.00 Eastern Region DodecadK12b 5.82 0.00 1.01 0.49 29.59 28.69 0.00 0.00 8.85 0.00 25.55 0.00 Average 4.65 0.39 0.52 0.23 29.07 30.58 0.09 0.00 7.26 0.40 26.82 0.00 Northeast&Skopje Region DodecadK12b 4.72 0.43 0.00 0.30 26.64 29.16 0.00 0.00 8.92 0.00 29.52 0.31 Northeast&Skopje Region DodecadK12b 4.80 0.87 1.03 0.00 26.79 32.02 0.00 0.00 6.88 0.33 27.28 0.00 Northeast&Skopje Region DodecadK12b 4.20 0.00 0.83 0.06 25.82 32.80 0.00 0.07 7.83 0.41 27.97 0.00 Northeast&Skopje Region DodecadK12b 4.96 0.49 0.89 0.47 27.31 31.04 0.00 0.00 7.38 0.59 26.88 0.00 Northeast&Skopje Region DodecadK12b 4.13 0.34 0.23 0.00 28.59 30.63 0.00 0.00 8.85 0.00 27.24 0.00 Northeast&Skopje Region DodecadK12b 4.17 0.88 1.39 0.00 28.35 30.46 0.00 0.18 5.62 0.00 28.96 0.00 Northeast&Skopje Region DodecadK12b 2.68 0.00 0.78 1.04 26.99 31.24 0.00 0.00 6.98 0.41 29.88 0.00 Northeast&Skopje Region DodecadK12b 4.94 0.00 0.00 0.48 28.74 28.25 0.00 0.00 7.64 0.00 29.95 0.00 Northeast&Skopje Region DodecadK12b 4.27 0.11 1.25 0.00 27.62 31.93 0.30 0.00 7.25 0.28 27.02 0.00 Northeast&Skopje Region DodecadK12b 5.48 0.56 0.13 0.00 27.78 33.65 0.00 0.00 6.51 0.31 25.55 0.00 Northeast&Skopje Region DodecadK12b 5.60 0.31 0.96 0.00 29.50 30.15 0.53 0.00 6.23 0.00 26.51 0.21 Average 4.54 0.36 0.68 0.21 27.65 31.03 0.08 0.02 7.28 0.21 27.89 0.05 AVERAGE_ALL 5.09 0.35 0.96 0.15 28.64 30.02 0.18 0.01 7.23 0.23 27.11 0.01
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