German GEDmatch results

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Originally Posted by Leto

There are plenty of Russian Gedcoms on Gedmatch, like literally hundreds. Many Russians now take interest in genealogy because of WW2 memorial projects (Great Patriotic War in Russian). This is where I dissent from the majority but at least it prompts so many people to go deep into their family history. Russia even has its own DNA testing company called Genotek (the raw data sucks though).

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You see, many would than like to see more refined Russian regional averages and I see it's possible to do. But I see you don't care about that. That's a pity but some of us are thinking differently.
Your choice not to make them, just like some choosed to do so for other countries.

Okay, I will stop posting about Germans. Why should I? I'm not German and they don't particularly like me either. Unlike fucking Piotr I don't have an agenda to present them as Slavic as possible. In fact I find the pure Volga Germans interesting precisely because they have preserved completely German(ic) genetics despite them being surrounded by Russians and other unrelated fuckers.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Okay, I will stop posting about Germans. Why should I? I'm not German and they don't particularly like me either. Unlike fucking Piotr I don't have an agenda to present them as Slavic as possible. In fact I find the pure Volga Germans interesting precisely because they have preserved completely German(ic) genetics despite them being surrounded by Russians and other unrelated fuckers.

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You don't need to stop anything, it is just not easy to understand why new averages bug you so much.

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

I know little time passed since initial averages release, but we got into possession of very, very large batch of samples with checked and confirmed ancestry from different regions. Updates are already basically ready, but we are struggling with Austria for which we got quite a few kits as well. So much for Leto attacking use of Noricum as stand alone Carinthian average btw, we got other Carinthians and that region (plus Styria) is looking pretty uniform.

So his sample was already decent. Ofc with more Carinthians it will be much better even, we welcome addition of every verified extra kit.
Problem is with upper and lower Austria, samples from there are unexpectedly genetically diverse and we aren't sure how to group them, so waiting for potential few more Austrian kits to get a clearer picture of the area.

That's the reason why this massive update isn't out yet. But trying it to be as fast as possible.

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if there's really no visible geographic pattern, just use the official Austrian regions

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

You see, many would than like to see more refined Russian regional averages and I see it's possible to do. But I see you don't care about that. That's a pity but some of us are thinking differently.
Your choice not to make them, just like some choosed to do so for other countries.

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You are right saying Russians do not have as many differences as some others. Why make 15 similar pops? In Russians the difference usually comes down to a percentage of East Eurasian/Mongoloid. Yes, a lot of people were resettled, deported or sent to faraway places, hard to deny that. My mother was born in Uzbekistan, I was born in Moscow oblast. But that isn't our fault. I actually love homogeneous, rooted communities that are tied to their land.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

if there's really no visible geographic pattern, just use the official Austrian regions

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The only Upper Austrian I know is Mortimer xD

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Originally Posted by Leto

You are right saying Russians do not have as many differences as some others. Why make 15 similar pops? In Russians the difference usually comes down to a percentage of East Eurasian/Mongoloid. Yes, a lot of people were resettled, deported or sent to faraway places, hard to deny that. My mother was born in Uzbekistan, I was born in Moscow oblast. But that isn't our fault. I actually love homogeneous, rooted communities that are tied to their land.

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It's nice that you are genetically homogenous (except mini regions like far north etc), Belarusians also as well as vast majority of Ukrainians. But that's really not the case in Germany and even Austria (Austria is even more crazy because mountains I assume). Please understand we are trying to unify averages we get that are almost same genetically (in new update Baden-Württemberg state is just one average because they are all really similar, SW Germans in general are), but still keep relevant information.

My four grandparents were born in 4 different regions and 3 different countries, but that doesn't mean I don't care for deeply rooted regional patterns or think they are not worth to be recorded.

Among the Volga or Russian Germans you can find individuals like this.

North_Atlantic 48.01 Pct
Baltic 21.27 Pct
West_Med 15.83 Pct
West_Asian 2.25 Pct
East_Med 8.62 Pct
Red_Sea 2.88 Pct
South_Asian 0.23 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.91 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Dutch 4.98
2 Southeast_English 5.62
3 West_German 6.38
4 Southwest_English 6.98
5 French 7.27
6 Orcadian 8.06
7 North_Dutch 8.95
8 West_Scottish 9
9 Irish 9.15
10 Danish 9.24
11 North_German 9.55
12 Norwegian 11.28
13 Swedish 12.79
14 Austrian 12.96
15 Spanish_Cataluna 14.11
16 East_German 14.14
17 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 15.02
18 Spanish_Galicia 15.4
19 Portuguese 15.57
20 Southwest_French 15.8

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76.6% Southeast_English + 23.4% Portuguese @ 3.13
2 58.5% Southeast_English + 41.5% French @ 3.16
3 60.1% Norwegian + 39.9% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.17
4 66.1% North_Dutch + 33.9% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.19
5 76.5% Southeast_English + 23.5% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.19
6 76.1% Southeast_English + 23.9% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.21
7 63.7% North_Dutch + 36.3% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.21
8 57.6% Norwegian + 42.4% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.23
9 78% Southeast_English + 22% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.25
10 78.9% Southeast_English + 21.1% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.27
11 66.3% North_Dutch + 33.7% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.31
12 63% Danish + 37% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.33
13 91.2% Southeast_English + 8.8% Moroccan @ 3.33
14 91% Southeast_English + 9% Algerian @ 3.34
15 91.2% Southeast_English + 8.8% Tunisian @ 3.34
16 60.3% Norwegian + 39.7% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.36
17 65.4% Danish + 34.6% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.39
18 64.7% North_Dutch + 35.3% Portuguese @ 3.39
19 58.6% Norwegian + 41.4% Portuguese @ 3.42
20 91.3% Southeast_English + 8.7% Mozabite_Berber @ 3.42

The Baltic is lower than in some Irish/British people!

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

if there's really no visible geographic pattern, just use the official Austrian regions

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It's kind of odd. Carinthia and Styria have visible genetic profile that is Slovenian like. Burgenland is surprisingly different, not so Slavic/south Slavic and more "German shifted" but with notable Slavic also.
Tyrol looks Swiss like and between SW Germans and Alpine Italians. That's all fine.

Lower and Upper Austria/Salzburg are mess. Some are SW German like, some are Swiss like, some are Carinthian/Slavic shifted. And these people have deep ancestry in these areas.
We are trying to get few more samples from these regions to estimate what's best to do.

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

It's nice that you are genetically homogenous (except mini regions like far north etc), Belarusians also as well as vast majority of Ukrainians. But that's really not the case in Germany and even Austria (Austria is even more crazy because mountains I assume). Please understand we are trying to unify averages we get that are almost same genetically (in new update Baden-Württemberg state is just one average because they are all really similar, SW Germans in general are), but still keep relevant information.

My four grandparents were born in 4 different regions and 3 different countries, but that doesn't mean I don't care for deeply rooted regional patterns or think they are not worth to be recorded.

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Okay. My problem is that when there are too many (similar) averages it will cause overfitting or unrealistic models. For example the Brandenburg outlier already popped up in some Slavo-Germanic results. I believe half Volga half Russian or something like that.

Please keep the original German names, they are more colorful IMO :) "Pfalz" is better than "Palatinate" for ex.