Permanently? He can do this one day xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
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Permanently? He can do this one day xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
It is added to K13 Updated http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k13-vahaduo.htmQuote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
not simple K13.
https://i.imgur.com/uMpfasF.jpg
Target: Cumansky
Distance: 5.2559% / 5.25589600 | ADC: 1x
68.0 Bosniak_Tuzla
19.0 Latvian
8.4 Erzya
4.6 East_Finnish
Attachment 95842
Attachment 95843
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Target: Cumansky
Distance: 2.7208% / 2.72075080
48.0 Latvian
31.4 Pomak_Plovdiv
11.2 East_Finnish
6.2 Spanish_Valencia
3.2 Pomak_Xanthi
Could you add on k13? ThanksQuote:
Originally Posted by Lukasz
Calabria_Cosenza,13.03,6.09,20.66,18.59,33.19,5.87 ,0.26,0.42,0.07,0.53,0.07,1.23,0
Calabria_Crotone,18.82,11.05,21.17,8.98,32.18,5.17 ,0,0,1.52,0,0,1.10,0
Calabria_Reggio,19.07,4.08,21.47,12.78,34.31,5.89, 0.60,0.23,0,0,0,0.92,0.65
Calabria_Reggio_Mammola(Reggio),14.64,5.97,21.22,1 5.39,30.97,8.20,0,0.32,0,0,1.19,2.08,0
Calabria_Nicotera(Vibo),16.95,4.07,21.07,16.73,32. 36,6.19,1.06,0,0,0,0.10,1.48,0
Lombardia_Insubria,32.58,12.51,24.96,7.90,18.79,2. 07,0.05,0.27,0.12,0.14,0.21,0.22,0.12
Lombardia_Orobia,33.02,11.21,25.86,6.82,19.58,2.31 ,0.24,0.13,0.25,0.21,0.05,0.23,0.03
Romanian_South_Transylvania,22.30,21.69,19.06,12.0 0,20.71,2.31,0,0.86,0.23,0.33,0.51,0,0
German_WestPrussia,37.01,40.43,12.10,4.10,3.24,1.4 3,0.43,0,0,0,0.60,0.63,0
French_Lorreine,40.62,17.80,20.06,9.72,7.58,1.38,0 .76,0,0.42,0.71,0.95,0,0
Calabria_Feroleto(Catanzaro),13.61,7.27,20.04,14.1 8,35.48,7.37,0,1.31,0.01,0,0.31,0.42,0
Albanian_South,22.50,15.35,23.50,10.22,24.70,2.10, 0,0,0,0,0,0,0
Lukasz and Davidski have all our data, they want to clone us all so they can start their own TheApricity forum.
Everyone would like to clone a pure race vlach like you, Bosniensis (Sorry for if i'm too slav to talk with you) :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bosniensis
I am pure triracial.Quote:
Originally Posted by andre
Vlach+Morlak+Illyrian?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bosniensis
Jokes apart, could i see your K13 results?
@Bosniensis
Slavic + Illyrian + CelticQuote:
Originally Posted by andre
:)
And this too (on k13) Thank you!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukasz
Czech_Moravian,32.84,37.68,11.13,3.61,10.17,0,0.90 ,0,0.35,0.65,1.01,1.66,0
Slovak_West,30.27,38.62,13.26,3.73,7.47,1.71,1.99, 0,1.48,0.79,0.62,0.07,0
Russian_West_Siberia,25.02,46.68,8.63,6.69,2.01,1. 14,1.54,1.09,5.02,1.07,1.01,0,0.1
Vlach_Timok,25.17,26.7,18.87,6.81,17.69,1.75,0.2,0 .54,0.21,0.56,1.71,0,0.33
Excuse me, what the heck is this? Why is that sample supposed to be representative of a group which doesn't even have a unique or distinct genetic profile? Siberian Russians are diverse and mostly a mix of various Russians (incl. Ukrainians) plus some other things sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by andre
Great work! :thumb001:Quote:
Originally Posted by andre
Here are new results of my friend from northern Hungary. She is very west Slavic-like genetically. :)
Target: Blanka
Distance: 2.9287% / 2.92868508 | ADC: 0.25x
52.0 Czech_Moravian
30.0 Slovak_West
16.8 Swiss_Italian
1.2 Saudi
Distance to: Blanka
5.69206465 Hungarian_East
6.25840235 Czech_Moravian
6.37269726 Slovenian
6.70607188 Hungarian_New
7.06498818 Slovak
7.33430978 Czech
7.36590795 Kaykavian_Croatian
7.44335274 Slovak_West
7.52636699 HungarianTA
7.85809137 Hungarian_Transdanubia
Target: Russian_West_SiberiaQuote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Distance: 1.0088% / 1.00877326 | ADC: 0.25x
40.4 Kargopol_Russian
25.0 Cossacks_Kuban
17.8 Erzya
10.0 Ukrainian_Lviv
5.6 Ukrainian_Belgorod
0.6 NAN_Melanesian
0.4 Kabardin
0.2 She
Distance to: Russian_West_Siberia
3.54026835 Kargopol_Russian
5.42377175 Cossacks_Kuban
5.42586399 Southwest_Russian
5.99415549 Ukrainian_Belgorod
6.04373229 Russian_Smolensk
6.47717531 Estonian_Polish
6.57425281 Erzya
7.58829362 Ukrainian
7.76779892 Belorussian
7.94080600 Polish
Target: Vlach_Timok
Distance: 1.2945% / 1.29449547 | ADC: 0.25x
37.0 Serb_Croatia
27.6 Pomak_Plovdiv
16.0 Trentino
15.6 Bulgarian_Pleven
2.0 Croat_Split
1.0 Sardinian
0.8 Papuan
Distance to: Vlach_Timok
3.65253337 Bulgarian_Pleven
4.07992647 Bosniak_Sandzak
4.30111335 Montenegrin
4.90905286 Romanian_Transylvania
4.96501531 Macedonian
5.00285918 Romanian_Average
5.35421329 Serb_Croatia
5.37326436 Serbian_new
5.39497915 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
5.50182697 South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster
Target: Slovak_West
Distance: 2.0446% / 2.04457450 | ADC: 0.25x
75.0 Slovak
13.8 Estonian_Polish
4.8 East_Finnish
3.2 Southwest_Finnish
2.8 Sardinian
0.4 Austroasiatic_Ho
Distance to: Slovak_West
3.41758635 Slovak
4.56256507 Czech
5.48300100 South_Polish
6.13149248 Ukrainian_Lviv
6.21568178 Hungarian_East
6.44784460 Croatian
6.72983655 Kaykavian_Croatian
6.73056461 Ukrainian
6.88353307 Slovenian
7.63934552 Bosniak_Tuzla
Target: Czech_Moravian
Distance: 3.5331% / 3.53309900 | ADC: 0.25x
67.2 Czech
13.6 Pomak_Plovdiv
11.6 Southwest_Finnish
7.2 Belorussian
0.2 Ethiopian_Gumuz
0.2 Ethiopian_Wolayta
Distance to: Czech_Moravian
4.65655452 Czech
4.85822343 Slovak
5.46415593 Hungarian_East
6.68002994 Kaykavian_Croatian
7.21388938 South_Polish
7.49998667 German_east
7.59512901 Slovenian
8.11146719 Bosniak_Tuzla
8.28317572 Hungarian_New
8.33641410 Croatian
Actually I think it's the guy posted by me, lol. But adding one guy makes no sense. It's like adding you or me. That is the reason why I don't use updated Vahaduo. I know banned TA users on Anthrogenica slam this project too (though I'm not one of them).Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
People should at least consult with me if they deal with Russians/East Slavs. I don't interfere when other ethnicities are discussed.
Andre did amazing job, these averages look fantastic! BIG THANK YOU! Let's keep making new great averages to make K13 best genetic too on the net (it already is!) :thumb001:
Fuck Anthrogenica and dogmatic tards there (not you ofc), updated K13 is awesome, lot more accurate than G25. I personally use multiple people to make each average.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
It doesn't matter how many samples, it matters how representative they are.
Maybe some of the updates are indeed good, I cannot speak for all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
You know, funny thing is that many academic averages can be very off. One Croatian academic sample is fully Albanian-like, for example. It seems amateurs can be more careful with details than some of the scientists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
I trust our members here more. We are honest, and know what to expect from each results. And if we collect reliable samples with well-known family origin, we can create great calculators :)
@Leto, yes, some samples were published by you. Yes, they are single samples, buy in my opinion could be representative.
That’s results are published by you, but they are online, so please don’t be scandalized if I publish it, you shared them publicly.
23andMe K13 Updated
Code:Target: Raedwald
Distance: 3.2997% / 3.29971484 | ADC: 0.5x
62.0 Southeast_English
30.6 South_Dutch
6.2 East_German
1.2 Mayan
Code:Target: Raedwald
Distance: 2.0889% / 2.08894213 | ADC: 0.25x
78.2 Southeast_English
14.0 East_German
2.4 Southwest_French
2.4 Swiss_Italian
1.0 Austroasiatic_Ho
1.0 Karitiana
1.0 Mayan
AncestryDNA K13 UpdatedCode:Distance to: Raedwald
5.44091904 Southeast_English
5.69997368 South_Dutch
6.01508936 German_West
6.36058173 English
6.73186453 West_German
7.31778655 Orcadian
7.45991287 Danish
7.82865889 Southwest_English
7.87031130 North_German
8.51603781 North-Dutch
8.86976324 Irish
9.16168653 Welsh
9.20627503 West_Scottish
9.28341532 Scottish
9.93496351 Swiss_German
10.00944554 Swedish
10.14280040 Norwegian
10.92291170 French
12.64450078 Austrian
13.14207366 East_German
13.21326606 Swiss_French
14.24241904 Hungarian_Transdanubia
15.92059986 AostaValley
16.49998485 German_east
16.97851878 North-Swedish
Code:Target: Raedwald
Distance: 1.8768% / 1.87681939 | ADC: 0.25x
74.6 Southeast_English
16.0 East_German
6.2 Southwest_French
1.4 Karitiana
0.8 Austroasiatic_Ho
0.6 Swiss_Italian
0.4 Mayan
Code:Target: Raedwald
Distance: 3.1814% / 3.18137504 | ADC: 0.5x
56.0 Southeast_English
37.6 South_Dutch
5.2 East_German
1.2 Mayan
Code:Distance to: Raedwald
5.37178741 South_Dutch
5.48171506 Southeast_English
5.88475148 German_West
6.35402235 English
6.45795633 West_German
7.44061825 Orcadian
7.65773465 Danish
7.77274083 Southwest_English
8.02324124 North_German
8.71959288 North-Dutch
8.96074216 Irish
8.99197976 Welsh
9.33562531 West_Scottish
9.38289934 Scottish
9.58849832 Swiss_German
10.28260667 Swedish
10.37163439 Norwegian
10.57514066 French
12.47054931 Austrian
12.80314805 Swiss_French
13.00537966 East_German
14.09571211 Hungarian_Transdanubia
15.48395621 AostaValley
16.46978142 German_east
17.21894596 North-Swedish
If you don’t like, cound change the name in “Russian_Omsk” no problem, we are not scientists or genetistsQuote:
Originally Posted by Leto
I use a @DacoCeltic sample “romanian_South_Transylvania”... it’s a good sample, i hope that you don’t offend for that.
I know that sample. I think the kit is no longer available after the Gedmatch change back in December.Quote:
Originally Posted by andre
That's not my problem. My concern is about potentially unrepresentative samples being used as such.Quote:
Originally Posted by andre
Good point, agree. I think this sample is good though, seems similar mix in modeling like one you describe is prevalent in Siberia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Yes that's true, if you don't like tell to Lukasz to not upload it, no problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Yeah, that sample is ok. For example I also posted another Siberian Russian, he is a genealogist (runs a web page about Siberian ancestry) and has a pretty good genealogical tree but he scores something like 4% South_Asian on Eurogenes which is very unusual. I wouldn't use one like that for example, although he might be a true Sibiryak personally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
With unrepresentative samples you'll end up having another Dodecad spreadsheet. Literally no Polish person gets a close distance to the "Polish" reference (according to Peterski). Totally off :lol:
Apparently I'm not closer to a half Frenchman and just 1/8 Morrocan Jew
Eurogenes K13 updated
Distance: 2.9820% / 2.98197995
85.6 West_Scottish
9.6 Moroccan_Jew
4.0 Southeast_English
0.4 Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator
0.2 Chamar
0.2 Ethiopian_Gumuz
PuntDNAL K15 works much better for me.
Modeling w. Germany and France
Distance: 3.0460% / 3.04599898
55.6 French
44.4 North_German
Modeling w. England and France
Distance: 3.6835% / 3.68349143
54.8 English
45.2 French
23andMe K13 Updated
Code:Target: DacoCeltic
Distance: 2.7466% / 2.74661608 | ADC: 0.5x
66.4 West_German
19.8 Swiss_German
13.8 Bulgarian_Southwest
Target: DacoCeltic
Distance: 2.1017% / 2.10173211 | ADC: 0.25x
81.6 West_German
16.8 Bulgarian_Southwest
1.0 Lebanese_Druze
0.6 Velamas
Target: DacoCeltic
Distance: 1.1949% / 1.19486939
60.4 Southeast_English
19.8 Greek_Northern-Thrace
8.0 North-Dutch
4.2 Lebanese_Druze
3.6 Greek_Western-Macedonia
2.0 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
1.4 Velamas
0.4 Greek_Trabzon
0.2 Bulgarian_Southwest
Distance to: DacoCeltic
4.40719866 Swiss_German
5.05291005 West_German
6.20721355 Swiss_French
7.10368918 South_Dutch
8.36893661 French
8.81395484 Hungarian_Transdanubia
9.20002174 German_West
9.50097363 Austrian
10.13219621 AostaValley
12.17303578 East_German
12.67016574 North_German
13.05168571 Southeast_English
13.11366463 Trentino
13.36306851 Friuli-VG
13.55240938 Hungarian_New
13.57464917 English
14.10908927 Danish
14.11596968 Swiss-Italian
14.38768918 HungarianTA
14.42687076 Swiss_Italian
14.83491153 Bulgarian_Dupnitsa
14.88455575 Hungarian_East
15.40259718 Veneto
15.40487910 Orcadian
15.40593717 Szekely
AncestryDNA K13 Updated
Code:Target: DacoCeltic
Distance: 3.1515% / 3.15146685 | ADC: 0.5x
59.4 West_German
24.0 Swiss_French
12.2 AostaValley
3.6 Turk_Burgas
0.8 Kurd_Iran
Target: DacoCeltic
Distance: 2.1640% / 2.16399089 | ADC: 0.25x
75.8 West_German
18.2 AostaValley
4.0 Turk_East_Black_Sea
2.0 Lebanese_Druze
Target: DacoCeltic
Distance: 1.0798% / 1.07980737
67.6 Southeast_English
10.4 Greek_Western-Thrace
9.6 Turk_East_Black_Sea
8.6 Bulgarian_Southwest
3.6 Spanish_Valencia
0.2 Karitiana
Distance to: DacoCeltic
4.92461166 Swiss_German
5.55372848 Swiss_French
5.94655362 West_German
7.29870536 French
7.66045691 South_Dutch
8.19735323 AostaValley
10.34178901 German_West
11.35629341 Hungarian_Transdanubia
11.93291666 Austrian
12.42264867 Trentino
12.56745002 Friuli-VG
13.00593711 Swiss-Italian
13.60425669 Swiss_Italian
13.64607270 Southeast_English
14.14187753 North_German
14.16175483 English
14.20691381 Veneto
14.22238377 Spanish_Cataluna
14.70344858 East_German
14.99103065 Piedmont
15.21182764 Portuguese
15.62553679 Southwest_English
15.68274211 Danish
15.77931557 Hungarian_New
15.81534065 Spanish_Galicia
I will upload tomorrow those new refs.
Also I don't understand why some people on other forum have problem with 'updated' calc versions. For everyone such calc, original oracle version is preserved too.
They simply don't have to use it.
What's wrong with the Dodecad spreadsheet? All samples I have added on there are averages of +7 kits at the very least. Same can't be said for other spreadsheets. It's the best for West Asia by far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Eurogenes on the other hand at the moment has a lot of n=1 samples.
I was talking about the original one. It's quite infamously bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyp Snow
Yeah, I was going to mention, the samples that are bad and nonsensical are mostly the default onesQuote:
Originally Posted by Leto