Indigenous Balkan I2a1 in southern Albania

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Originally Posted by Herr Abubu

Gjenetika nuk rren. Edhe jum kan niqin here qanej ka ju. Edhe cka? Argument budallakafet.



Talking to a massive moron like you is draining. And no, that's not the whole picture. First of all, Tosks clearly have a large amount of Slavic Y-DNA, which means they assimilated a large Slavic body of people. Secondly, we share a lot of IBD with Poles, which obviously means Slavic influence on the Albanian gene pool, because Slavs went southwards from somewhere around Poland, while Albanians never were anywhere near Poland to influence it genetically.

But yes, I agree South Slavs were greatly influenced by Albanians genetically, but by Gheg Albanians. What Y-DNA distributions tells us is that, at least paternally, Gheg Albanians have very little genetic influence from South Slavs, Tosks have many times more than Ghegs. Meaning that South Slavs assimilated Ghegs, while Tosks assimilated South Slavs.

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Especially Montenegrin's

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Originally Posted by Herr Abubu

Gjenetika nuk rren. Edhe jum kan niqin here qanej ka ju. Edhe cka? Argument budallakafet.



Talking to a massive moron like you is draining. And no, that's not the whole picture. First of all, Tosks clearly have a large amount of Slavic Y-DNA, which means they assimilated a large Slavic body of people. Secondly, we share a lot of IBD with Poles, which obviously means Slavic influence on the Albanian gene pool, because Slavs went southwards from somewhere around Poland, while Albanians never were anywhere near Poland to influence it genetically.

But yes, I agree South Slavs were greatly influenced by Albanians genetically, but by Gheg Albanians. What Y-DNA distributions tells us is that, at least paternally, Gheg Albanians have very little genetic influence from South Slavs, Tosks have many times more than Ghegs. Meaning that South Slavs assimilated Ghegs, while Tosks assimilated South Slavs.

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Not necessarily you inconsistent moron, it could be due to a founder effect

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Originally Posted by Skerdilaid

Not necessarily you inconsistent moron, it could be due to a founder effect

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Oh, right, which only means that the Tosk Albanians with (paternally) Slavic origins for some reason multiplied more, which in effect would be the same damn thing. Either way, there's a disproportionate amount of Slavic ancestry in Tosk Albanians.

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Originally Posted by Skerdilaid

Not necessarily you inconsistent moron, it could be due to a founder effect

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Skerdi could you pls explain to me what "Founder effect", "Bottlenecks" etc are?

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Originally Posted by Herr Abubu

Oh, right, which only means that the Tosk Albanians with Slavic origins for some reason multiplied more, which in effect would be the same damn thing.

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There is a difference between assimilated large body of Slavic population with few families who expanded later as Albanians any way you look at it.

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Originally Posted by Skerdilaid

There is a difference between assimilated large body of Slavic population with few families who expanded later as Albanians any way you look at it.

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Yeah, it's called splitting hairs over something that isn't very likely to have happened. And you really overestimate founder effects.

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Originally Posted by Kelmendasi

Skerdi could you pls explain to me what "Founder effect", "Bottlenecks" etc are?

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Read it here bro: http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolib...bottlenecks_01

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Originally Posted by Skerdilaid

Read it here bro: http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolib...bottlenecks_01

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Thanks man :thumb001:

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Originally Posted by Herr Abubu

Yeah, it's called splitting hairs over something that isn't very likely to have happened. And you really overestimate founder effects.

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I am not splitting hair here, if your scenario were correct we would see other effects of such assimilation, culturally and linguistically most importantly, without even discussing the low diversity of I2a within the Balkans.

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Originally Posted by Herr Abubu

Oh, right, which only means that the Tosk Albanians with (paternally) Slavic origins for some reason multiplied more, which in effect would be the same damn thing. Either way, there's a disproportionate amount of Slavic ancestry in Tosk Albanians.

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But why tosk and ghegs look almost the same then ?????? My grandpa ( a Lab from corrush originaly ) is Isa boletinis look alike... Also when i was in prishtina 3 years ago with my aunt which was a guest of some people she took in her home in 99' , I don't think that i saw any difference between them (and people in prishtina in general ) and people from the south..


Also you can check gheg and tosk singers on youtube..