Genética de españoles e hispanoamericanos

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Originally Posted by Defcon2

Sí que doy subsahariano en las calculadoras aunque hay otros españoles y portugueses que también lo dan.

Por el momento no sé una mierda, pero tiene un TMRCA que va desde el 700 a.C hasta el 2800 a.C aproximadamente, no es el típico haplogrupo bereber ni por fecha ni por frecuencia ya que se ubica más al sur, pero por supuesto lo más probable es que fuese introducido en la peninsula ibérica durante el periodo musulmán. Es como un R1a que fuese romano o español, menos común pero posible.

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Si subsahariano dan hasta algunos suecos (depende de la calculadora) pero en 0.2-0.3%. Lo q tienes q ver es si das un 2% de subsahariano o un 0.4%. Si es un 2% está claro que tienes algún antepasado negro en los últimos 1000 años. Y lo del TMRCA es indiferente. Si es desde el 2800aC en cualquier momento desde esa fecha pudo llegar a España, en época prehistórica, con fenicios, con moros, con americanos de vuelta a España en 1600. A saber. ¿Tienes algo de aspecto q pudiera identificarte como "ligeramente" diferente? Es decir, la nariz más ancha o algo diferente? O eres typical Spanish en todo? La verdad es q es curioso lo tuyo, casi igual de impactante q ver todavía a españoles con el halopgrupo G.

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Originally Posted by Defcon2

Para eso hay que mandar saliva? parece que tienen buen precio.

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No lo sé, igual se supone que te lo hacen con un archivo BAM de datos en crudo previamente pagado de alguna otra compañía, por eso pregunto.

Demasiado barato me parece para cosa buena.

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Originally Posted by Defcon2

Calculadora de Anthogenica, es unscaled y utilizando 0.25x:

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Sub-Saharan:I2298,-0.0542,0.0065,0.0056,0.0035,0.0013,0.0047,-0.0042,0.007,-0.0099,0.0012,0.0005,0.0053,-0.0099,0.0023,-0.0142,0.004,-0.0109,0.0021,-0.0048,0.0052,0.0033,0.0032,0.0015,0.0047,0.0027

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Target: Juan
Distance: 1.6115% / 0.01611545 | ADC: 0.25x
80.0 FranceEngland&Germany
20.0 North_Africa

Xabier se está pasando, no digo más.

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[1] "distance%=1.2593"

Endovelicus

FranceEngland&Germany,76.6
Italy&France,9.2
North_Africa,7.4
Levant,6.8

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Originally Posted by Defcon2

Sí que doy subsahariano en las calculadoras aunque hay otros españoles y portugueses que también lo dan.

Por el momento no sé una mierda, pero tiene un TMRCA que va desde el 700 a.C hasta el 2800 a.C aproximadamente, no es el típico haplogrupo bereber ni por fecha ni por frecuencia ya que se ubica más al sur, pero por supuesto lo más probable es que fuese introducido en la peninsula ibérica durante el periodo musulmán. Es como un R1a que fuese romano o español, menos común pero posible.

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Tengamos la fiesta en paz...:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Gota_type_

Si subsahariano dan hasta algunos suecos (depende de la calculadora) pero en 0.2-0.3%. Lo q tienes q ver es si das un 2% de subsahariano o un 0.4%. Si es un 2% está claro que tienes algún antepasado negro en los últimos 1000 años. Y lo del TMRCA es indiferente. Si es desde el 2800aC en cualquier momento desde esa fecha pudo llegar a España, en época prehistórica, con fenicios, con moros, con americanos de vuelta a España en 1600. A saber. ¿Tienes algo de aspecto q pudiera identificarte como "ligeramente" diferente? Es decir, la nariz más ancha o algo diferente? O eres typical Spanish en todo? La verdad es q es curioso lo tuyo, casi igual de impactante q ver todavía a españoles con el halopgrupo G.

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Pues me parece que en el G25 doy hasta un 1.4% SSA como mucho y en 23andMe me dan un 1.1%, y lo del aspecto ligeramente diferente... creo que hay personas totalmente ibéricas con un aspecto mucho más "exótico" que yo.

Si ves algún rasgo subsahariano ya me dirás, puede que el pelo, lo otro no puedo mostrarlo que me chapan la cuenta :rolleyes:

Spoiler!

Aquí tenía 14 o 15 años no burlarse :picard2:

https://i.postimg.cc/MpBbVr13/yoyo.png

Hombre, está claro que no es reciente, mínimo de hace 300 años y posiblemente incluso bastante más anterior. Muchos portugueses dan más alto subsahariano.

Quizá en tu pueblo de origen hubo gente emigrando a América y se mezclaron allí y luego volvieron sus hijos, o a saber. Eso es investigarlo por tu cuenta. La foto no la he podido ver, pero no importa, si dices hay gente más exótica q tú pues está claro que entras dentro del rango de español. Quizá incluso yo sea más raro que tú (por el otro lado, de parecer norteEuropeo).

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Originally Posted by Defcon2

Pues me parece que en el G25 doy hasta un 1.4% SSA como mucho y en 23andMe me dan un 1.1%, y lo del aspecto ligeramente diferente... creo que hay personas totalmente ibéricas con un aspecto mucho más "exótico" que yo.

Si ves algún rasgo subsahariano ya me dirás, puede que el pelo, lo otro no puedo mostrarlo que me chapan la cuenta :rolleyes:

Spoiler!

Aquí tenía 14 o 15 años no burlarse :picard2:

https://i.postimg.cc/MpBbVr13/yoyo.png

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Originally Posted by Defcon2

Pues me parece que en el G25 doy hasta un 1.4% SSA como mucho y en 23andMe me dan un 1.1%, y lo del aspecto ligeramente diferente... creo que hay personas totalmente ibéricas con un aspecto mucho más "exótico" que yo.

Si ves algún rasgo subsahariano ya me dirás, puede que el pelo, lo otro no puedo mostrarlo que me chapan la cuenta :rolleyes:

[spoiler]
Aquí tenía 14 o 15 años no burlarse :picard2:

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Buena foto amigo. Mira, yo si veo el SSA en esa foto, esta en los jeroglíficos del cojin, me huele mas a nigeriano que keniano, pero habria que hacerle un estudio para saber exactamente.

A ver tio, que fuera de coñas, tienes cara de sacar 100% iberico en el myFTDNA, no digo mas.

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Originally Posted by gixajo

Ese engendro de modelo horroroso que nos saca el moruno a cascoporro (que tanto intentamos esconder inútilmente) es obra del bilbaíno-irlandés?

Si es obra suya, no podemos esperar más, hay que echarle Polonio en la Guiness, está yendo demasiado lejos.

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xD

No sé si estoy equivocado, pero creo que el hecho de que los españoles inevitablemente coincidan en los test con los marroquíes es más debido a la alta presencia de componente mediterráneo del oeste en ellos que de africano en nosotros.

Por lo que tengo entendido el autosomal lo que hace es encontrar afinidades genéticas entre las distintas poblaciones y los marroquíes por esto mismo son tan afines a los españoles.

Recordemos que aunque los bereberes tengan un haplogrupo de origen africano, la gran mayoría de ellos provienen de migraciones cromañones de la península ibérica como así sucedió en Canarias.

Otra cuestión es que los marroquíes actuales sean en su mayoría una amalgama de descendientes de esclavos negros, de poblaciones árabes inmigradas en busca de nueva ventura, etc lo que les da ese aspecto de "moro" tan característico.

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Originally Posted by Gaditanian

xD

No sé si estoy equivocado, pero creo que el hecho de que los españoles inevitablemente coincidan en los test con los marroquíes es más debido a la alta presencia de componente mediterráneo del oeste en ellos que de africano en nosotros.

Por lo que tengo entendido el autosomal lo que hace es encontrar afinidades genéticas entre las distintas poblaciones y los marroquíes por esto mismo son tan afines a los españoles.

Recordemos que aunque los bereberes tengan un haplogrupo de origen africano, la gran mayoría de ellos provienen de migraciones cromañones de la península ibérica como así sucedió en Canarias.

Otra cuestión es que los marroquíes actuales sean en su mayoría una amalgama de descendientes de esclavos negros, de poblaciones árabes inmigradas en busca de nueva ventura, etc lo que les da ese aspecto de "moro" tan característico.

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Posiblemente a las dos cosas a la vez.:rolleyes:

El caso es que es ahí está siempre, por la razón que sea, y luego ya cada cual que se crea la versión que más le guste, que es lo que siempre hace todo el mundo.

Paso de repetir una y otra vez lo que opino.

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Originally Posted by Defcon2

Pues me parece que en el G25 doy hasta un 1.4% SSA como mucho y en 23andMe me dan un 1.1%, y lo del aspecto ligeramente diferente... creo que hay personas totalmente ibéricas con un aspecto mucho más "exótico" que yo.

Si ves algún rasgo subsahariano ya me dirás, puede que el pelo, lo otro no puedo mostrarlo que me chapan la cuenta :rolleyes:

[spoiler]
Aquí tenía 14 o 15 años no burlarse :picard2:

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Pero hombre como vas a tener rasgos negroides por tener un haplotipo supuestamente subsahariano???

Es como si yo tuviera rasgos eslavo-germánicos por mi haplotipo raruno. Y encima en una foto con 15 años :picard1:

Spoiler!

https://i.postimg.cc/HsyYZHDz/001-2.jpg