German GEDmatch results

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Originally Posted by rothaer

G25 has the problem that Northern Easter Germans do get loads of Swedish, which is due to a little Finnish or Finnish-like input in Swedes, that is confused with a Germanic-Slavic mixture. I have two G25 coords where that excessively happens. While this confusion does not at all happen in K36.

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could you share those coordinates? Swedes probably have both Finnish and Baltic influence, north east Germans should have only Balto-Slavic

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

As for names, agree German names sound better. We wanted them to be more understandable for others, but if others don't mind, can't see why we couldn't use them.

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I think those interested in this subject will naturally be familiar with the proper German nomenclature. If anything, the English might be unfamiliar to them, since English speakers generally don't know much or talk much about Brunswick and Upper Saxony and Hither Pomerania.

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

It's kind of odd. Carinthia and Styria have visible genetic profile that is Slovenian like. Burgenland is surprisingly different, not so Slavic/south Slavic and more "German shifted" but with notable Slavic also.
Tyrol looks Swiss like and between SW Germans and Alpine Italians. That's all fine.

Lower and Upper Austria/Salzburg are mess. Some are SW German like, some are Swiss like, some are Carinthian/Slavic shifted. And these people have deep ancestry in these areas.
We are trying to get few more samples from these regions to estimate what's best to do.

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Even if regions like Lower and Upper Austria have a vast diversity, you should still do an average based on the geographic/political division, I think. For example Alföld is super diverse, from the northern areas being more similar to North Hungarian results while southern parts are kinda Slovenian-like, even more southern, but I still decided to have them all under this geographic term. Many outliers are natural to be in any region.

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

No idea, probably people from Vienna with various backgrounds. It doesn't look very accurate based on results we have so far, too much eastern.
Also working to replace Slovenian and Czech academic averages (Slovenian current one is pretty fine though, Czech less so)

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Since you respect Dodecad K12b, you could make a few generalized German averages. We already have three (Bavarian by Piotr, some Eastern-ish academic dataset and Creoda's Northwestern). I guess an improvement would be good, especially if you really have a lot of data.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

this is the final version of mine and Peterski's averages:

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Poland_Lemko,27.74,37.63,14.89,7.34,9.48,0.24,0.42,0.58,0.56,0.60,0.52,0.00,0.00
Polish_Greater_Poland,31.45,43.92,10.26,5.30,5.52,0.80,0.87,0.09,0.23,0.65,0.48,0.37,0.06
Polish_Kielce,29.3,45.17,10.56,5.45,5.36,0.76,1.36,0.15,0.37,0.81,0.4,0.28,0.03
Polish_Kujawy,31.83,45.41,9.95,4.66,3.33,1.47,1.02,0.20,0.79,0.93,0.00,0.41,0.00
Polish_Lesser_Poland,31.00,43.23,11.15,5.26,5.63,0.55,0.47,0.06,0.80,0.85,0.57,0.29,0.16
Polish_Mazovia,28.33,46.20,10.70,5.60,5.04,0.54,1.20,0.15,0.69,0.66,0.50,0.18,0.20
Polish_North_Wielkopolska,31.98,43.23,10.06,5.79,5.57,0.87,0.73,0.17,0.19,1.00,0.03,0.35,0.03
Polish_Podlaskie,29.87,46.68,7.30,4.42,6.83,1.65,1.33,0.00,1.06,0.35,0.52,0.00,0.00
Polish_Silesia,29.25,43.03,12.16,6.16,5.57,0.39,1.25,0.29,0.64,0.70,0.42,0.16,0.00
Polish_Southeast,28.71,42.67,11.10,6.04,7.21,1.18,0.44,0.11,1.70,0.23,0.12,0.35,0.13
Polish_Staropolska,29.08,46.18,10.22,4.40,6.59,0.77,0.73,0.00,0.45,0.75,0.37,0.46,0.00
Polish_WarmiaMasuria,32.51,44.26,10.88,4.19,3.27,0.95,1.21,0.16,1.06,0.51,0.33,0.29,0.39

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this is not exactly the same as those on Vahaduo now, I don't know what happened there.

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I have done a clean-up to the previous Vahaduo sheet and renamed a few things. Southeast became Subcarpathia, like the name of the voivodeship, I moved Lemko under their own category since they are a separate ethnic group from Poles, I deleted Kielce since it is part of Lesser Poland and very similar to them, and also deleted North Wielkopolska since it is part of Greater Poland and very similar to it.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Since you respect Dodecad K12b, you could make a few generalized German averages. We already have three (Bavarian by Piotr, some Eastern-ish academic dataset and Creoda's Northwestern). I guess an improvement would be good,

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Yes we will, I promise! For K12b we will make broader regional averages (NW,SW,NE,SE) and German in general, just as you like it :)
Better Austrian reference(s) could be added too.

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Originally Posted by Dunai

I have done a clean-up to the previous Vahaduo sheet and renamed a few things. Southeast became Subcarpathia, like the name of the voivodeship, I moved Lemko under their own category since they are a separate ethnic group from Poles, I deleted Kielce since it is part of Lesser Poland and very similar to them, and also deleted North Wielkopolska since it is part of Greater Poland and very similar to it.

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North Wielkopolska, Staropolska and Kielce are by Peterski, I didn't want to remove them since he's the Polish guy around here, but if he agrees with the deletion, than ok.

Southeast is Subcarpathia+Lubelskie+Poles from Lviv, because of a small number of samples.

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Yes we will, I promise! For K12b we will make broader regional averages (NW,SW,NE,SE) and German in general, just as you like it :)
Better Austrian reference(s) could be added too.

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Awesome! Looking forward to that. Austrian is absent, except for Tyrol (submitted by Brazorf).

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Originally Posted by rothaer

G25 has the problem that Northern Easter Germans do get loads of Swedish, which is due to a little Finnish or Finnish-like input in Swedes, that is confused with a Germanic-Slavic mixture. I have two G25 coords where that excessively happens. While this confusion does not at all happen in K36.

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It could be that both Swedes and northeastern Germans have some Baltic or Balto-Slavic input. Shouldn't there have been some recent Swedish influences in those parts of Germany? I speak as an ignoramus, as I am not familiar with the history of the region.

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Originally Posted by Leto

The only Upper Austrian I know is Mortimer xD

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