Iranian GEDmatch kits

Printable View

Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page

09-03-2019, 04:03 PM
Kyp

Quote:

Originally Posted by hussein khan

kermans are not southeasterners, bandaris are.

But np.

Oh no Kermanis are southeasternmost persians, since Balochs are not persian.
Bandari are just southern. Also aren't Bandaris more located in the southwest (Gulf)?
09-03-2019, 04:06 PM
hussein khan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

Oh no Kermanis are southeasternmost persians, since Balochs are not persian.
Bandari are just southern. Also aren't Bandaris more located in the southwest (Gulf)?

I dont know where bandaris are placed. But i wouldnt find it crazy theyre place south east actually or more to the east, since many can be more similiar to iranian balochs.

But i thought they be more north. Didnt pay any attention about where kerman is placed...
09-03-2019, 04:17 PM
Kyp

Quote:

Originally Posted by meson

Seems like Azeri and Persians are very close. I think Persians just have bit more CHG in them.

Depends on how you define close. I think Azeris are closer to Iranian Kurds and Caspian Iranians like (Mazandarani and Gilaki) than to Persians. Lurs would be intermediate between Kurds and Persians.
Also note: I don't know on what the Iranian sample on Gedmatch is based on. All Iranians? Only Persians?...
09-03-2019, 04:21 PM
Oghuz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

Depends on how you define close. I think Azeris are closer to Iranian Kurds and Caspian Iranians like (Mazandarani and Gilaki) than to Persians. Lurs would be intermediate between Kurds and Persians.
Also note: I don't know on what the Iranian sample on Gedmatch is based on. All Iranians? Only Persians?...

Persian is a very lose term as well. There is a difference between ethnic Persian descended from Zagros area and just a Persian speaking migrant.

Proximity of Azeris with Persians is based on their highest proportions which are same. Only difference is in CHG and Siberian Component.
09-03-2019, 04:34 PM
Kyp

Quote:

Originally Posted by meson

Persian is a very lose term as well. There is a difference between ethnic Persian descended from Zagros area and just a Persian speaking migrant.

Proximity of Azeris with Persians is based on their highest proportions which are same. Only difference is in CHG and Siberian Component.

Persians have significant more Gedrosian/Baloch admixture overall. Edging 10% difference on average.

Btw. It was a random Iranian azeri sample.
09-03-2019, 05:07 PM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by meson

I wonder what a purest form of Persian, Lur, Kurd, Azeri Iranian, Pashtun, Baloch etc score like ? can someone post such results

How about this? The guy is from Tehran, not directly from Western Iran (I was wrong)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

From another forum — a Lur from Western Iran

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 42.08
2 East_Med 29.86
3 South_Asian 7.68
4 Red_Sea 6.36
5 West_Med 5
6 North_Atlantic 3.34
7 Baltic 2.98
8 Sub-Saharan 1.04
9 Siberian 0.95
10 Oceanian 0.69

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurdish 2.57
2 Iranian 4.76
3 Azeri 7.82
4 Armenian 9.97
5 Georgian_Jewish 10.75
6 Turkish 13.15
7 Georgian 13.69
8 Assyrian 13.82
9 Abhkasian 14.79
10 Kumyk 14.97
11 Iranian_Jewish 15.9
12 Adygei 16.21
13 Kurdish_Jewish 16.42
14 Ossetian 17.87
15 Balkar 18.37
16 Turkmen 18.37
17 North_Ossetian 18.65
18 Kabardin 19.5
19 Lezgin 19.88
20 Chechen 20.35

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.3% Kurdish + 5.7% Abhkasian @ 2.41
2 94.7% Kurdish + 5.3% Georgian @ 2.45
3 99.5% Kurdish + 0.5% Yoruban @ 2.49
4 99.5% Kurdish + 0.5% Mandenka @ 2.5
5 98% Kurdish + 2% Makrani @ 2.51
6 99.5% Kurdish + 0.5% Bantu_S.W. @ 2.51
7 98.4% Kurdish + 1.6% Brahui @ 2.51
8 99.5% Kurdish + 0.5% Bantu_S.E. @ 2.52
9 98.5% Kurdish + 1.5% Balochi @ 2.52
10 99.6% Kurdish + 0.4% Biaka_Pygmy @ 2.53
11 91.1% Kurdish + 8.9% Iranian @ 2.53
12 99.7% Kurdish + 0.3% Luhya @ 2.54
13 99.7% Kurdish + 0.3% Bantu_N.E. @ 2.55
14 99.8% Kurdish + 0.2% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 2.56
15 99.1% Kurdish + 0.9% Ossetian @ 2.56
16 99.1% Kurdish + 0.9% North_Ossetian @ 2.56
17 99.2% Kurdish + 0.8% Lezgin @ 2.56
18 99.9% Kurdish + 0.1% Papuan @ 2.56
19 99.9% Kurdish + 0.1% San @ 2.56
20 99.7% Kurdish + 0.3% Adygei @ 2.56

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 37.69
2 South_Central_Asian 25.53
3 Near_East 11.44
4 North_African 7.02
5 European_Early_Farmers 6.69
6 European_Hunters_Gatherers 3.95
7 South_Indian 2.23
8 Ancestral_Altaic 1.76
9 Subsaharian 1.35
10 Austronesian 0.95
11 South_East_Asian 0.59
12 African_Pygmy 0.38
13 Tungus-Altaic 0.23
14 Paleo_Siberian 0.17

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurd_South ( ) 5.27
2 Kurd_East ( ) 5.51
3 Kurd_North ( ) 5.98
4 Kurd ( ) 6.2
5 Azeri ( ) 6.84
6 Uzbek_Tashkent ( ) 9.94
7 Turk_Adana ( ) 10.61
8 Iraqi_Mandean ( ) 10.76
9 Baku_WGA ( ) 11.01
10 Uzbekistani_Jew ( ) 11.53
11 Kurd_Jew ( ) 12.78
12 Iraqi_Chaldean ( ) 13.05
13 Iraki ( ) 13.67
14 Iranian ( ) 13.68
15 Georgian_Jew ( ) 14.32
16 Stalskoe_Kumyk ( ) 14.42
17 Turk ( ) 14.5
18 Iranian_Jew ( ) 14.56
19 Turk_Kayseri ( ) 14.6
20 Azeri_Dagestan ( ) 15.31

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.2% Kurd ( ) + 8.8% Shaigi_Sudan ( ) @ 2.33
2 91.7% Kurd ( ) + 8.3% Algerian ( ) @ 2.4
3 92.7% Kurd ( ) + 7.3% Morocco_South ( ) @ 2.44
4 93.2% Kurd ( ) + 6.8% Berber_WGA ( ) @ 2.46
5 91% Kurd ( ) + 9% Tunisian ( ) @ 2.61
6 93.6% Kurd ( ) + 6.4% Saharawi ( ) @ 2.63
7 94.4% Kurd ( ) + 5.6% Mozabite ( ) @ 2.69
8 94.6% Kurd_North ( ) + 5.4% Mozabite ( ) @ 2.71
9 91.8% Kurd ( ) + 8.2% Moroccan ( ) @ 2.81
10 94.2% Kurd_North ( ) + 5.8% Saharawi ( ) @ 3.14
11 93.9% Kurd_North ( ) + 6.1% Berber_WGA ( ) @ 3.18
12 93.7% Kurd_North ( ) + 6.3% Morocco_South ( ) @ 3.43
13 92.9% Kurd_North ( ) + 7.1% Algerian ( ) @ 3.58
14 92.9% Kurd_North ( ) + 7.1% Moroccan ( ) @ 3.61
15 92.6% Kurd_North ( ) + 7.4% Shaigi_Sudan ( ) @ 3.64
16 92.5% Kurd_North ( ) + 7.5% Tunisian ( ) @ 3.75
17 95.9% Kurd_East ( ) + 4.1% Mozabite ( ) @ 3.76
18 92.2% Kurd ( ) + 7.8% Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( ) @ 3.89
19 87.2% Kurd ( ) + 12.8% Egyptian_Tanta ( ) @ 4.02
20 95.4% Kurd_East ( ) + 4.6% Berber_WGA ( ) @ 4.04

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 40.35
2 Gedrosia 26.47
3 Southwest_Asian 13.32
4 North_European 6.57
5 Atlantic_Med 5.34
6 South_Asian 3.76
7 Northwest_African 3.38
8 East_Asian 0.42
9 East_African 0.38

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurd (Dodecad) 4.51
2 Iranian (Dodecad) 4.58
3 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 5.05
4 Iranians (Behar) 6.32
5 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 9.82
6 Turks (Behar) 14.13
7 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 15.31
8 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 15.54
9 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 15.6
10 Assyrian (Dodecad) 16.1
11 Turkish (Dodecad) 16.62
12 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 16.74
13 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 16.86
14 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 17.33
15 Armenian (Dodecad) 17.95
16 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 18.22
17 Lebanese (Behar) 19.07
18 Armenians (Behar) 21.1
19 Syrians (Behar) 21.24
20 Lezgins (Behar) 21.47

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96.2% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 3.8% Mozabite (HGDP) @ 3.2
2 96.8% Iranian (Dodecad) + 3.2% Mozabite (HGDP) @ 3.23
3 95% Iranian (Dodecad) + 5% Moroccans (Behar) @ 3.4
4 95% Iranian (Dodecad) + 5% Moroccan (Dodecad) @ 3.42
5 94.2% Iranian (Dodecad) + 5.8% Algerian (Dodecad) @ 3.44
6 96.8% Kurd (Dodecad) + 3.2% Pulliyar (Metspalu) @ 3.45
7 96% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 4% Pulliyar (Metspalu) @ 3.47
8 95.9% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 4.1% MALAYAN (Behar) @ 3.52
9 91.1% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 8.9% Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) @ 3.57
10 95.7% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 4.3% North_Kannadi (Behar) @ 3.59
11 92.1% Iranian (Dodecad) + 7.9% Egyptans (Behar) @ 3.6
12 95.8% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 4.2% Nihali (Metspalu) @ 3.6
13 95.6% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 4.4% Hakkipikki (Metspalu) @ 3.61
14 96.9% Kurd (Dodecad) + 3.1% MALAYAN (Behar) @ 3.62
15 95.3% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 4.7% Chenchus (Metspalu) @ 3.63
16 87% Iranian (Dodecad) + 13% Lebanese (Behar) @ 3.63
17 95.6% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 4.4% Gond (Metspalu) @ 3.63
18 95.5% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 4.5% Chamar (Metspalu) @ 3.64
19 97.4% Kurd (Dodecad) + 2.6% Mozabite (HGDP) @ 3.65
20 96% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 4% ASUR (Chaubey) @ 3.65

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 42.1
2 Baloch 25.6
3 SW-Asian 13.76
4 Mediterranean 7
5 NE-Euro 4.73
6 S-Indian 4.03
7 Beringian 1.32
8 Papuan 0.67
9 Siberian 0.3
10 San 0.29
11 E-African 0.2

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 kurd (harappa) 2.08
2 iranian (harappa) 4.07
3 kurd (yunusbayev) 4.36
4 iranian (behar) 4.55
5 kurd (xing) 4.72
6 uzbekistan-jew (behar) 7.63
7 turkish (harappa) 7.9
8 armenian (harappa) 8.73
9 azeri (harappa) 8.78
10 iraqi-arab (harappa) 11.13
11 iraqi-mandaean (harappa) 11.81
12 assyrian (harappa) 12
13 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 12.42
14 turk (behar) 12.53
15 iranian-jew (behar) 13.03
16 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 13.3
17 azerbaijan-jew (behar) 13.76
18 georgia-jew (behar) 14.32
19 iraq-jew (behar) 14.37
20 armenian (yunusbayev) 15.34

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.7% kurd (harappa) + 6.3% assyrian (harappa) @ 1.92
2 94.5% kurd (harappa) + 5.5% azerbaijan-jew (behar) @ 1.92
3 90.8% kurd (harappa) + 9.2% uzbekistan-jew (behar) @ 1.94
4 95.1% kurd (harappa) + 4.9% georgia-jew (behar) @ 1.95
5 95.7% kurd (harappa) + 4.3% armenian (behar) @ 1.95
6 97.2% kurd (harappa) + 2.8% druze (hgdp) @ 1.95
7 95.4% kurd (harappa) + 4.6% iraq-jew (behar) @ 1.96
8 94.4% kurd (harappa) + 5.6% iraqi-mandaean (harappa) @ 1.96
9 95.1% kurd (harappa) + 4.9% iranian-jew (behar) @ 1.97
10 97.1% kurd (harappa) + 2.9% cypriot (behar) @ 1.97
11 96.9% kurd (harappa) + 3.1% lebanese-druze (haber) @ 2
12 97.9% kurd (harappa) + 2.1% samaritian (behar) @ 2
13 97.2% kurd (harappa) + 2.8% lebanese-christian (haber) @ 2
14 87.6% kurd (harappa) + 12.4% kurd (yunusbayev) @ 2
15 98.3% kurd (harappa) + 1.7% georgian (behar) @ 2.01
16 99.4% kurd (harappa) + 0.6% irula (xing) @ 2.02
17 98.4% kurd (harappa) + 1.6% abhkasian (yunusbayev) @ 2.03
18 99.5% kurd (harappa) + 0.5% pulliyar (metspalu) @ 2.04
19 97.8% kurd (harappa) + 2.2% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 2.04
20 98.1% kurd (harappa) + 1.9% syrian (behar) @ 2.05

By the way, what about yourself? Do you think you're not pure enough? :)
09-03-2019, 11:42 PM
Babak

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

I know a guy who is half azeri half turkmen but he thinks he's just persian :D Persian nationalistic inception

Well a lot people in Iran think they're persian because many have been already assimilated and support Persian culture and language. Its been of the most influenced and dominant cultures in that region so it makes sense why some minorities would identify as such.
09-03-2019, 11:44 PM
Babak

Quote:

Originally Posted by meson

Persian is a very lose term as well. There is a difference between ethnic Persian descended from Zagros area and just a Persian speaking migrant.

Proximity of Azeris with Persians is based on their highest proportions which are same. Only difference is in CHG and Siberian Component.

Tehrani persians are most likely assimilated azeris and kurds who mixed with remaining persian speakers over time. Thats why theres some differences in their Adna since Tehran wasn't that populated back then.
09-04-2019, 08:35 AM
hussein khan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

Depends on how you define close. I think Azeris are closer to Iranian Kurds and Caspian Iranians like (Mazandarani and Gilaki) than to Persians. Lurs would be intermediate between Kurds and Persians.
Also note: I don't know on what the Iranian sample on Gedmatch is based on. All Iranians? Only Persians?...

Excluding balochs, many bandaris and some other easterners, mazandaranis would be the most CHG-shifted iranians. ALthough they do get a bit more caucasian than other iranians(like 40-45%), they never seem to get less than 30% baloch(from the 9 samples i seen)and always around 31-32% baloch. THey also seem slightly more SI-shifted. Out of all the 9 samples i seen, only 2 got like below 4,5% SI(one got like 3%, while maybe the other 4%). THe rest just got close to 5% and some even 6%. THey even get less med than the other iranians. TBH, i wouldnt be suprised if theyre inbetween lebanese and afghans and slightly closer to turks than to afghans. That means azeris have some significant differencees(and specially the ones from the west getting less than 20% baloch and some mong in harrappaworld). But thats from only the 9 samples i seen….
09-04-2019, 09:57 AM
Oghuz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

How about this? The guy is from Tehran, not directly from Western Iran (I was wrong)

By the way, what about yourself? Do you think you're not pure enough? :)

As per my taxonomy by members here, I am the most typical textbook Kebob Iranian ever to have been born.

Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page