Genética de españoles e hispanoamericanos

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Originally Posted by Ruderico

He visto algunos tíos Americanos del noroeste europeo con North African, eso si es raro.

Entre mis matches Portuguesas la mayoría tiene cerca de 100% Ibérico, pero hay muchos con un poquito de WANA (North African) y uno o otro con trazitos de SSA. A norte y sur, aunque la mayoria de mis matches son del norte o centro norte. Igual a mis Gallegos, aunque ahí hay dos con B&I o F&G. Tengo un Leonés de pura cepa con 3,5% Italiano, un "medio Asturiano, un cuarto Leones, un cuarto Gallego" también con unas décimas de SSA, etc.

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Sinceramente, creo que por mucho que nos haya subido el Ibérico a todos, me parece una actualización muy extraña.

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Originally Posted by Gota_type_

Sigo flipando con el alto % de norteafricano y negro q dan bastantes portugueses. No creí que fuera tanto. En España no es así ni de lejos.

La mayoría en España ni da africano (en 23andme) y si da, suele ser 0.2% o cosas así. Salvo q sean canarios (y solo algunos de ellos). Pero un 4% de norteafricano o un 1.4% de negro en Portugal?? Como eso sea lo común está claro q sí somos diferentes. Un 5% de africano sí cambia el aspecto físico (un tono quizá más oscuro, menos probabilidad de aspecto "light", etc). Siempre he dicho q los portugueses tienen un 50-60% indistinguibles de españoles prácticamente, pero tienen un 20-30% de gente q son más woggish o como se diga (más morena-borderline White). Ni aquí en Galicia damos ni de lejos esos %. En los q yo he conocido de 23andme, la mayoría damos incluso 0.00% de africano (tanto sur como norte) en 23andme, y alguno da 0.3% o cosas así, pero burradas como un 4.7%?? Tremendo.

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Ai está. O campeão da nordicidade. Em espanha já sabemos que não há gente "woggish".

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Originally Posted by Ruderico

Why not? I've seen plenty of marriage and baptismal records of "negros livres" and slaves' children. It isn't far fetched some of them managed to have offspring that survived to this day.
It's not really evenly distributed, if anything these results are showing how random they are.
https://i.postimg.cc/ssYTqnsn/k7.png

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Yes, they're random, I meant that they seem evenly distributed among those who have it, I've never seen anything out of the 0~2%

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Originally Posted by Ruderico

Why not? I've seen plenty of marriage and baptismal records of "negros livres" and slaves' children. It isn't far fetched some of them managed to have offspring that survived to this day.
It's not really evenly distributed, if anything these results are showing how random they are.
https://i.postimg.cc/ssYTqnsn/k7.png


5.8%
It's probably just random northwest-like DNA and the "smoothing" technology they are employing

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Don't you think it could be because there has been more movement of people both to and from America and your African colonies, than in the case of Spain with its colonies?

That is to say, not black slaves mixed with Portugueses in Portugal, but Portuguese who had lived in the colonies for some time, even several generations, and returned already mixed from there.

Or they went to the colonies for a time, married people who had been in the colonies for several generations and already had some foreign contribution, and returned married.

Just to offer more options, without invalidating what you said about former slaves etc.

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Originally Posted by Damião de Góis

Ai está. O campeão da nordicidade. Em espanha já sabemos que não há gente "woggish".

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Os que não são nordicos são canários. xD

Because slavery was forbidden in the 1700s, an ancestor from that far back would only leave small traces today

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Originally Posted by gixajo

Don't you think it could be because there has been more movement of people both to and from America and your African colonies, than in the case of Spain with its colonies?

That is to say, not black slaves mixed with Portugueses in Portugal, but Portuguese who had lived in the colonies for some time, even several generations, and returned already mixed from there.

Or they went to the colonies for a time, married people who had been in the colonies for several generations and already had some foreign contribution, and returned married.

Just to offer more options, without invalidating what you said about former slaves etc.

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Maybe, but I've yet to see ancient marriage records of people back migrating, so I assume that wasn't very common

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Originally Posted by Cernunnos

Os que não são nordicos são canários. xD

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Los canarios suelen ser rubios.

https://i.imgur.com/ux7ZQoR.jpg

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Originally Posted by Ruderico

Because slavery was forbidden in the 1700s, an ancestor from that far back would only leave small traces today

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Why do some spaniards score it too tho?

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Originally Posted by gixajo

Don't you think it could be because there has been more movement of people both to and from America and your African colonies, than in the case of Spain with its colonies?

That is to say, not black slaves mixed with Portugueses in Portugal, but Portuguese who had lived in the colonies for some time, even several generations, and returned already mixed from there.

Or they went to the colonies for a time, married people who had been in the colonies for several generations and already had some foreign contribution, and returned married.

Just to offer more options, without invalidating what you said about former slaves etc.

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The first record of black slaves in Portugal dates back to 1444, in Lagos, Algarve. They kept going here for forced labour, for the next centuries, not in the percentages or numbers of the Americas but in some cases enough to make a little genetic inpact (1-3%).

I have this teory that minor SSA is mostly present in Portuguese living in the coast or with a familiar background from the coast, I for example have only family from inland Portugal tracing all back to a minor village in central Portugal quite close to the Spanish border, and I score 0% SSA in most calculators, or very minor (0,3-0,6%).

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Originally Posted by Ruderico

Because slavery was forbidden in the 1700s, an ancestor from that far back would only leave small traces today




Maybe, but I've yet to see ancient marriage records of people back migrating, so I assume that wasn't very common

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And people that came back to metropoli after the independence of colonies, from Brazil, or later from Angola, Mozambique etc...?

For example,something similar to "pieds noirs" in France after Algerian independence happened?