Aye, my Scottish nationalist side's being crushed, by an Anglo Saxon invasion. :D
..or is it Canute? :P
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Aye, my Scottish nationalist side's being crushed, by an Anglo Saxon invasion. :D
..or is it Canute? :P
Just wondering - why Polako - took as "West russian" - Ru19 - Americans - probably with Jewish roots - from South Urals?
Jtest
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http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h1...ngpopshare.png
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h1...depopshare.png
EUtest
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Beware - there viruses ^^ :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Shtrun
Haha unlucky... Well you'll just have to live on the border maybe?Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham
My Grandad is a Cumbrian, Lake District & my surname is a Border clan name. So I have no problem with that. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jackson
Ah cool cool :). Yeah my Scottish ancestry is from the borders actually - Not far from Berwick. The borders is as an often understated place i think - Like a lot of people (when they go on holiday or to visit the country) just go past the borders and into the more spectacular areas...but actually the borders is the best region imho, lots of history. Although this year i was up there earlier in the year when the whole region had floods, only drawback really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham
EU Test
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1 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 31.7
2 ATLANTIC 25.63
3 WEST_MED 12.7
4 EAST_EURO 12.44
5 SOUTH_BALTIC 11.44
6 WEST_ASIAN 5.03
7 EAST_MED 1.37
8 SOUTH_ASIAN 0.5
9 WEST_AFRICAN -
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1 English 3.72
2 NL 4.45
3 DK 4.7
4 Orcadian 5.52
5 Cornish 5.67
6 IE 5.78
7 West_&_Central_German 6.07
8 NO 6.29
9 South_&_Central_Swedish 7.56
10 Scottish 7.57
11 North_Swedish 11.63
12 FR 12.15
13 AT 13.69
14 HU 18.8
15 PT 19.4
16 ES 19.86
17 South_Finnish 20.65
18 Serbian 20.9
19 North_Italian 23.26
20 PL 23.65
I find it rather interesting that on mixed mode I show up 70-86% English with some Scandinavian admixture in the first three likely results, and then 98.4% English and 1.6% Kalash as the 4th most likely result.Quote:
1 78.2% English + 21.8% NO @ 3.41
2 70.1% English + 29.9% DK @ 3.46
3 86.6% English + 13.4% South_&_Central_Swedish@3.57
4 98.4% English + 1.6% Kalash @ 3.6
5 93.3% English + 6.7% North_Swedish @ 3.63
6 98% English + 2% Komi @ 3.65
7 98.9% English + 1.1% Burusho @ 3.66
8 87.8% English + 12.2% IE @ 3.66
9 98.1% English + 1.9% East_Russian @ 3.67
10 99.3% English + 0.7% Gujarati @ 3.68
11 98.5% English + 1.5% Udmurt @ 3.68
12 98% English + 2% East_Finnish @ 3.68
13 99.3% English + 0.7% IN @ 3.68
14 98.5% English + 1.5% Erzya @ 3.68
15 99.3% English + 0.7% Sindhi @ 3.69
16 98.5% English + 1.5% North_Russian @ 3.69
17 99.4% English + 0.6% Bangladeshi @ 3.69
18 98% English + 2% South_Finnish @ 3.69
19 99.5% English + 0.5% Selkup @ 3.7
20 99.7% English + 0.3% South_Indian @ 3.7
Perhaps that is due to some shared ancestry between Indo-European peoples?
Link2Quote:
Originally Posted by Lisa
IBD matches thanks to Daytripper (from ABF):
http://i50.tinypic.com/21b62vm.jpg
Closer up:
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h1...f/section1.png
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h1...f/section2.png
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h1...f/section3.png
Black = 1+ cM
Red = 2+ cM
Yellow = 3+ cM
Green = 4+ cM
Blue = 5+ cM
Magenta = 6+ cM
What's interesting is Serbia is the second biggest oval, rather than Spain.
Jewish link maybe? who were expelled from Iberia and migrated to the Ottoman Balkans?Quote:
Originally Posted by plastictuga
I have no idea, but they disappear once it gets to the Yellow (3+ cM).Quote:
Originally Posted by evon
And Denmark...Quote:
Originally Posted by plastictuga
Quote:
Originally Posted by plastictuga
Small sample size, therefore large margin of error.Quote:
Originally Posted by evon
I got my EUtest & JTest results but how do you do the single population and mixed mode sharing feature??Quote:
Originally Posted by Pallantides
EUTest
EAST_MED 28.73%
WEST_MED 18.37%
MIDDLE_EASTERN 13.97%
WEST_ASIAN 13.95%
ATLANTIC 12.95%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 7.80%
SOUTH_BALTIC 2.91%
WEST_AFRICAN 0.96%
EAST_AFRICAN 0.36%
EAST_EURO - 0
SOUTH_ASIAN- 0
EAST_ASIAN- 0
SIBERIAN- 0
JTest
EAST_MED 27.09%
WEST_MED 17.64%
WEST_ASIAN 13.02%
MIDDLE_EASTERN 12.97%
ATLANTIC 12.12%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 7.30%
ASHKENAZI 5.99%
SOUTH_BALTIC 2.67%
WEST_AFRICAN 1.01%
EAST_AFRICAN 0.20%
EAST_EURO - 0
SOUTH_ASIAN- 0
EAST_ASIAN- 0
SIBERIAN- 0
When you go to the Ad-Mix page where you're selecting which calculator you want to use, make sure you check the box that says "Admixture Proportions (with link to Oracle)"Quote:
Originally Posted by Sicilianu101
http://oi45.tinypic.com/2v8mwpz.jpg
Then, after the calculator runs your pie chart results, scroll to the bottom of the page, and click on the button that says "Oracle"
http://oi49.tinypic.com/2ecztq0.jpg
Thanks, I had wanted to ask you about it when it was first posted, but I didn't want to bother you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quasimodem
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Jtest now has 2D and 3D maps options alongside oracle via gedmatch for those interested!
Sort of difficult to make anything from it, fun though. (3,4)(4,3)
http://imageshack.us/a/img560/6198/graphi.jpghttp://imageshack.us/a/img854/1267/graph2w.jpg
Difficult to tell whats going on. And only one or two of the settings seem to make any sense - I'll need to check on interpretome what is the best setting to use.
Hmm PC1 and PC2 don't make sense - The Portuguese are right next to the Serbians. This isn't very useful at the moment unfortunately.
Try (3,4)(4,3) like I have.
All my family appear in the same place as far as i can tell, but i'll post them anyway. On the (4,3) we all end up close to the Kurdish, Georgians, Romanians, Serbians. *shrug*
Me (3,4):
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/u...Sam2DPCA34.jpg
Me (4,3):
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/u...Sam2DPCA43.jpg
Father (3,4):
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/u...ham2DPCA34.jpg
Father (4,3):
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/u...ham2DPCA43.jpg
Mother (3,4):
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/u...ine2DPCA34.jpg
Mother (4,3):
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/u...ine2DPCA43.jpg
for me the best 3D was 1,2,3. The best 2D was 1, 2.
Here's my phased data files for paternal and maternal sides, EUtest & Oracle:
Paternal Phased Data File:
1 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 31.15
2 ATLANTIC 24.12
3 SOUTH_BALTIC 12.96
4 WEST_MED 12.4
5 EAST_EURO 10.87
6 MIDDLE_EASTERN 4.19
7 WEST_ASIAN 3.08
8 EAST_MED 1.06
9 EAST_ASIAN 0.15
10 WEST_AFRICAN 0.01
1 English 5.49
2 NL 5.83
3 DK 5.88
4 West_&_Central_German 6.88
5 NO 7
6 Cornish 7.38
7 Orcadian 7.46
8 South_&_Central_Swedish 7.75
9 IE 8.14
10 Scottish 9.45
1) 93.2% DK + 6.8% Mozabite_Berber @ 4.59
2) 92.3% DK + 7.7% Moroccan @ 4.7
3) 77.7% NO + 22.3% PT @ 4.72
4) 95.1% English + 4.9% Mozabite_Berber @ 4.84
5) 79% NO + 21% ES @ 4.9
6) 93.4% DK + 6.6% Algerian @ 4.93
7) 85.1% DK + 14.9% PT @ 4.96
8) 89.5% NO + 10.5% Moroccan @ 4.97
9) 94.2% DK + 5.8% Sardinian @ 5.01
10) 69.8% NO + 30.2% FR @ 5.03
This is interesting because it picks up on something i had thought some time earlier...The nature of my Dad apparently having the Middle-eastern genes in my family, but below average East Med/Near Eastern led me initially to believe there might be some distant North African ancestry somewhere on his side, which seems possible. It could just be that he takes after the side of the family that doesn't have this ancestry (his mother), as he definitely does take after her both physically and mentally. But i think it couldn't be more than 6%. Only sure way to know is to test his parents and his sister, but it throws an interesting perspective anyway. His 'base' comes out even more Anglian in this as well, which is interesting too although less important.
Maternal Phased Data File:
1 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 24.76
2 ATLANTIC 23.58
3 SOUTH_BALTIC 15.3
4 WEST_MED 10.59
5 EAST_EURO 9.31
6 WEST_ASIAN 9.11
7 EAST_MED 6.93
8 WEST_AFRICAN 0.38
9 EAST_AFRICAN 0.03
1 West_&_Central_German 5.18
2 NL 6.43
3 AT 7.69
4 English 7.9
5 Cornish 8.44
6 Orcadian 8.77
7 IE 9.43
8 DK 9.98
9 Scottish 10.46
10 South_&_Central_Swedish 10.57
1 91.9% West_&_Central_German + 8.1% GE @ 2.84
2 89.8% NL + 10.2% GE @ 3.16
3 91% West_&_Central_German + 9% Lezgin @ 3.33
4 92.5% West_&_Central_German + 7.5% Armenian @ 3.58
5 91.4% West_&_Central_German + 8.6% TR @ 3.64
6 88.5% NL + 11.5% Lezgin @ 3.76
7 89.9% NL + 10.1% Armenian @ 3.85
8 92.8% West_&_Central_German + 7.2% Kurdish @ 3.87
9 88.5% NL + 11.5% TR @ 3.89
10 92.8% West_&_Central_German + 7.2% IR @ 3.93
This is spot on compared with her others (even as a phased profile), and picks up clearly on the Georgian. Her high South Baltic is again quite interesting. I'm thinking there is two possibilities for this:
1) She has a very southern British base (closeness to Dutch, Germans, Cornish, Austrians but not to Scottish, Danish, Norwegians or Swedes) plus maybe 6-12% Georgian/Caucasian ancestry.
2) She has a central 'average' or central-western British base with a bit of German, French(?) (or Austrian(?) (relative finder)) ancestry as well as 6% or so Georgian ancestry.
A southern British base with a pull to the west (Wales, Scotland) would make sense genaeologically.
In any case my family don't seem to be average joes, and i think i'll have to start investigating this even more soon. :)
Hats off to Polako/David for making an extremely useful tool.
Interestingly here is my Paternal Phased file for Eurogenes K=12:
South Asian 0.39%
Caucasus 1.72%
Southwest Asian 3.11%
North Amerindian + Arctic 0.48%
Siberian -
Mediterranean 14.45%
East Asian 0.13%
West African 0.37%
Volga-Ural 6.30%
South Baltic 11.77%
Western European 26.81%
North Sea 34.47%
Caucasus is even further below average, and small amounts of African show up even more clearly. And of course there's the Mediterranean and South-west Asian again (both of which are very high in North Africans looking at the maps on the Eurogenes blog page for K=12)
Might be on to something.
I'll stop posting so much now, just thought it might be interesting to share.
My JTest and EUtest PCA's:
http://img22.imageshack.us/edit_prev...&action=rotate
http://img211.imageshack.us/edit_pre...&action=rotate
Eurogenes Jtest:
SOUTH_BALTIC 11.43%
EAST_EURO 11.11%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 29.34%
ATLANTIC 25.04%
WEST_MED 10.84%
ASHKENAZI 4.49%
EAST_MED 2.79%
WEST_ASIAN 3.90%
MIDDLE_EASTERN -
SOUTH_ASIAN 0.44%
EAST_AFRICAN 0.30%
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN -
WEST_AFRICAN 0.32%
and EUTest:
SOUTH_BALTIC 11.49%
EAST_EURO 11.41%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 29.66%
ATLANTIC 25.68%
WEST_MED 11.48%
EAST_MED 4.40%
WEST_ASIAN 4.65%
MIDDLE_EASTERN -
SOUTH_ASIAN 0.50%
EAST_AFRICAN 0.43%
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN -
WEST_AFRICAN 0.30%
Finally got around to re-uploading to Gedmatch. My EUtest results:
Admix:
Spoiler!
Oracle:
Spoiler!
4 Ancestors Oracle
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Does it make sense for your ancestry? (Was it British Isles + German with a tiny bit of Portuguese?)Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreldriver
Ye're about right with regards to my ancestry. I'm a bit over 3/4ths derived from the British Isles, the remainder is German with a wee bit of Portuguese (Ancestry Finder & Relative Finder seem to think some distant Russian in there too but those matches in Russia&Ukraine have German surnames on their profile so it's probably a common link via Germany).Quote:
Originally Posted by Jackson
As for the results makin' sense, I think its a fair approximation given that I've got a primary pull from the NW of Europe (via the UK) with the German pullin' me a bit east and the minor Portuguese pulling me a bit South. It doesn't help my case that my British Isle's background, though over 75% of my ancestral stock, is very diverse ranging from Yorkshire to as far Southwest as Somerset, then Ulster & Isle of Man, and South Wales. I'd think the results would be more stable if that portion of my background was from one region of the UK instead of little bits from all over the UK.
Got my results back for my Dad's parent's and my Mum's sister. Very interesting. Think i could have a dash of Italian on my Mum's side but probably nothing foreign (at least in recent years) on my Dad's side.
My mother's sister - It's surprising as her caucasus is within normal levels, maybe slightly on the high side, while my mother's is very high. Although it would make sense that my mother takes more after that ancestry, looking at them - Her sister is much fairer. I'll use EUtest as it gives a good overall view.
This is quite ironic, because it was always my Grandfather who was joked about having foreign ancestry, but he seems the most typical Englishman. xD He'll find that funny, if he can hear what we're saying that is =/. That Siberian also shows up more significantly on other calculators, so it might be pointing (along with the other components) at some Norwegian ancestry, although ancient or recent i don't know. Shows up at 0.26% in the K=12, which is not much - but it's always there. His mt-DNA turned out to be H1 - Fairly boring but i will run it through the mt-hap tool by James Lick later to see if more can be gleaned.
Edit: My grandfather's mt-DNA appears to be a group one mutation downstream of H1b4, i'll look up more about it in a minute, but 23&me says it is most common in Eastern Europe and the Baltic, interesting.
My Grandmother's makes sense too - She is half Cheshire half London in ancestry, so a slight western pull makes sense, although in other calculators as well she comes out North-Sea heavy still, so perhaps not a bastion of Celtic-ness =S. That French Basque being significantly closer than the others is interesting, although i don't know how likely that is, probably not very.
I'll make some more phased files for my Dad's side of the family later. Will make things even more complicated :D.
Aunt:
1) NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 28.5
2) ATLANTIC 23.54
3) SOUTH_BALTIC 15.68
4) WEST_MED 13.2
5) EAST_EURO 8.73
6) EAST_MED 4.99
7) WEST_ASIAN 4.51
8) SOUTH_ASIAN 0.86
1) NL 3.98
2) West_&_Central_German 4.08
3) English 5.01
4) Cornish 6.63
5) DK 7.45
6) Orcadian 7.68
7) NO 8.42
8) South_&_Central_Swedish 8.47
9) IE 8.61
10) AT 9.59
11) Scottish 9.82
12) FR 9.82
1) 80.5% English + 19.5% HU @ 3.63
2) 92.3% NL + 7.7% North_Italian @ 3.64
3) 54.4% South_&_Central_Swedish + 45.6% FR @ 3.66
4) 96.9% NL + 3.1% Sardinian @ 3.66
5) 94% NL + 6% Tuscan @ 3.68
6) 96.6% West_&_Central_German + 3.4% Sardinian @ 3.71
7) 72.6% English + 27.4% AT @ 3.74
8) 87% NL + 13% FR @ 3.74
9) 92.8% NL + 7.2% PT @ 3.77
10) 96.6% NL + 3.4% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 3.8
Paternal Grandfather:
1) NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 29.59
2) ATLANTIC 26.77
3) SOUTH_BALTIC 14.42
4) EAST_EURO 11.13
5) WEST_MED 10.5
6) WEST_ASIAN 4.16
7) EAST_MED 2.99
8) SOUTH_ASIAN 0.31
9) MIDDLE_EASTERN 0.08
10) SIBERIAN 0.06
1) English 2.29
2) NL 2.71
3) Orcadian 3.63
4) DK 3.87
5) West_&_Central_German 3.96
6) Cornish 4.41
7) IE 4.84
8) NO 5.23
9) Scottish 5.82
10) South_&_Central_Swedish 5.92
1) 75.1% English + 24.9% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 1.25
2) 93.1% English + 6.9% EE @ 1.42
3) 94.3% English + 5.7% LIT @ 1.44
4) 74.1% English + 25.9% NO @ 1.47
5) 94.6% English + 5.4% Northwest_Russian @ 1.63
6) 94.1% English + 5.9% Belorussian @ 1.64
7) 86.5% English + 13.5% North_Swedish @ 1.64
8) 93.4% English + 6.6% PL @ 1.71
9) 92.7% English + 7.3% South_Finnish @ 1.72
10) 94.1% English + 5.9% West_Russian @ 1.73
Paternal Grandmother:
1) NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 29.59
2) ATLANTIC 28.68
3) WEST_MED 12.91
4) SOUTH_BALTIC 11.48
5) EAST_EURO 10.45
6) EAST_MED 4.25
7) WEST_ASIAN 2.3
8) WEST_AFRICAN 0.2
9) SOUTH_ASIAN 0.12
10) EAST_ASIAN 0.03
1) English 2.57
2) Cornish 3.17
3) NL 4.57
4) Orcadian 4.93
5) IE 5.45
6) West_&_Central_German 6.02
7) DK 6.02
8) Scottish 6.3
9) NO 8.47
10) South_&_Central_Swedish 9.54
1) 91.3% English + 8.7% French_Basque @ 1.47
2) 92.9% English + 7.1% ES @ 2.21
3) 63.4% English + 36.6% Cornish @ 2.21
4) 97.7% English + 2.3% Sardinian @ 2.31
5) 89.9% English + 10.1% FR @ 2.33
6) 94.4% English + 5.6% PT @ 2.36
7) 93.2% English + 6.8% Scottish @ 2.53
8) 99.1% English + 0.9% Moroccan @ 2.53
9) 94.6% English + 5.4% IE @ 2.55
10) 99.5% English + 0.5% Mozabite_Berber @ 2.55
Hmm, Grandfather's Siberian goes up to almost 1% in a couple of tests.
Eurogenes K12b, :eek:
Western European 44.67%
Siberian 0.98% :cool:
East African 0.17%
West Central Asian 3.80%
South Asian 0.21%
West African -
Caucasus 4.23%
Finnish 5.17%
Mediterranean 13.61%
Southwest Asian 0.55%
North European 26.60%
East Asian -
Lol, maybe noise, but interesting nonetheless...
Will they show up with the rest of your family on my share list?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jackson
Always like to use compare genes with everyone.