Indigenous Balkan I2a1 in southern Albania

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Originally Posted by Xhak Bauër

Same map catgeorge linked, he cropped off the other ethnicities in the picture

Peaks in South Slavs:

https://www.researchgate.net/profile...e-examined.png

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Thats what he gets when he thinks he is smarter then J2brother

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Originally Posted by catgeorge

There is no evidence of I2a-Din in Greece

It should have come through at least once on Battaglias studies

https://i.imgsafe.org/b64e9c9be1.jpg

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There is evidence of it in Greece, I have a whole crop of 4th cousins on 23andme from Sparta who are are I2a Dinaric. It shows up as varying frequencies around Greece. The only thing that would keep it from showing up in Greece is lack of official testing. How many legitimate (and illegetimate) descendants of Stefan Dusan's nobles in Thessaly you think? Not to mention parts of Northern Greece was under the Bulgarians for what.. total of 400 years or something? Doesn't even include the 300 years of blackness following the crossing of the Danube by Avars.

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Originally Posted by Scholarios Chiotis

There is evidence of it in Greece, I have a whole crop of 4th cousins on 23andme from Sparta who are are I2a Dinaric. It shows up as varying frequencies around Greece. The only thing that would keep it from showing up in Greece is lack of official testing. How many legitimate (and illegetimate) descendants of Stefan Dusan's nobles in Thessaly you think? Not to mention parts of Northern Greece was under the Bulgarians for what.. total of 400 years or something? Doesn't even include the 300 years of blackness following the crossing of the Danube by Avars.

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agree

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Originally Posted by Scholarios Chiotis

There is evidence of it in Greece, I have a whole crop of 4th cousins on 23andme from Sparta who are are I2a Dinaric. It shows up as varying frequencies around Greece. The only thing that would keep it from showing up in Greece is lack of official testing. How many legitimate (and illegetimate) descendants of Stefan Dusan's nobles in Thessaly you think? Not to mention parts of Northern Greece was under the Bulgarians for what.. total of 400 years or something? Doesn't even include the 300 years of blackness following the crossing of the Danube by Avars.

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Seems like you are one of the few Greeks here that can discuss this in a logical manner without problems. I respect that.

I don't doubt external influence in Albanians, just that we come from a smaller sample of ancient populations, was more isolated.

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Originally Posted by Xhak Bauër

I2a1* is the I2a1b-Din, bluepilled retardo. Shooting yourself in the foot again.

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It should be illegal to be as thick headed as you - all the head space you have and potential brain capacity usage I find it difficult to believe you use a nano 0.1% of it

I highlighted it for you so you wont get confused

https://i.imgsafe.org/b684c1fd5f.png

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Originally Posted by catgeorge

It should be illegal to be as thick headed as you - all the head space you have and potential brain capacity usage I find it difficult to believe you use a nano 0.1% of it

I highlighted it for you so you wont get confused

https://i.imgsafe.org/b684c1fd5f.png

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Hahahaha you just tried to make the ancestral clade "Greek" through paint, while the only relevant has been found there to be I2a1b-Din. :D

Your posts branched off into Raine levels of comedy awhile ago.

Find a new hobby.


I2a1b-Din is the only I2 clade in Greece, rest is as irrelevant as Gypsy y-dna H1, also J1 and G:

https://www.researchgate.net/profile...e-examined.png

The only thickheaded retard here is you.

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Originally Posted by ilir

I am happy you are enjoying it guys.

By the way when you do it alone i know it's called "intellectual masturbation" but when you are a couple what can it be the proper definition??

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Apparently, you feel like you are being raped. This is just discussion though.

Na zdravie, Brat!

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Originally Posted by Xhak Bauër

Hahahaha you just tried to make the ancestral clade "Greek" through paint, while the only relevant has been found there to be I2a1b-Din. :D



The only thickheaded retard here is you.

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Not entirely convinced - Dalmatia has the highest I2a1 (55%) in the world where Republic of Ragusa was loosely Slavonic (Italian was the official language until 1808)

The Ragusan archives document, Speculum Maioris Consilii Rectores, lists all the persons that were involved in the Republic's government between September 1440 to January 1808. There were 4397 rectors elected; 2764 (63%) were from "old patrician" families: Gozze, Bona, Caboga, Cerva, Ghetaldi, Giorgi, Gradi, Pozza, Saraca, Sorgo, and Zamanya.

in the 17th century, 50% of the dukes and senators were from the following families: Bona, Gondola, Gozze, Menze, Sorgo.
in the 18th century, 56% of senators were from these families: Sorgo, Gozze, Zananya, Caboga, Giorgi.
in the last eight years of the Republic, 50% of dukes were from the Sorgo, Gozze, Gradi, Bona, or Ragnina families.

So how could Dalmatia have the highest frequency of I2a1 with the highest frequency of Latinic input?

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Originally Posted by catgeorge

Not entirely convinced - Dalmatia has the highest I2a1 (55%) in the world where Republic of Ragusa was loosely Slavonic (Italian was the official language until 1808)

The Ragusan archives document, Speculum Maioris Consilii Rectores, lists all the persons that were involved in the Republic's government between September 1440 to January 1808. There were 4397 rectors elected; 2764 (63%) were from "old patrician" families: Gozze, Bona, Caboga, Cerva, Ghetaldi, Giorgi, Gradi, Pozza, Saraca, Sorgo, and Zamanya.

in the 17th century, 50% of the dukes and senators were from the following families: Bona, Gondola, Gozze, Menze, Sorgo.
in the 18th century, 56% of senators were from these families: Sorgo, Gozze, Zananya, Caboga, Giorgi.
in the last eight years of the Republic, 50% of dukes were from the Sorgo, Gozze, Gradi, Bona, or Ragnina families.

So how could Dalmatia have the highest frequency of I2a1 with the highest frequency of Latinic input?

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Hercegovina has 70% I2a1b, then Muslim Bosnjaks go, and then maybe Dalmatia but i doubt that it las 55% as you say, i would say maybe little less..

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Originally Posted by catgeorge

Obviously you have a few loose screws in your head reflects some butthurtness.

Like saying you come from Nordics and Varangians projecting to Scandinavia - little insecure people. As if no one has seen you other than photos spammed all over the internet.

Well plenty of skeletons found in Sesklo and Franchthi

https://static-content.springer.com/..._Fig2_HTML.jpg

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:picard2:
Are you serious? Those are not ancient samples, rather from living humans collected from those sites.

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Originally Posted by catgeorge

It should be illegal to be as thick headed as you - all the head space you have and potential brain capacity usage I find it difficult to believe you use a nano 0.1% of it

I highlighted it for you so you wont get confused

https://i.imgsafe.org/b684c1fd5f.png

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Hahahahaha. It's like me claiming, hey I am J2-M172 and my clade is 27800 years old (without revealing that further dowsntream I'm also M172>M102>M241>L283>etc...)