Moldovan/Romanian GEDmatch Resuts

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

It seems to translate, because I score 43.5% EEuro and 29% Baltic. Why should I believe that those Serbs with 10-20% EEuro should score 30% on average?
Unless someone can show me that the majority of Serbs score between 40-50% East Euro on 23andme, then I would obviously not have any counterarguments.

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I live in Serbia and I am almost 34% Baltic.
And my phenotype is like average Serb.

https://i.imgur.com/spcWrAS.jpg

Still dont believe that average Baltic for Serbs is 30%?

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

10-20% EEuro should score 30% on average?

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they do. 23andme exagurates your main admixture and decreases your minor ones.
it's because of this:
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...cestry-results

this is the same person on 23andme and k13:

Southern European
81.0%
Eastern European
15.1%
Northwestern European
0.4%
Broadly European
3.3%

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 28.63
2 North_Atlantic 25.09
3 East_Med 16.52
4 West_Med 16.48
5 West_Asian 9.3
6 South_Asian 2.65
7 Red_Sea 1.05
8 Oceanian 0.2
9 Northeast_African 0.08
10 East_Asian 0.01

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

Stop trolling Moldavians ustaša woman! CS posted his result on South Slavic & neighbours as Serbian result, and I got his kit as Serb kit. He is not different than Lika Serb and East Bosnia Serbian woman with 35% Baltic posted by you.

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I posted it as well, but I tought he is a Croat. Unlike you, Commonsense is a decent poster and I trust everything he posts.

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Originally Posted by Dušan

I live in Serbia and I am almost 34% Baltic.
And my phenotype is like average Serb.

https://i.imgur.com/spcWrAS.jpg

Still dont believe that average Baltic for Serbs is 30%?

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Nope, I actually googled and Krajina sits at the border with Croatia and also very close to the Hungarian admixed Vojvodina. We also have mixed Moldovans with 40% Baltic and they are not average. The same can be said about those with 22%.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Nope, I actually googled and Krajina sits at the border with Croatia and also very close to the Hungarian admixed Vojvodina. We also have mixed Moldovans with 40% Baltic and they are not average. The same can be said about those with 22%.

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So? We didn't mixed with them, we have lived in our homogeneous villages, separated from them. There was always deep despise and hate between Croats and Serbs for generations.
I don't have hardly any Croatian matches in Gedmatch. In fact, I have even few Albanians, but Croats less than that.

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Originally Posted by Dušan

So? We didn't mixed with them, we have lived in our homogeneous villages, separated from them. There was always deep despise and hate between Croats and Serbs for generations.
I don't have hardly any Croatian matches in Gedmatch. In fact, I have even few Albanians, but Croats less than that.

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I don't know. I don't question your ethnic determination, but it's interesting because I cluster with Croats, Bosnians and some Slovenes everywhere from 23andme to MyHeritage, Davidski's Global 25 sheet, and old Eurogenes samples.
I'm usually quite far from Serbs, who cluster with non-Moldavian Romanians, but with amateurishly collected samples, it seems that Serbs have suddenly become Croatian-like. Kind of makes one wonder what's happening.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

I don't know. I don't question your ethnic determination, but it's interesting because I cluster with Croats, Bosnians and some Slovenes everywhere from 23andme to MyHeritage, Davidski's Global 25 sheet, and old Eurogenes samples.
I'm usually quite far from Serbs, who cluster with non-Moldavian Romanians, but with amateurishly collected samples, it seems that Serbs have suddenly become Croatian-like. Kind of makes one wonder what's happening.

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the Serbian in Eurogenes k13 and k15 was probably just one person's result, and not an average. global 25 also has only 5 Serbs who aren't very representative.

what do you get in 23andme and my heritage?

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

I don't know. I don't question your ethnic determination, but it's interesting because I cluster with Croats, Bosnians and some Slovenes everywhere from 23andme to MyHeritage, Davidski's Global 25 sheet, and old Eurogenes samples.
I'm usually quite far from Serbs, who cluster with non-Moldavian Romanians, but with amateurishly collected samples, it seems that Serbs have suddenly become Croatian-like. Kind of makes one wonder what's happening.

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There is nothing "Croatian-like" in Serbian results.

You dont need to believe what is Serbian average, I don't care.
I know that I am with my results closer to Serbian than to Croatian population.

^^^^Ion, I think uncomfortable truth is dinaric Slavs are very similar people, apart from Montenegrins who have stronger Albanian influence observable in their YDNA and autosomal.
I really want no similarity with Serbs, but it's quite obvious from tons of shared surnames and matching those aren't pretty different.

I would say NW Croats and SE Serbs form clusters on their own, former being west-slavic like and later being east balkan like, but others are quite similar including Bosniaks who descend from both.

Here is South Croat average I composed out of academic Split Croats, Morlach and Slavic cluster.

South_Croat_average,25.97,31.99,16.29,7.83,13.15,1 .91,0.47,0.26,0.66,0.58,0.46,0.12,0.19

Distance to: South_Croat_average

0.89679290 Serbian_Bosnia
0.92903175 Croat_Split
2.46288909 Bosnian
2.56700214 Croatian_new
2.92249893 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
3.10478663 South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster
3.11250402 Croat_Bosnia
3.17259221 Serbian_new
3.26658843 Serb_Croatia
3.91149588 South_Croat_Slavic_Cluster

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

the Serbian in Eurogenes k13 and k15 was probably just one person's result, and not an average. global 25 also has only 5 Serbs who aren't very representative.

what do you get in 23andme and my heritage?

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I wonder about Serb samples used in academic papers, not speaking about gedmatch, those are really very different from Croats and even Bosniaks and much more Balkan.
examples

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4141785/
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0135820