Dodecad k12b south, west and central asian results

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Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

No unfortunately.

There was one supposed result but it looked more like Persian + Arab than anything else.

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Yes i saw that result, but i dont believe it was half qashqai. I think they are at least east asian like azerbaijanis. Maybe a bit more.

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Originally Posted by Gecko

Yes i saw that result, but i dont believe it was half qashqai. I think they are at least east asian like azerbaijanis. Maybe a bit more.

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It could be Qashqai although im not sure too. They have different tribes incorporated in their confederation. To be honest I think they are less turkic than Azerbaijanis, since it's documented that they are of various origins, which can't be said for some of the other turkic/azeri tribes in Iran (Afshar, Bayat, Shamlu etc..). With Azerbaijanis I would guess that rural tribes who kept semi-nomadic lifestyle longer are more turkic than Azerbaijanis from cities.

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Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

It could be Qashqai although im not sure too. They have different tribes incorporated in their confederation. To be honest I think they are less turkic than Azerbaijanis, since it's documented that they are of various origins, which can't be said for some of the other turkic/azeri tribes in Iran (Afshar, Bayat, Shamlu etc..). With Azerbaijanis I would guess that rural tribes who kept semi-nomadic lifestyle longer are more turkic than Azerbaijanis from cities.

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I heard about their differetnt origins. But also i read that many oghuz tribes were the base of emergence of qashqais. But we definitely need genetic results. Sone if them looked very iranid, more than iranians themselves, but other could be eastern shifted.

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Originally Posted by Gecko

I heard about their differetnt origins. But also i read that many oghuz tribes were the base of emergence of qashqais. But we definitely need genetic results. Sone if them looked very iranid, more than iranians themselves, but other could be eastern shifted.

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Oghuz are the source of most tribes and families in Iranian Azerbaijan. I don't see a reason why Qashqai would be more Turkic, especially since most of the Oghuz settlements were in Northwest.

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Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

Oghuz are the source of most tribes and families in Iranian Azerbaijan. I don't see a reason why Qashqai would be more Turkic, especially since most of the Oghuz settlements were in Northwest.

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I said maybe a little bit more than the average, maybe i dont know. I saw here results of an azerbaijani with 20% euarsian, in another forum i saw someones grandparent had 30%. There are many others in azerbaijan and iranian azerbaijan who definitely score more than15% east asian, also i think you will find in eastern turkey places where people score more than 10%, at places where you wouldnt expect. I always wonder why azerbaijanis score low eastasian, maybe many intermarriage and assimilation of some caucasians in northern republic.

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Originally Posted by Gecko

I said maybe a little bit more than the average, maybe i dont know. I saw here results of an azerbaijani with 20% euarsian, in another forum i saw someones grandparent had 30%. There are many others in azerbaijan and iranian azerbaijan who definitely score more than15% east asian, also i think you will find in eastern turkey places where people score more than 10%, at places where you wouldnt expect. I always wonder why azerbaijanis score low eastasian, maybe many intermarriage and assimilation of some caucasians in northern republic.

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Qashqai's were originally from Ardabil but then Shah Ismail relocated them to Fars in order to defend the southern part of the country. They were more East-asian shifted before compared to now due to mixing with Persians.

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Originally Posted by Babak

Qashqai's were originally from Ardabil but then Shah Ismail relocated them to Fars in order to defend the southern part of the country. They were more East-asian shifted before compared to now due to mixing with Persians.

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Any proofs about genetic makeup? Qashqais have the same origins as azerbaijanis but they just kept their original livestyle.because of that i thought they were more isolated. Btw do we have results of safewid era or of ak/karakoyunlu? I ask because it could be interesting, we already have ottoman results and its nice to see how they were.

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Originally Posted by Gecko

Any proofs about genetic makeup? Qashqais have the same origins as azerbaijanis but they just kept their original livestyle.because of that i thought they were more isolated. Btw do we have results of safewid era or of ak/karakoyunlu? I ask because it could be interesting, we already have ottoman results and its nice to see how they were.

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Unfortunately we don't have.

Oh its sad

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Originally Posted by Gecko

Oh its sad

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Maybe in the future who knows