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03-31-2021, 11:05 PM
Erronkari

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spaniard 2.0

Te pegas unos currazos... Parece q erronkari está activo, a ver si ve este hilo

Aquí reportándome!!! :D
Pido disculpas por la demora.
En ambos modelos pareciera que Navarra me queda relativamente "cerca", a pesar de eso por ahi se cuela un poco el norte de Aragón y también La Rioja. Un poquito de Cantabria por último. ;)

Distance to: MrWog_scaled
0.04047683 Spanish_Aragon_North
0.04081356 Spanish_Navarra2
0.04093712 Spanish_Cantabria2
0.04109134 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.04140248 Basque_Spanish_Navarra_Central-West
0.04180829 French_Pyrenees-Atlantiques_Bearn
0.04211065 Spanish_Cantabria
0.04258421 Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_Burgos_North
0.04384811 French_Hautes-Pyrenees_Bigorre
0.04385015 Spanish_Biscay_West
0.04396731 French_Landes_Chalosse
0.04399089 Spanish_Aragon2
0.04403755 Spanish_La_Rioja2
0.04448663 Basque_Spanish_Gipuzkoa_Central
0.04551016 Basque_Spanish_Gipuzkoa_Southwest
0.04764600 Basque_Spanish_Navarra_Roncal
0.04781684 Basque_Spanish_Navarra_Northwest
0.04791591 Spanish_Andalucia
0.04838098 Basque_French_Lower_Navarre
0.04876557 Basque_Spanish_Biscay
0.04882305 Basque_Spanish
0.05013816 Basque_Spanish_Alava
0.05114665 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon2
0.05376524 Basque_French_Soule
0.05377868 Basque_French

Target: MrWog_scaled
Distance: 0.0386% / 0.03855794
30.3 Spanish_La_Rioja2
30.3 Spanish_Navarra2
16.0 Basque_Spanish_Navarra_Central-West
14.5 Spanish_Cantabria2
8.9 French_Pyrenees-Atlantiques_Bearn
03-31-2021, 11:29 PM
gixajo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Erronkari

Aquí reportándome!!! :D
Pido disculpas por la demora.
En ambos modelos pareciera que Navarra me queda relativamente "cerca", a pesar de eso por ahi se cuela un poco el norte de Aragón y también La Rioja. Un poquito de Cantabria por último. ;)

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No están mal, sales bastante navarro.

Digamos que todas las referencias o son vascas, o son pseudo-vascas de zonas vecinas, así que puedes puntuar en cualquiera de ellas.
03-31-2021, 11:58 PM
Erronkari

Quote:

Originally Posted by gixajo

No están mal, sales bastante navarro.

Digamos que todas las referencias o son vascas, o son pseudo-vascas de zonas vecinas, así que puedes puntuar en cualquiera de ellas.

Estaba pensando que también es posible que la otra parte, la de Luzaide/Valcarlos me aleje un poquito del Valle del Roncal/Erronkari, porque a pesar de estar ambos casi sobre el Pirineo, el primero está en el extremo oriental casi pegando con Aragón, en cambio Luzaide se encuentra muy al Poniente, en el extremo opuesto.
Por lo visto saqué muy poco de vasco-francés aunque tiene sentido, ya que aunque hay una parte que viene de Mont de Marsan, los apellidos que vienen de ese lado, Foix y Cazenave no parecen muy vascones que digamos jeje.
Si bien los apellidos no siempre dicen mucho... vaya uno a saber.
Por cierto, hay un apellido que es Orzaocoa y no puedo vislumbrar de donde es que viene... tal vez sea la deformación de otro pero saber...
04-01-2021, 06:07 AM
Defcon2

A mi no me son muy útiles pero bueno:

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 2.8900% / 0.02890009
74.6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon2
25.4 Spanish_Andalucia
04-04-2021, 10:43 PM
gixajo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Erronkari

Estaba pensando que también es posible que la otra parte, la de Luzaide/Valcarlos me aleje un poquito del Valle del Roncal/Erronkari, porque a pesar de estar ambos casi sobre el Pirineo, el primero está en el extremo oriental casi pegando con Aragón, en cambio Luzaide se encuentra muy al Poniente, en el extremo opuesto.
Por lo visto saqué muy poco de vasco-francés aunque tiene sentido, ya que aunque hay una parte que viene de Mont de Marsan, los apellidos que vienen de ese lado, Foix y Cazenave no parecen muy vascones que digamos jeje.
Si bien los apellidos no siempre dicen mucho... vaya uno a saber.
Por cierto, hay un apellido que es Orzaocoa y no puedo vislumbrar de donde es que viene... tal vez sea la deformación de otro pero saber...

He hecho unos proxies provinciales de las tres provincias vascas, y estoy pensando hacer lo mismo con Navarra (un proxie provincial realista), por ahora posteo los proxies provinciales de las provincias vascas.
04-04-2021, 10:44 PM
gixajo

Y como es una gozada hacer medias cuando no hay espacios en blanco entre sus coordenadas(...), he hecho tres proxies provinciales del País Vasco para jugar con las nuevas muestras para mis padres y para mí y me he hecho un modelito chachi piruli que mola cantidubi.

Los proxies serían estos:

Code:

Vizcaya,0.12524,0.14984,0.05337,0.01024,0.05277,0.00356,-0.00141,0.00227,0.02664,0.03842,-0.00652,0.01280,-0.02194,-0.01686,0.01310,0.00110,-0.00523,0.00231,-0.00100,-0.00199,0.00858,0.00060,-0.00622,-0.00647,0.00089 Álava,0.125599,0.148101,0.054389,0.008932,0.051660,0.000464,-0.001513,0.002484,0.024714,0.037927,-0.006911,0.009125,-0.020534,-0.013806,0.013660,0.000570,-0.006648,-0.000023,-0.001547,-0.003925,0.008386,0.001300,-0.004499,-0.004182,-0.000612 Guipúzcoa,0.131103,0.148914,0.055917,0.011731,0.055885,0.001585,-0.003183,0.000608,0.028327,0.041923,-0.005661,0.011322,-0.021495,-0.018629,0.015626,0.005406,-0.002857,0.001969,-0.001245,-0.003161,0.007929,0.000551,-0.010437,-0.010166,0.001660

Vizcaya=WestBiscay+BasqueBiscay
Álava=NorthBurgos+BasqueAlava
Guipúzcoa=Gipuzkoacentral+SoutWestGipuzkoa

Y el modelito es evidente cual iba a ser:

Spoiler!

Code:

Álava,0.125599,0.148101,0.054389,0.008932,0.051660,0.000464,-0.001513,0.002484,0.024714,0.037927,-0.006911,0.009125,-0.020534,-0.013806,0.013660,0.000570,-0.006648,-0.000023,-0.001547,-0.003925,0.008386,0.001300,-0.004499,-0.004182,-0.000612 Andalucia,0.1081318,0.1460759,0.0357074,-0.003434,0.0452553,-0.0058567,-0.0019295,0.0026598,0.0247151,0.0311624,-0.0021538,0.0072724,-0.0132072,-0.0114083,0.0102433,-0.0024984,-0.0061762,-0.0011002,-0.0042604,-0.0021325,0.0029291,-0.0013016,-0.0019719,-0.0053334,0.0018844

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.7110% / 0.01711049
52.4 Andalucia
47.6 Álava

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.0781% / 0.02078053
98.0 Andalucia
2.0 Álava

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 2.0299% / 0.02029856
74.0 Álava
26.0 Andalucia

No está tan mal...
04-04-2021, 10:45 PM
gixajo

https://i.imgur.com/6cucyzQ.png

Target: Vizcaya:
Distance: 3.3992% / 0.03399212
55.0 Early_European_Farmer
27.2 Steppe_Pastoralist
17.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer

Target: Álava
Distance: 3.2797% / 0.03279686
55.0 Early_European_Farmer
28.2 Steppe_Pastoralist
16.6 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
0.2 Iberomaurusian

Target: Guipúzcoa
Distance: 3.6815% / 0.03681480
55.2 Early_European_Farmer
26.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
18.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer

Hecho con estas sources del datasheet oficial (el modelo para probar los proxies, no los proxies):

Spoiler!

Code:

Castilla_Y_Leon,0.1077523,0.1438667,0.0404773,-0.0021533,0.0438027,0.0018593,-0.0017233,0.004615,0.0284287,0.0292183,-0.0023277,0.007843,-0.012091,-0.012019,0.01226,-0.006541,-0.0067797,-0.0017313,-0.004525,-0.0022927,0.000291,-0.0009067,0.0013147,-0.0025703,-0.002754 Basque:_French,0.128051,0.1520246,0.0551727,0.0128231,0.0564104,0.0025099,-0.00141,0.0033229,0.0305968,0.0412036,-0.0092724,0.0103408,-0.0209761,-0.0140237,0.0132192,-0.0019359,-0.0119173,0.0030278,-0.0007165,-0.0044144,0.010157,0.0024855,-0.0086397,-0.0091698,7.18e-05 Basque:_Spanish,0.1319083,0.1504111,0.0582862,0.0090081,0.0575834,0.0001239,-0.0033162,0.0004102,0.0313603,0.0455997,-0.0045288,0.0116063,-0.0227781,-0.0187627,0.0179452,0.0037271,-0.0058094,0.0027731,-0.0018156,-6.96e-05,0.0087901,0.0024868,-0.0068883,-0.0090371,0.0022619
04-04-2021, 11:02 PM
gixajo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Erronkari

Estaba pensando que también es posible que la otra parte, la de Luzaide/Valcarlos me aleje un poquito del Valle del Roncal/Erronkari, porque a pesar de estar ambos casi sobre el Pirineo, el primero está en el extremo oriental casi pegando con Aragón, en cambio Luzaide se encuentra muy al Poniente, en el extremo opuesto.
Por lo visto saqué muy poco de vasco-francés aunque tiene sentido, ya que aunque hay una parte que viene de Mont de Marsan, los apellidos que vienen de ese lado, Foix y Cazenave no parecen muy vascones que digamos jeje.
Si bien los apellidos no siempre dicen mucho... vaya uno a saber.
Por cierto, hay un apellido que es Orzaocoa y no puedo vislumbrar de donde es que viene... tal vez sea la deformación de otro pero saber...

Pocas veces nos va a salir 100% del lugar de donde suponemos que nos debería dar, tu tendencia está clara que es de donde se supone que es.

Acabo de hacer este "proxy" con la media de zonas vascas de Navarra, la referencia Navarra del datasheet oficial, y la referencia vascoide del Norte de Aragón, a ver si te va bien:

Code:

Navarra,0.125397,0.147678,0.049400,0.004806,0.051055,0.000264,-0.001735,-0.000502,0.027031,0.039170,-0.004948,0.010627,-0.018619,-0.016807,0.014979,0.002858,-0.005206,0.002349,-0.002617,-0.001738,0.005902,0.001461,-0.006537,-0.004817,0.00234

Es muy norteña en comparación con la del datasheet oficial, pero creo que es más acertada , y menos norteña que las referencias del estudio, pero creo que será más representativa de la realidad Navarra que las referencias exclusivamente de zonas vascófonas tradicionales de ese estudio.
04-04-2021, 11:10 PM
Defcon2

Soy navarro:

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 4.6663% / 0.04666343
94.6 Navarra
5.4 Álava
04-04-2021, 11:32 PM
gixajo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Defcon2

Soy navarro:

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Si metes Bellotiland en las sources digo yo que ese 94% debería bajar bastante.

Code:

Extremadura,0.1050967,0.1499597,0.033061,-0.0011843,0.0409303,-0.0027887,-0.003995,-0.0010003,0.024679,0.031223,-0.0012993,0.0050453,-0.0106047,-0.012248,0.007555,0.0026077,-0.002347,-0.003294,-0.0064107,0.000417,0.0021213,-0.00474,-0.0014787,-0.0027713,0.0014373

Si meto Navarra y las tres provincias vascas en las sources, a mí me modela en buena parte como navarrico también, porque soy un mestizo difícil de precisar mi origen por medio de estas referencias de forma precisa, pero para mis padres siguen funcionando relativamente bien, mi madre se queda exactamente igual en todo (aunque sale 1/4 andaluza le marca bien el alavés):

Code:

Vizcaya,0.12524,0.14984,0.05337,0.01024,0.05277,0.00356,-0.00141,0.00227,0.02664,0.03842,-0.00652,0.01280,-0.02194,-0.01686,0.01310,0.00110,-0.00523,0.00231,-0.00100,-0.00199,0.00858,0.00060,-0.00622,-0.00647,0.00089 Álava,0.125599,0.148101,0.054389,0.008932,0.051660,0.000464,-0.001513,0.002484,0.024714,0.037927,-0.006911,0.009125,-0.020534,-0.013806,0.013660,0.000570,-0.006648,-0.000023,-0.001547,-0.003925,0.008386,0.001300,-0.004499,-0.004182,-0.000612 Guipúzcoa,0.131103,0.148914,0.055917,0.011731,0.055885,0.001585,-0.003183,0.000608,0.028327,0.041923,-0.005661,0.011322,-0.021495,-0.018629,0.015626,0.005406,-0.002857,0.001969,-0.001245,-0.003161,0.007929,0.000551,-0.010437,-0.010166,0.001660 Andalucia,0.1081318,0.1460759,0.0357074,-0.003434,0.0452553,-0.0058567,-0.0019295,0.0026598,0.0247151,0.0311624,-0.0021538,0.0072724,-0.0132072,-0.0114083,0.0102433,-0.0024984,-0.0061762,-0.0011002,-0.0042604,-0.0021325,0.0029291,-0.0013016,-0.0019719,-0.0053334,0.0018844 Navarra,0.125397,0.147678,0.049400,0.004806,0.051055,0.000264,-0.001735,-0.000502,0.027031,0.039170,-0.004948,0.010627,-0.018619,-0.016807,0.014979,0.002858,-0.005206,0.002349,-0.002617,-0.001738,0.005902,0.001461,-0.006537,-0.004817,0.00234

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.6655% / 0.01665480
46.2 Andalucia
40.8 Navarra
13.0 Álava

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.0665% / 0.02066514
92.4 Andalucia
7.6 Navarra

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 2.0299% / 0.02029856
74.0 Álava
26.0 Andalucia

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