Papua New Guinea holds that title at around 10,000 yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by Melonhead
Printable View
Papua New Guinea holds that title at around 10,000 yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by Melonhead
Is this the farming which no one but you recognizes as actual farming?Quote:
Originally Posted by KidMulat
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...riculture.html
Hmm, looks like they found residue of banana and tubers on tools. I am not sure that counts as solid evidence of farming. If it does, that means neanderthals were farmers.
But it's still interesting I guess. At least it's not the thing with acorns again.
LolQuote:
Originally Posted by Melonhead
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...riculture.html
Its been established for some time.
Like I said, if that's enough evidence, neanderthals invented farming 50k years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by KidMulat
Lol okay the equivalent to aboriculture and vegiculture found in Paleolithic Korea and Japan; the oldest example I know of people actually bring plants with them to grow would be 60k Australians who brought the BaobabQuote:
Originally Posted by Melonhead
http://www.uq.edu.au/nuq/jack/Boab%20Origins.html
It's funny everyone always just parrots that E1b and J are neolithic farmer DNA. They just pull that out of thin air. Well, this is every y-dna study done for neolithic (and some for other areas).Quote:
Paleolithic Siberian from Mal'ta [1 R*]
Mesolithic Europeans from Luxembourg and Sweden [2 I2a1b, 1 I2, 2 I]
Neolithic Spain [5 G2a, 1 E-V13]
Neolithic Ötzi from the Alps [G2a4]
Prehistoric South Siberians from Krasnoyarsk and here [10 R1a1, 1 C(xC3)]
Neolithic southwestern France from Treilles [20 G2a, 2 I2a]
Neolithic Megalithic France from la Pierre Fritte [2 I2a1]
Neolithic Bell Beaker from Kromsdorf Germany [2 R1b]
Prehistoric Paleo-Eskimo from Greenland [1 Q1a]
Neolithic Corded Ware Germans [3 related R1a]
Bronze Age Lichtenstein Cave in Germany [estimated presence I1b2*, R1a1, R1b1c]
Ancient Mongolian Xiongnu [1 R1a1]
New Kingdom Egyptian pharaoh Ramesses III [1 E1b1a]
Aboriginals from Canary Islands [E-M78, E-M81, J-M267, E-M33, I-M170, K-M9, P-M45, R-M269]
Late Antique Basques [4 I, 2 R1b3d, 19 R1(xR1a1), 2 R-M173]
Since there's both I and J in aboriginal canary islanders we can rule out the idea it came from neolithic farmers, especially since they are brother clades.
So where are they, exactly? We have ZERO J neolithic farmers. We have just one E-v13, which is among a bunch of G - since this is no doubt a seafaring med. culture this could easily be a slave.
We have quite a bit of I among neolithic farmers, though. So what does that say about any of this...? They could easily be the ones who invented farming in balkans before the G men started to arrive from the east. Especially since I seems to radiate out of the area where first known bronze tools have been recently found.
It's funny that there's so many giant assumptions based on where things are today and some intense wishful thinking brought on by nationalistic fantasies.
How can be proto-Germanic since it predates the existence of this liguistic group by many millenias?Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
They are saying it's what germans were before they learned german, but I don't think that is a very good conclusion. It mainly shows they don't really know history that well, a recurring theme for the people doing the genetic part of archaeology.Quote:
Originally Posted by Artek
Canarians are post Wet Period Saharan; they were farmers who sailed out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melonhead
Gofio is an old meal prepared with cultivated barley and they had domesticated goats.
Proto because exactly it's before the emergence of Germanic. But the current bearers in the Balkan bear closer resemblance to Scandinavians than to, say, Poles and Russians. There is a close relation between I in the Balkan and Scandinavia. It predates Germanic but is from the same source stock. Upper Paleolithic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Artek