Iranian GEDmatch kits

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Originally Posted by Myanthropologies

Just because you're too lazy to read the thread or study doesn't make it not true. Mainland India divides into 4 genetic clusters and amdamanese & nicobar islanders form a distinct 5th clade. If Indians truly had ancient onge/papuan admix, then they would have Australian denisovan ancestry. However, they have Siberian denisovan ancestry.


It's not onge

ASI is not once. Read my thread in my signature on India.

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ASI is can be modelled as a mix of Onge / Australoid and Caucasoid, nothing to discuss here. Even if it isn't Onge / Australoid its a Negroid related population mixed with Caucasoid to form ASI, it doesn't change much at all.

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Originally Posted by Hadouken

it is not (only) about pigmentation . the reason why many pakistanis dont pass as iranians (and even less as kurds) are the facial features

there are many kurds darker than some pakistanis

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yeah but you guys dont have very dark types that even NW South Asian have in abundance because of large dalit population. This Pakistani boy from Khanewal no west asian can look like him.

http://iufdocuments.org/images/NadeemShakeel.jpg

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Originally Posted by lameduck

iranian are significantly lighter than Pakis , its some Paki groups like Pashtun/Balochs/Dardics that have pull toward iranian. Difference between Pakistan and Iran is quite big despite being neighbouring countries simply because they belong to different civilizational zones with barrier of Balochistan Plateau in between. Kurds are even more lighter than average iranians.

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I agree with this, except Pashtuns aren't Pakistanis. They will obviously look like Iranians because they are an Eastern Iranian people.

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Originally Posted by lameduck

yeah but you guys dont have very dark types that even NW South Asian have in abundance because of large dalit population. This Pakistani boy from Khanewal no west asian can look like him.

http://iufdocuments.org/images/NadeemShakeel.jpg

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of course we are lighter but I meant that some pakistanis can be quite light and lighter than kurds but the facial features are often different still . and of course what is considered dark among us is not the same as what is considered dark in south asia . yes that man is a good example of course

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Originally Posted by Pahli

ASI is can be modelled as a mix of Onge / Australoid and Caucasoid, nothing to discuss here. Even if it isn't Onge / Australoid its a Negroid related population mixed with Caucasoid to form ASI, it doesn't change much at all.

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You're over interpreting ADMIXTURE and gedmatch calculators without understanding their limitations. You're also ignoring the content of new academic studies like the one mentioned in my thread.

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Originally Posted by Myanthropologies

I agree with this, except Pashtuns aren't Pakistanis. They will obviously look like Iranians because they are an Eastern Iranian people.

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Pakistani Pashtuns are Pakistanis they are quite close to ancient samples from swat. Also even Pashtuns are quite different from iranians on audna, but they defintily have pull toward iranians

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Originally Posted by lameduck

yeah but you guys dont have very dark types that even NW South Asian have in abundance because of large dalit population. This Pakistani boy from Khanewal no west asian can look like him.

http://iufdocuments.org/images/NadeemShakeel.jpg

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Most likely descendant of pre-Aryan Pakistanis, sample from Saidu Sharif;

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 S_Indian 67
2 Caucasian 21.58
3 E_Asian 2.41
4 Oceanian 2.28
5 Siberian 2.01
6 Amerindian 1.94
7 Wht_Nile_River 1.04
8 NE_European 0.91
9 Beringian 0.83

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tamil_Nadu_SC 3.73
2 Uttar_Pradesh_SC 4.31
3 Tharus 8.49
4 Sakilli 8.97
5 Kanjar 10.03

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Originally Posted by Pahli

Most likely descendant of pre-Aryan Pakistanis, sample from Saidu Sharif;

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 S_Indian 67
2 Caucasian 21.58
3 E_Asian 2.41
4 Oceanian 2.28
5 Siberian 2.01
6 Amerindian 1.94
7 Wht_Nile_River 1.04
8 NE_European 0.91
9 Beringian 0.83

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tamil_Nadu_SC 3.73
2 Uttar_Pradesh_SC 4.31
3 Tharus 8.49
4 Sakilli 8.97
5 Kanjar 10.03

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yeah these people are the real omnipresent population of South Asia.

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Originally Posted by Myanthropologies

You're over interpreting ADMIXTURE and gedmatch calculators without understanding their limitations. You're also ignoring the content of new academic studies like the one mentioned in my thread.

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It doesn't matter if we use Gedmatch or something else, you can even look at pictures of South Asians like Panjiyar or Velamas and make a conclusion that ASI derives from a mix of a Negroid and Caucasoid population, as it has been concluded genetically as well.

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Originally Posted by lameduck

Pakistani Pashtuns are Pakistanis they are quite close to ancient samples from swat. Also even Pashtuns are quite different from iranians on audna, but they defintily have pull toward iranians

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Actually that isn't true. It depends on the Iranians. Pashtuns on IBD have a significant sharing with Iranians, and even with ADMIXTURE, Caspian Iranians from Mazandaran come out genetically close to Afghan Pashtuns. There was a Caspian Iranian who used to post here who came out very genetically similar to Afghan Pashtuns.