Origin of E-V13

In all seriousness E-V13 is European. If you go back far enough we all descend from haplogroup A, which was a spear chucking fighter. Calling V13 African is just as stupid as calling R1b/R1a Mongolian. If you go back far enough R1 was a Siberian Asiatic. You wouldn't question the indo-european nature of their descendants either. The double standard is childish and only presides over racists. V13 had a pivotal role among Bronze Age Indo-European elite. It was also a central lineage of the paleo-balkan tribes, Greeks and Romans.

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Originally Posted by SuperDorian

Since when are Druze a mixed people?

Druze are something like the Gheg Albanians of Lebanon and you think these people are mixed....

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Good point. My Druze friend is the same clade of haplogroup T, found in the Neolithic Levant(Ain Ghazal).

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Originally Posted by Voskos

It most certainly originated in Eastern Africa and arrived to Europe through contact with Levantines from the mesolithic era onwards.Iirc the Druze themselves have a variant of E-V13.

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The Druze are Christians, and are most likely to be descended from either Syrian or Bactrian Greeks or Assyrians.

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Originally Posted by SuperDorian

Since when are Druze a mixed people?

Druze are something like the Gheg Albanians of Lebanon and you think these people are mixed....

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I’m just going by this single study. And I don’t know how they got their E-V13 just like I don’t know how Kurds got theirs. Maybe Anatolian Greeks???

https://www.nature.com/articles/srep35837

Either way what he said is bullshit. E did not arrive into Europe only via the Levant. It also did not arrive as late as the Mesolithic in the Levant but much much older than that. Natufian samples and earlier samples prove this.

Most of the experts who study E-V13 now think that it arrived from Mediterranean Sailors and fisherman from North Africa in the Mesolithic and even earlier. The earliest parent clade of E-V13 is found in Eastern Morocco. Not in Eastern Africa where there is no connection to E-V13

“Loosdrecht et al. (2018) analysed genome-wide data from seven ancient individuals from the Iberomaurusian Grotte des Pigeons site near Taforalt in eastern Morocco. The fossils were directly dated to between 15,100 and 13,900 calibrated years before present. The scientists found that all males belonged to haplogroup E1b1b, common among Afroasiatic males. The male specimens with sufficient nuclear DNA preservation belonged to the paternal haplogroup E1b1b1a1 (M78), with one skeleton bearing the E1b1b1a1b1 parent lineage to E-V13, one male specimen belonged to E1b1b (M215*). “

If this is all true E-V13 and it’s recent parent clades is the Native South European Haplogroup. And it stretched all the way from Spain to Eastern Greece and its Islands.
This pretty much coincides with the Pelasgian civilization that Greeks referenced.


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Didin't It came with the Natufians?

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Originally Posted by Daos777

Well the Natufians were around 40 percent haplogroup E and they are a pre-Mesolithic civilization so that wouldn’t make sense that it only arrived in the Levant during the Mesolithic. Also the formation of E itself did not happen in Africa, the split of DE happened in the Levant and a lot of E back migrated to Africa and who knows were else E people headed after the DE split.

There are some Mesolithic samples of parent clades of E-V13 in Europe but it was only arriving in the Levant at that time?

Also the Druze are a very mixed people comprised of Anatolians, Armenians, caucasians, and some Jews. Who knows were their E came from?


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These people barely have any E at all. So its all a mystery to me.

E for Ethiopian.

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Originally Posted by Creoda

E for Ethiopian.

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Yeah but you need to be in the cage. Dirty convict.

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Originally Posted by Creoda

E for Ethiopian.

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E is the oldest among modern European Haplogroups. So you should be calling me daddy because chronologically from Y Adam my haplo came first. Lmao


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Originally Posted by Creoda

E for Ethiopian.

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Interesting that E-V13 made it to the far reaches of northern European. Wonder how that happened?